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Good Books About Video Poker???

#1

I believe I've blundered into some quite good books about video
poker, and here are the ones I have:

1. Scott, "Frugal Gambler"

2. Frome, "Winning Strategies for Video Poker"

3. Rubin, "Comp City"

4. Wong, "Professional Video Poker"

5. Dancer, "Million Dollar Video Poker"

This is the order in which these books have come to me. In fact, the
first 3 were in a single package, and #1 and #3 don't have as their
main topic video poker. With my limited exposure to video poker, I
view all of these books as very useful for those who would
periodically visit Las Vegas to play video poker (as I do!). Are they
good in an absolute sense? I'll let you decide.

A review of one source of books showed 639 books about video poker,
based on the search "video poker". These 639 books were sorted by
price, and their list has considerable duplication. The books listed
below are in order of price, to a limit of $3.00 base price. Here's
where I need your help. Which of these books would you grade very
highly (and if you have time), why?

1. Allen, "The Basics of Winning Video Poker"

2. Gollehon, "All About Slots and Video Poker"

3. Jensen, "Video Poker and Slots for the Winner"

4. "John Patrick's Video Poker"

5. Crevelt, "Video Poker Mania!!"

6. Malmuth, "Fundamentals of Video Poker"

7. Fleming, "Win at Video Poker"

8. Gerhardt, "Video Poker"

9. Gollehon, "Casino Games"

10. Nestor, "The Smarter Bet Guide to Slots and Video Poker"

11. Cardoza, "Secrets of Winning Video Poker"

12. Scoblete, "Victory at Video Poker"

13. Allen, "Basic Video Poker 4th Edition"

14. Mitchell, "Video Poker Made Easier"

15. Kizzire, "Video Poker Playing to Win"

16. Jenson, "Video Poker for the Winner"

These are, almost by definition, the older and more common books
about video poker. It required just over 70 books, in the total list
of 639 books, to discover these 16 titles. A guess is there are over
100, and probably more like 150 titles, in the total list. Of course,
the total list has newer, as well as more rare, books.

Which video poker books do you recommend?

Which of the 16 listed above would you recommend?

Which books, issued in year 2000 or before, are worth getting and
reading?

Which books, issued after year 2000, do you recommend?

Any other comments? Are books relevant to video poker? Strategy cards?

Thanks much!

Dave

#2

I believe you have the old, out-dated edition of "The Frugal Gambler" - red cover. There is a new edition out (green cover) that would be much more helpful to a beginning VP player in today's gambling climate. "More Frugal Gambling," the sequel, has not been out that long, so the information in that is very timely and goes into the many facets of successful VP play in much more detail, building on the foundation I gave in the first book.

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#3

4. "John Patrick's Video Poker"
6. Malmuth, "Fundamentals of Video Poker"

Which video poker books do you recommend?
Which of the 16 listed above would you recommend?

Any gambling book written by John Patrick should be burned...getting
warmth from the fire on a chilly night is the only conceivable benefit
one can get from any of his books.

Any book written or co-writtem by Mason Malmuth should be read, reread
and then read again.

God, I hate being so wishy-washy :slight_smile:

Don the Dentist

#4

Thanks!

I suspect the book you've mentioned isn't in the poker section at Borders, so I haven't seen it yet.

I've been picking up useful books for the No Limit Texas Hold'em that I aspire to, and for tournaments of the same. Of course, there are NL HE tournaments that cost as little as 11 cents to join, and these are on the internet. The way it works is a table is opened for a tournament, and as quickly as 9 people come together to fill that table, the tournament proceeds. First prize is 45 cents, second prize is 27 cents and third prize is 18 cents. Of course, this means the other 6 contestants are getting nothing but the education experience. But tournaments can be for $millions, as the World Series of Poker tournament, which happened in 2005 (Rio and Binion's for the finals, in Las Vegas), had a top prize of $7.5 million. Even 225th place had a prize of $10,000 (which was the entry amount for the 5,600 contestants). So NL HE poker is big, and yet it is small, as the 11 cents tourney suggests!

I'm putting more emphasis on buying books these days, and I aspire to having 100 useful poker books. By comparison, I wouldn't mind picking up a few inexpensive video poker books. Would a $1.00 video poker book be cheap? Not necessarily! If s/h costs $5 for it, the $6 total cost wouldn't be cheap! It might be a rather new, and very contemporary, video poker book would be a bargain at $12, because it fits video poker in 2006 and the $1 book didn't. That said, I believe there are a few CHEAP video poker books out there, and I need the help of others in discovering them. Presently I have my eyes on another Dancer book, but I'd like to be referred to other useful books about video poker. The Stanford Wong book is such a book, because Wong actually shows how the mathematics of progressives works for video poker. So I've gotten quite a bit out of it. But Jacks 8/5 progressives simply aren't contemporary video poker, so I'll need other books. Same thing for Frome's book; useful, necessary, but not sufficient (little math talk here).

So, I'm still trying to find the older classical video poker books, of which there are many. Which ones do you like?

Dave

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  I believe you have the old, out-dated edition of "The Frugal Gambler" - red
  cover. There is a new edition out (green cover) that would be much more
  helpful to a beginning VP player in today's gambling climate. "More Frugal
  Gambling," the sequel, has not been out that long, so the information in
  that is very timely and goes into the many facets of successful VP play in
  much more detail, building on the foundation I gave in the first book.
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#5

Strange you should feel as you do concerning Patrick, since I've just rejected bidding on an auction lot that included both his blackjack books! The only redeeming value for this group of 6 gambling books had been a book by Allen, which is #1 on my list above. Then too, I owned Patrick's 2 books about craps, bought years ago. In fact, I've gone very far with blackjack, but never again!

These days I've devoted much time to No Limit Texas Hold'em, and I envision a time in the future when I can go to Las Vegas and play video poker when NL HE games aren't available, paying for most trip expenses thru video poker generated comps, and making money playing NL HE. I think that combination would work, because one can get to an acceptable level of performance regarding video poker and then rest on your laurels, but I doubt if this is ever possible with NL HE.

Speaking of Mason Malmuth, I own 7 books written by him. The first 4 were written by him solely, and the others with coauthors: "Poker Essays," "Poker Essays, Vol 2," "Poker Essays, Vol 3,", "Winning Concepts in Draw and Lowball," "Fundamentals of Poker," "Small Stakes Hold'em," and "Hold'em Poker for Advanced Players." Of course, he owns the poker publishing company Two Plus Two Publishing, and I own at least a dozen other books produced by his company. He is one who single-handedly has created a much higher standard of excellent regarding poker. I'm a member of the 2+2 chatroom, along with about 35,000 others.

Do you have video poker books that you can recommend for one such as me?

Dave

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  From: dds2124
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  >
  > 4. "John Patrick's Video Poker"
  > 6. Malmuth, "Fundamentals of Video Poker"

  > Which video poker books do you recommend?
  > Which of the 16 listed above would you recommend?

  Any gambling book written by John Patrick should be burned...getting
  warmth from the fire on a chilly night is the only conceivable benefit
  one can get from any of his books.

  Any book written or co-writtem by Mason Malmuth should be read, reread
  and then read again.

  God, I hate being so wishy-washy :slight_smile:

  Don the Dentist

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#6

One that you have omitted from your top picks that should definitely be
included is Video Poker-Optimum Play by Dan Paymer, which is available here:
http://img132.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24?=66d7e_bscap004.jpg

Most of the authors of your sweet 16 I have never heard of, However a few
comments. Mason Malmuth is a well respected live poker and blackjack
writer and his writings will certainly be accurate. On the other hand, if
someone were to pay me $3.00 to read an offering regarding the proper method
of crossing a street in a crosswalk that was penned by John Patrick, I would
have to pass. Frank Scoblete is a paycheck writer. If there is a check in
it, he will write it. Whether he knows the subject matter or not is
immaterial. Just my opinions.

Are books relevant to video poker?

I would give this one a whirl, but I'm not quite sure that I understand the
question.
                                     Nudge

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From: "Dave Kitzinger" <dkitzinger1@comcast.net>
Subject: [vpFREE] Good Books About Video Poker???

#7

For detailed instruction about individual games, there's no better
source than the Dancer/Daily Winner's Guide series.

For the juiciest video poker novel, try "Sex, Lies, and Video Poker". In
one month's time, the sequel "More Sex, Lies, and Video Poker" will be
available.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

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#8

From: "Dave Kitzinger" <dkitzinger1@c...>
Subject: [vpFREE] Good Books About Video Poker???

One that you have omitted from your top picks that should definitely

be included is Video Poker-Optimum Play by Dan Paymer, which is
available here:

http://img132.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24?=66d7e_bscap004.jpg

Although not mentioned, do not purchase Powerful Profits at Video
Poker, by Victor Royer (2003). It is loaded with misleading and
erroneous information, with a ton of bad advice for a VP newby.

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#9

Dave Kitzinger <dkitzinger1@comcast.net> wrote: >Which video poker books do you recommend?

Which of the 16 listed above would you recommend?

Which books, issued after year 2000, do you recommend?

Any other comments? Are books relevant to video poker? Strategy cards?

Good reads are:
      Scott (get the updated version)
      Dancer (entertaining)
      From,Wong, Malmuth (to learn how to play. oldies but goodies)
    Add:
      Dan Paymar "Optimum Video Poker" (to learn how to win over the long term using easier to learn strategies. Includes strategies to my 3 favorite VP games)
   
  Forget:
       Patrick & Scoblete (I wasted money buying their craps books way back)
  
Bob

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#10

I agree 100% with the learned Dentist! I couldn't believe it when, a
few years ago, Casino Player Magazine actually gave Patrick's tapes as
a "bonus" for subscribing.

Now tell me, what is your wishy-washy opinion of Victor Royer?

I actually think he's worse than Patrick.

-Babe-

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dds2124" <dds6@c...wrote:

Any gambling book written by John Patrick should be burned...getting
warmth from the fire on a chilly night is the only conceivable
benefit one can get from any of his books.

Any book written or co-writtem by Mason Malmuth should be read, reread
and then read again.

God, I hate being so wishy-washy :slight_smile:

Don the Dentist

#11

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@y...>
wrote:

I agree 100% with the learned Dentist! I couldn't believe it when,

a few years ago, Casino Player Magazine actually gave Patrick's tapes
as a "bonus" for subscribing.

Now tell me, what is your wishy-washy opinion of Victor Royer?

I actually think he's worse than Patrick.

-Babe-

Sorry Babe, I'm not familiar with Victor Royer's works...I will defer
to your opinion, which I'm sure, is correct...for an author to be worse
than John Patrick...wow...that says a lot!!

Don the Dentist

#12

The book Paymar, "Video Poker - Optimum Play" has come up before on
the chatroom. So I'd had a chance to read about it in some depth. But
your post prompted me to get real about buying it. My philosophy
about very recent books is to wait until they get affordable. With
poker, TV has brought so very many new players into it that it has
prompted 50 or more new poker books in 2005 alone. Said another way,
there might have been in existence 250 poker books, and last year an
additional 20% were added. And they weren't just any old poker books,
either. There might be a dozen "must read" poker books that were
created in this single prolific year for authors. Yet, and here's the
surprising part, today quite a few of the 2005 books are available in
secondary marketplaces for prices often below half of the original
list price (the one written on the book). So my strategy of patiently
waiting for the price of books to reach low enough to satisfy me has
paid off very nicely!

So I went to a place that has nearly 100 million books, an internet
site. I found quite a number of the Paymar books available there. The
lowest price I found, including shipping, was about $16.50. I then
went to eBay and found a copy where I could Buy It Now (BIN) for just
$6.99, and with $2.85 charged for shipping/handling (s/h) I had a
successful purchase at $9.84. Now it's just a matter of time, and
I'll own the Paymar book. Thanks!!!

The list of 16 is not the list of books I want to buy. They are the
cheapest books about video poker I know of, with none priced over
$3.00 at wholesale. Among them are old classics. A library on video
poker should have representative early books! Why? To gather in an
appreciation of where this game has been, if for no other reason. One
needs to know what the casino industry did concerning video poker in
the "old" days, to form an opinion of what they'll be doing 10 years
from now. Well, there are contributors to this chatroom who were
actually playing video poker 25 years ago, and they tell about it.
But owning a video poker authored in 1988, like the book I own
written by Stanford Wong, is like being there... In fact, since his
book is a summary of magazine articles he'd written years before
that, you get a real understanding of the "good, old days."

Then too, video poker is recreational for most players, rather than a
money-maker. That's the way it will be for me. After all, we're often
sitting at a machine attempting to capture a long-term edge of just
0.2% (0.002) on money bet. On this basis it means for each $500 run
thru the machine (handle) one gets back $1.00. Generally speaking,
you have to have had your share of winning pairs, 2-pairs, trips,
straights, flushes, full-houses, quads, straight flushes and royal
flushes to get that single one dollar ($1) back, which constitutes
your long-term edge. So certainly recreation is more important than
profits, eh? But recreation is facilitated by owning some of the
grand old books of video poker. At present I've blundered into owning
some of the grand old books of ordinary poker, and that is a nice
feeling! In addition to learning poker, I want to get a super
library, and this includes a number of the poker treasure books. In
fact, if you have a library of poker books or video poker books to
sell, you couldn't do better than contact me.

Dave

From: "Dave Kitzinger" <dkitzinger1@c...>
Subject: [vpFREE] Good Books About Video Poker???

One that you have omitted from your top picks that should

definitely be

included is Video Poker-Optimum Play by Dan Paymer, which is

available here:

http://img132.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24?=66d7e_bscap004.jpg

Most of the authors of your sweet 16 I have never heard of, However

a few

comments. Mason Malmuth is a well respected live poker and

blackjack

writer and his writings will certainly be accurate. On the other

hand, if

someone were to pay me $3.00 to read an offering regarding the

proper method

of crossing a street in a crosswalk that was penned by John

Patrick, I would

have to pass. Frank Scoblete is a paycheck writer. If there is a

check in

it, he will write it. Whether he knows the subject matter or not is
immaterial. Just my opinions.

> Are books relevant to video poker?

I would give this one a whirl, but I'm not quite sure that I

understand the

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question.
                                     Nudge

#13

I own your "Million Dollar Video Poker" book, and view it as
essential reading. I've read only 68 pages, and have found several
solutions that are worth the price of the book. Because of this book
I'm attempting to find a copy of your second book (cheap!).

Congratulations for writing these fine books!

Dave

For detailed instruction about individual games, there's no better
source than the Dancer/Daily Winner's Guide series.

For the juiciest video poker novel, try "Sex, Lies, and Video

Poker". In

one month's time, the sequel "More Sex, Lies, and Video Poker" will

be

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available.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

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#14

I've bought Paymar's book! I hope I remember, and follow your advice
about the other book. Thanks!!!

Dave

>
>
> From: "Dave Kitzinger" <dkitzinger1@c...>
> Subject: [vpFREE] Good Books About Video Poker???
>
> One that you have omitted from your top picks that should

definitely

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "brumar_lv" <brumar_lv@y...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nudge51" <nudge51@c...> wrote:
be included is Video Poker-Optimum Play by Dan Paymer, which is
available here:
> http://img132.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24?=66d7e_bscap004.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Although not mentioned, do not purchase Powerful Profits at Video
Poker, by Victor Royer (2003). It is loaded with misleading and
erroneous information, with a ton of bad advice for a VP newby.

#15

Thanks for the detailed recommendations!

Dave

Dave Kitzinger <dkitzinger1@c...> wrote: >Which video poker

books do you recommend?

>Which of the 16 listed above would you recommend?

>Which books, issued after year 2000, do you recommend?

>Any other comments? Are books relevant to video poker? Strategy

cards?

Good reads are:
      Scott (get the updated version)
      Dancer (entertaining)
      From,Wong, Malmuth (to learn how to play. oldies but goodies)
    Add:
      Dan Paymar "Optimum Video Poker" (to learn how to win over

the long term using easier to learn strategies. Includes strategies
to my 3 favorite VP games)

   
  Forget:
       Patrick & Scoblete (I wasted money buying their craps books

way back)

  
Bob

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#16

Which books, issued in year 2000 or before, are worth getting and
reading?

Which books, issued after year 2000, do you recommend?

Any other comments? Are books relevant to video poker? Strategy

cards?

I highly recommend Dan Paymar's "Video Poker - Optimum Play"

http://www.advantageplayer.com/videopoker/index.html?optimumplay

I like his strategy cards too.

#17

Dan Paymar's Video Poker-Optimum Play is the best book ever written
on video poker. It's packed with information. For individual games
the Dancer/Daily books are the best. For an advanced player the
rest is all junk. Incidentally, I was playing 10/20 Omaha Hi-Lo
with John Patrick on Poker Stars last night. He's not much of an
Omaha player either.

> Which books, issued in year 2000 or before, are worth getting

and

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pasarese" <pdasarese@a...> wrote:

> reading?
>
> Which books, issued after year 2000, do you recommend?
>
> Any other comments? Are books relevant to video poker? Strategy
cards?

I highly recommend Dan Paymar's "Video Poker - Optimum Play"

http://www.advantageplayer.com/videopoker/index.html?optimumplay

I like his strategy cards too.

#18

Excellent, and Thank You!

I've bought the Paymar book now, and await delivery. I'm guessing your recommendation concerning all other books is that these serve only the useful purpose of making one more knowledgeable about the history of the game etc. They're less than useful for learning how to play video poker, right?

Dave

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  From: mickeycrimm
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 6:30 AM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Good Books About Video Poker???

  Dan Paymar's Video Poker-Optimum Play is the best book ever written
  on video poker. It's packed with information. For individual games
  the Dancer/Daily books are the best. For an advanced player the
  rest is all junk. Incidentally, I was playing 10/20 Omaha Hi-Lo
  with John Patrick on Poker Stars last night. He's not much of an
  Omaha player either.

  --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pasarese" <pdasarese@a...> wrote:
  >
  > > Which books, issued in year 2000 or before, are worth getting
  and
  > > reading?
  > >
  > > Which books, issued after year 2000, do you recommend?
  > >
  > > Any other comments? Are books relevant to video poker? Strategy
  > cards?
  >
  > I highly recommend Dan Paymar's "Video Poker - Optimum Play"
  >
  > http://www.advantageplayer.com/videopoker/index.html?optimumplay
  >
  > I like his strategy cards too.
  >

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#19

I actually made a mistake here. I failed to mention Dan's other
books. The best of Video Poker Times and The best of Video Poker
Times II. I think they are one book now called All the Best of
Video Poker Times. This is certainly not junk. They are a
collection of his best articles in his newsletter. Optimum Play
used to be called Precision Play. I started 10 years ago with it
and his first Best of Video Poker Times and took off like a rocket.

I first started reading Lenny Frome in the early nineties, but the
equipment he used to analyze games is way obsolete now. If you
stick with Dan's books, the Dancer/Daily books, Million Dollar Video
Poker (gives an understanding of how a top notch VP player ties in
cashback and other benefits to a video poker payscale), throw in
some Jean Scott to get an overall picture of working comp systems,
drawings, etc., plus the software (Stratgy Master, Frugal VP,
Winpoker, Optimum Play (they each have functions the others don't),
Lots of Burning the Midnight Oil, and you are 99.44% there. Good
Luck!

P.S. Dwight Crevelt's book "Video Poker Mania", a cheap little
$5.00 book probably has the best history of video poker. His VP
strategy is pure junk though.

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wrote:

Excellent, and Thank You!

I've bought the Paymar book now, and await delivery. I'm guessing

your recommendation concerning all other books is that these serve
only the useful purpose of making one more knowledgeable about the
history of the game etc. They're less than useful for learning how
to play video poker, right?

Dave

  From: mickeycrimm
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 6:30 AM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Good Books About Video Poker???

  Dan Paymar's Video Poker-Optimum Play is the best book ever

written

  on video poker. It's packed with information. For individual

games

  the Dancer/Daily books are the best. For an advanced player the
  rest is all junk. Incidentally, I was playing 10/20 Omaha Hi-Lo
  with John Patrick on Poker Stars last night. He's not much of

an

  Omaha player either.

  >
  > > Which books, issued in year 2000 or before, are worth

getting

  and
  > > reading?
  > >
  > > Which books, issued after year 2000, do you recommend?
  > >
  > > Any other comments? Are books relevant to video poker?

Strategy

  > cards?
  >
  > I highly recommend Dan Paymar's "Video Poker - Optimum Play"
  >
  > http://www.advantageplayer.com/videopoker/index.html?

optimumplay

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I suspect I'll have jumped into my car for the drive to Las Vegas long before I'm actually ready to play video poker! It's the story of my life...

You've identified an enormous number of tasks needed before one can take credit for being a true video poker novice, don't you think? I'm not being cynical, just fumbling with words, in an attempt at getting at a reasonable trajectory leading to successful visits to Las Vegas. What would be a successful first visit, after all? I define it as having a couple of competing offers for free rooms arriving in the mail, within a month of getting back home. I remember my first Stardust offer of free rooms. They gave me the nights and a show. I hadn't been to a show in many years, and it was VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.

I don't think it will be so hard to find a Jacks 9/6 machine, and play a couple of hours at it (quarters). I'd expect to play optimum, not perfect. Having no video poker software at all, I've already practiced Jacks 9/6 on the internet, and I know I can get fast and optimum, even without a strategy card. Frome has a recommendation for this, after all. A nice chat with the casino slots host, together with playing enough video poker to fetch an offer of free rooms, and I'm done with offer #1. I still think staying at a different casino every night, for my first trip only, and then developing that casino for a free trip offer, is a decent strategy.

The entire list of resources and tasks you've mentioned is necessary, in the long haul. But for a first trip I'm thinking having Jean Scott's software, practicing with it, having optimum strategies for 2 or 3 games, and then embark. I'm 68 years old; I don't have 68 more years to get to playing video poker!

Your list of resources for the video poker player is excellent, and probably sufficient to take a person all the way to video poker expert status. Of course, one would be expert only if they'd mastered all of the ideas implicit within each resource. If I had the respect for the difficulty of video poker that I have for ordinary no limit hold'em poker, I could resist running off to Las Vegas prematurely.

Thanks for the comprehensive help!

Dave

PS: Would reestablishing credit lines I've had in the past at downtown casinos provide assistance towards my objective of getting established as a video poker player?

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----- Original Message -----
  From: mickeycrimm
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 4:58 PM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Good Books About Video Poker???

  I actually made a mistake here. I failed to mention Dan's other
  books. The best of Video Poker Times and The best of Video Poker
  Times II. I think they are one book now called All the Best of
  Video Poker Times. This is certainly not junk. They are a
  collection of his best articles in his newsletter. Optimum Play
  used to be called Precision Play. I started 10 years ago with it
  and his first Best of Video Poker Times and took off like a rocket.

  I first started reading Lenny Frome in the early nineties, but the
  equipment he used to analyze games is way obsolete now. If you
  stick with Dan's books, the Dancer/Daily books, Million Dollar Video
  Poker (gives an understanding of how a top notch VP player ties in
  cashback and other benefits to a video poker payscale), throw in
  some Jean Scott to get an overall picture of working comp systems,
  drawings, etc., plus the software (Stratgy Master, Frugal VP,
  Winpoker, Optimum Play (they each have functions the others don't),
  Lots of Burning the Midnight Oil, and you are 99.44% there. Good
  Luck!

  P.S. Dwight Crevelt's book "Video Poker Mania", a cheap little
  $5.00 book probably has the best history of video poker. His VP
  strategy is pure junk though.

  --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "David Kitzinger" <dkitzinger1@c...>
  wrote:
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  > Excellent, and Thank You!
  >
  > I've bought the Paymar book now, and await delivery. I'm guessing
  your recommendation concerning all other books is that these serve
  only the useful purpose of making one more knowledgeable about the
  history of the game etc. They're less than useful for learning how
  to play video poker, right?
  >
  > Dave
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: mickeycrimm
  > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 6:30 AM
  > Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Good Books About Video Poker???
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  > Dan Paymar's Video Poker-Optimum Play is the best book ever
  written
  > on video poker. It's packed with information. For individual
  games
  > the Dancer/Daily books are the best. For an advanced player the
  > rest is all junk. Incidentally, I was playing 10/20 Omaha Hi-Lo
  > with John Patrick on Poker Stars last night. He's not much of
  an
  > Omaha player either.
  >
  >
  > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pasarese" <pdasarese@a...> wrote:
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  > > > Which books, issued in year 2000 or before, are worth
  getting
  > and
  > > > reading?
  > > >
  > > > Which books, issued after year 2000, do you recommend?
  > > >
  > > > Any other comments? Are books relevant to video poker?
  Strategy
  > > cards?
  > >
  > > I highly recommend Dan Paymar's "Video Poker - Optimum Play"
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  > > http://www.advantageplayer.com/videopoker/index.html?
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  > > I like his strategy cards too.
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