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Getting Overcomped at CET.

#1

I’ve followed with interest a thread on another gambling forum about being overcomped by CET. Is that even possible? Apparently so for at least a one player. One of the benefits of making 7 Stars is it qualifies you to be comped up to 4 nights a week at any CET property for two years. If a person were to actually take advantage of this then we are talking 400 comp days. And you don’t go through a host to book the rooms. You call an 800 number.

The main person exploiting this loophole always qualifies himself for 7 Stars every year so then we are talking about up to 200 comped days per year. He’s a tournament poker player and uses the comped rooms to defray his expenses. In just one example he spends 23 days a year at the Rio during the WSOP…all comped. Then there are the other tournaments he plays.

He has a pretty good modus operandi. There are some places left in the country where there are 9/6 Jacks and it’s just $10 per tier credit. To get to 7 Stars status he plays for ten days, running 5000 TC’s per day. When you run 5000 TC’s in one day you get a 10,000 TC bonus. After ten days he has run 50,000 TC’s but is credited with 150,000 TC’s which is what it takes to gain 7 Stars status. Once he gains 7 Stars status he quits playing for the year.

So he is running a $500,000 wager. With the 9/6 Jacks you are taking .46% theoretical loss. So his theoretical cost to get to 7 Stars is $2300. What I don’t know so far is if freeplay is also a part of the equation. If it is then his cost is cut even further.

I like his idea. And I’ve done some imagining about whether it would behoove a video poker pro to do the same thing. I think it depends. If a vp pro had advantage plays around the country that he could run a circuit on…and didn’t want to run too much comp on those properties so as not to wear out his welcome…then staying at a CET property nearby would be a good idea.

Am I going to do anything like this? No. I’m quite happy in my little Montana home. But I always love observing how other pros do things.

#2

If a Seven Stars member lived in Las Vegas and wanted to deal with the checking guests into rooms, one could probably make a pretty good profit selling the rooms too. Warning: dark gray area! I’ve never done this, but give the rooms to visiting guests and local friends all the time. I do try to plan it around a play day so as not to totally kill my ADT however.

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#3

Darryl McEwen did a story about a low stakes player that basically was 7* to eat and drink all day for free and never tipped.

For a short bit AC had 10X pts on Thursdays not during the summer at CZR properties.

#4

Mickey C

7 Star was always good. Often thought of changing to Harrahs (CET).

This has always been the plan, play 9/6 JOB or GOOD progressives. . For years my Taj comp mail gave 3 anytime nights suite. Good for 10 stays. Wife and I had separate accounts. She got 3 nites and so did I. Taj was so liberal I’d get one or two bedroom suites, depending on who wanted to go “to the beach” with me. Always at least one gourmet dinner for whole family. Always RFB. New Years Eve same treatment. Of course, white table cloth joints were comped on written comp ticket. Entertainment too. As you know, playing $5 or $2 9/6 JOB can net a lot of comp power in short time. In years gone by Taj didn’t have a “comp” account like now. Even up to closing and last management at Taj the host able to give generous comps on player history. But, you had to be bankrolled enough to score lots of play. Those days are gone. Too tight with comps.

My most memorable time at Taj. About 12-13 years ago, my wife, daughter, son-in-law, 2 grandkids were eating at Mark Anthony’s at Trump Taj AC. 6 of us next to a table about 12 people eating. In the group was Donald Trump. Didn’t think much of it because he was often in the eating places, fancy or buffet. As Trump table left, he walks over to my granddaughter in high chair. He talked to her with usual baby talk and called Melania over and they spent 5-10 minutes or so playing with baby. They interacted with our group, nice people. I believe Trump was just dating Melania at that time. Reason it’s memorable, I have been telling my granddaughter she knows Trump. So…WIN LOSE or DRAW she either knows a president or a celebrity.

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My most memorable wins. Win stories higher rank than Trump story, Stardust 7 Royals less than 24 hours. $25,000 2 day free slot tournament at Taj.

Last one. Resorts AC, $23 thousand $300 odd dollars. on 3 coin $5 Double Joker. Memorable because the odd $ was like $23,326 on meter. Video jackpot displayed $23,330. House paid me smaller amount.

I wanted the $4 they owed me, just like display. They said I had to ask the daytime people, therefore they were not going to pay me till tomorrow. I decided to take the cash and take the $4 hit. My wife mad that

I mentioned it. But, what can I say?

Have a good day, Jeep

#5

Although you could do what you outline below, I see three barriers to overcome.

First, there are very few 9/6 JOB machines that give a point for $10 in. And I feel they will be gone any day.

Second, Seven Stars is by invitation and I do know people who have not gotten the invitation. So you may be able to do this for one year but if you take advantage of the free room offer too much, with the way Caesars is cutting back on offers to people
who are overcomped recently, I feel confident there will be no more Seven Stars invitations for a person who tries this.

And third, even though it is theoretical loss of $2500 or a bit less taking everything into consideration, we all know that a potential loss on the coin-in could easily be $10,000 - $20,000.

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Subject: [vpFREE] Getting Overcomped at CET.

I’ve followed with interest a thread on another gambling forum about being overcomped by CET. Is that even possible? Apparently so for at least a one player. One of the benefits of making 7 Stars is it qualifies you to be comped up to 4 nights a week at
any CET property for two years. If a person were to actually take advantage of this then we are talking 400 comp days. And you don’t go through a host to book the rooms. You call an 800 number.

The main person exploiting this loophole always qualifies himself for 7 Stars every year so then we are talking about up to 200 comped days per year. He’s a tournament poker player and uses the comped rooms to defray his expenses. In just one example he spends
23 days a year at the Rio during the WSOP…all comped. Then there are the other tournaments he plays.

He has a pretty good modus operandi. There are some places left in the country where there are 9/6 Jacks and it’s just $10 per tier credit. To get to 7 Stars status he plays for ten days, running 5000 TC’s per day. When you run 5000 TC’s in one day you get
a 10,000 TC bonus. After ten days he has run 50,000 TC’s but is credited with 150,000 TC’s which is what it takes to gain 7 Stars status. Once he gains 7 Stars status he quits playing for the year.

So he is running a $500,000 wager. With the 9/6 Jacks you are taking .46% theoretical loss. So his theoretical cost to get to 7 Stars is $2300. What I don’t know so far is if freeplay is also a part of the equation. If it is then his cost is cut even further.

I like his idea. And I’ve done some imagining about whether it would behoove a video poker pro to do the same thing. I think it depends. If a vp pro had advantage plays around the country that he could run a circuit on…and didn’t want to run too much
comp on those properties so as not to wear out his welcome…then staying at a CET property nearby would be a good idea.

Am I going to do anything like this? No. I’m quite happy in my little Montana home. But I always love observing how other pros do things.

#6

Yes, there is a gamble to it. If you discount out the royal then the theoretical loss would be $12,000. i just picked up on something in one of Dan Druff’s (the person working this play) posts. He says he lost money doing it in 2013 and won money in 2015. That means he’s only running the action every two years.

He once said that he doesn’t know how much longer it will last but feels like CET knows about players like him and puts up with it because they make so much money off 7 Stars players anyway.

Another thing is the $50,000 wager in five hours. He couldn’t do this on $1 single line. He’s either playing $5 single line or $1 Triple Play or Five Play.

A person by the name of lucky jumped into the thread and says he qualified for 7 Stars, quit playing, but has been spending 4 days a week at a CET property in Atlantic City for several months now and taking his meals in the Diamond Lounge. LOL!

#7

Well compared to poker players, VP players have it good. What is also not mentioned is does this guy eat or drink in the off hours. If he is paying to eat at the property or goes to a club after the tournament that gets thrown into the mix too. I doubt he is eating home brought cheese sandwiches and the 50000 TC he would have earned to make 7* does not last forever. So there might be another factor in the equation.

#8

“Darryl McEwen did a story about a low stakes player that basically was 7* to eat and drink all day for free and never tipped.”

Link?

#9

Mickey wrote: “A person by the name of lucky jumped into the thread and says he qualified for 7 Stars, quit playing, but has been spending 4 days a week
at a CET property in Atlantic City for several months now and taking his meals in the Diamond Lounge. LOL!”

The AC Diamond and 7 Stars lounges are pretty sweet. Hardly a reason to eat elsewhere. CET lounges vary widely across the country, from really swank to basically dive bars with chips damp with stale beer.