Being fairly new Reno visitors (five trips in less than two years),
are there other casinos besides Atlantis and Peppermill that have
pretty decent bounceback cash marketing offers. My wife and I are
fairly low rollers (8 - 10k a day), and we seem to get VERY good
bounceback cash from the top two, but I just want to check out the
rest of the landscape.
Any user experiances with others is appreciated.
Mike
I double-checked my notes and determined that you are the one who
claimed a certain IGT video BJ game has a return over 100%. If that is
the case, then my advice would be bang away at more than $8K a day
since both Peppermill and Atlantis has these games in denominations as
high as $25 or more. Since you believe you have an edge over the game,
then not only would you make positive EV from your belief, but you will
generate huge amounts of bounce back from either of these places.
In effect, you kill two birds with one stone, especially if you and
your wife both attack these supposedly positive machines.
Good luck (to your bankroll!).
--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Aclin" <aclinml@...> wrote:
Being fairly new Reno visitors (five trips in less than two years),
are there other casinos besides Atlantis and Peppermill that have
pretty decent bounceback cash marketing offers. My wife and I are
fairly low rollers (8 - 10k a day), and we seem to get VERY good
bounceback cash from the top two, but I just want to check out the
rest of the landscape.
Which machines are these and where ? Is the edge only with card counting and playing multiple hands, or some other wizardry ?
I double-checked my notes and determined that you are the one who
claimed a certain IGT video BJ game has a return over 100%.
they are refering to the IGT blackjack game on the VP machines that
had a payout of 100.3% or so due to the paytable being set at 99.7%
(BJ pays 5for2, double down on 10 & 11, split aces, dealer stands on
soft 17), but there was a flaw in the chip that allowed a player to
split aces, and then if dealt another ace, split again.
Not only is is nearly impossible to find a Bj game set to pay 5 for 2
Which machines are these and where ? Is the edge only with card
counting and
on a BJ, I doubt if there is a machine out there with the old flawed chip. --- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "tomflush" <tomflush@...> wrote:
playing multiple hands, or some other wizardry ?
>
> I double-checked my notes and determined that you are the one who
> claimed a certain IGT video BJ game has a return over 100%.
Which machines are these and where ? Is the edge only with card
counting and
playing multiple hands, or some other wizardry ?
>
> I double-checked my notes and determined that you are the one who
> claimed a certain IGT video BJ game has a return over 100%.
Much of the stuff on the internet is just garbage based on some
faceless person.
Video blackjack isn't like video poker in that we have commercial
software that can cycle through every possible poker combination. In
blackjack, some of the hand decisions like splitting is an art form. I
always double checked the blackjack results based on Blackjack Attack
third edition and even those number were derived from combintorial math
versus brute force.
--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "tomflush" <tomflush@...> wrote:
Have you checked out the new 6 deck machines with the video dealer?
--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "William Canevari" <wcanevari@...>
wrote:
they are refering to the IGT blackjack game on the VP machines that
had a payout of 100.3% or so due to the paytable being set at 99.7%
(BJ pays 5for2, double down on 10 & 11, split aces, dealer stands on
soft 17), but there was a flaw in the chip that allowed a player to
split aces, and then if dealt another ace, split again.Not only is is nearly impossible to find a Bj game set to pay 5 for 2
on a BJ, I doubt if there is a machine out there with the old flawed chip. > > --- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "tomflush" <tomflush@> wrote:
>
> Which machines are these and where ? Is the edge only with card
counting and
> playing multiple hands, or some other wizardry ?
>
> >
> > I double-checked my notes and determined that you are the one who
> > claimed a certain IGT video BJ game has a return over 100%.
>
are you refering to the six seat game with the 96" screen?? The one
with several different alternating dealers?
I find them creapy when they are not being played, as the video dealer
looks into the camera and seems to scan the casino floor. Its
especially creepy when the dealer's eyes follow you as you walk by the
machine.
I havent played the game, as I am not a BJ player.
BTW, the nearly positive BJ game on the IGT machines at Atlantis was
removed and replaced with "Lion Fish" slot game. There were 2
machines by the Java Hut(black lung area)that still had the BJ with
the best paytable, but they were set for $100 per point instead of the
usual $40 per point. I doubt if they are still there.
--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
Have you checked out the new 6 deck machines with the video dealer?
--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "William Canevari" <wcanevari@>
wrote:
>
> they are refering to the IGT blackjack game on the VP machines that
> had a payout of 100.3% or so due to the paytable being set at 99.7%
> (BJ pays 5for2, double down on 10 & 11, split aces, dealer stands on
> soft 17), but there was a flaw in the chip that allowed a player to
> split aces, and then if dealt another ace, split again.
>
> Not only is is nearly impossible to find a Bj game set to pay 5 for 2
> on a BJ, I doubt if there is a machine out there with the old flawed > chip. > > > > --- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "tomflush" <tomflush@> wrote:
> >
> > Which machines are these and where ? Is the edge only with card
> counting and
> > playing multiple hands, or some other wizardry ?
> >
> > >
> > > I double-checked my notes and determined that you are the one who
> > > claimed a certain IGT video BJ game has a return over 100%.
> >
>
I checked the Atlantis inventory this afternoon while taking advantage
of a coupon for two free buffets........ there are still 2 IGT MG
machines that offer the 99.8% BJ game.... bad news is that it is only
offered in quarters, 10 coin max. They are located directly across
from the Java Hut, in an island of 4 machines, one on each side.
The BJ game is also ofered in 50 centrs and $1, but pays even money
for a BJ, this is 99.5%.
--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "William Canevari" <wcanevari@...>
wrote:
I checked the Atlantis inventory this afternoon while taking advantage
of a coupon for two free buffets........ there are still 2 IGT MG
machines that offer the 99.8% BJ game.... bad news is that it is only
offered in quarters, 10 coin max. They are located directly across
from the Java Hut, in an island of 4 machines, one on each side.The BJ game is also ofered in 50 centrs and $1, but pays even money
for a BJ, this is 99.5%.
I don't know where will canevari gets his numbers. Quite frankly, based
on a the few posts I read, a lot of things he writes about are just
wrong!! As a general rule, blackjack pays even money is a loss of
about 2.3% versus blackjack pays 5 for 2. It's not even close.
--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
Have you checked out the new 6 deck machines with the video dealer?
Reminds me of either Blackjack blitz or Shuffle Master's Table Master
(TM). Who is the manufacturer?
shufflemaster
http://www.luxist.com/2006/02/13/shuffle-master-electronic-blackjack/
--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "chungsterama" <chungsty@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@> wrote:
>
> Have you checked out the new 6 deck machines with the video dealer?
>Reminds me of either Blackjack blitz or Shuffle Master's Table Master
(TM). Who is the manufacturer?
--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "William Canevari"
<wcanevari@...> wrote:
they are refering to the IGT blackjack game on the VP machines that
had a payout of 100.3% or so due to the paytable being set at 99.7%
(BJ pays 5for2, double down on 10 & 11, split aces, dealer stands on
soft 17), but there was a flaw in the chip that allowed a player to
split aces, and then if dealt another ace, split again.
My sources got back to me on this game. First, (a) re-splitting aces
to four hands adds at MOST something like 4 basis points (0.04%) to
the return, (b) composition dependent hands -- excluding 6 card
autowinner -- added at most another 3 basis points (.03%), and (c)
the 6-card autowinner added another 5 basis points (.05%) at most.
That is at most 12 basis points (0.12%) in the player's favor.
By the way, the GAME was HIT SOFT 17, which is about 17 basis points
(0.17%) AGAINST the player. That H17 rule negated all the benefits
from the previous paragraph. Also, keep in mind there was no soft
doubling.
Lastly, the 99.7% return ALREADY included (a) the Double after split
on 10 and 11 and (b) split aces catch paint pays 5 for 2 that was
never stated as rules.
Basically, William Canevari is double counting some of the rules and
perpetuating an "urban legend." There was a WMS video blackjack that
had a return over 100% and many people have confused the IGT game
with the WMS game. People who kept detailed records knows WMS and
Bally's have a history of making mistakes in games. For example,
Bally's created a video poker game where a player could hit a royal
flush in as little as 12,000 hands (Bally's also made a mistake
calculating the return for Pick'em). WMS has so many mistakes when
it came to calculating returns in video poker -- Multi-Pay, Money
Fever, etc.