Wiz - Powerful comments. In particular, I note your bullet:
"...when there's significant risk that other players
will be discouraged from play once the news starts to leak out that "Atlantis doesn't like winners...".
I agree and also maybe "news starting to leak out" could also help astute Atlantis Hosts other Staff educate "Casino Seniors."
If I was a host I'd put this in my pocket and at the right time bring it up at staff meeting on how to get "our money back."
Right times include such as a change of senior mgmt and your new "boss is NOT like your old boss." That may take a long time or happen tomorrow. Maybe a host will get promoted into senior management.
Like I said before, Atlantis must be doing something right from the crowds we always saw when visiting and our friends comments.
Maybe there was a relatively recent change in Atlantis management because I think this started about 2 years ago and that's when we stopped playing the bartop progressive. I think that's about when I stopped serious drinking and gambling at same time.
Still would like to hear from moneytalk what HAL told him about casino execs talk.
Atlantis wiki is interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis_Casino_Resort
Stock info:
Monarch Casino & Resort, Inc. -NASDAQ (Just holding it's own since the 2007 bankster fiasco.
They bought a joint in Colorado few years ago. That's their only other casino and have not had others for decades. That must make it interesting in Monarch's mahogany walled offices.
Over the long term Darwin's theory holds and running a casino is no place to discard the math (including the bell curve). Casino mgmt should not be praying to the gambling Gods.
This isn't a larry niven book with Teela Brown:
"...Teela Brown, a ditzy dame with a charmed life, whose never known pain or loss...."
Very good post. I liked the thin margin game quote. Might give you solace to know that we have for many years be mixing in a few percent slot machine action when we gamble in order to be reduce no-mail concerns. That didn't work to well for us at Atlantis:-)
The good news is old las vegas hilton no-mailed us last year and just sent $200/month. And for heaven's sake, just got an offer for free room at Green Valley after no-mail'd beginning of this year. Want us back!
It's a start. One of my friends got no-mail'd last year from Atlantis and started to get (very limited) room offers! (My arms are starting to itch thinking about multistrike super time pay and my bankroll has been replenished. Lighting the altar incense right now.
Dave in Boston
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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@...> wrote:
I think the discussion of HAL-like intelligent gaming equipment at Atlantis, as well as suggestions that posting here drew unwanted attention, is way off the mark.
The truth at Atlantis is simply that they don't expect players to walk with significant winnings, and to do so is an invitation to be no-mailed.
In my case, they let me come back after my first visit, in which I hit the Jacks progressive for $6K and gave back $2K during my trip. When I hit again for just over $4K on my second trip, and despite aggressive play, gave back just $1K (netting $7K from the two visits), my host alerted me to the fact that my mail was discontinued.
When I consider that experience against that of this last weekend in Tunica (where I lost $5800 against $110K of play -- mostly 9/6 JB, in miserable play ... $4500 loss after netting FP), I consider the no-mail experience simply laughable.
The other thing that's laughable, is that an aggressive player at Atlantis has, at best, a break-even expectation -- the offers just aren't that juicy. I can't fathom why they would take aggressive adverse action against someone who walks with a bit of cash when it's quite possible the player is a profitable prospect and just a little lucky; and when there's significant risk that other players will be discouraged from play once the news starts to leak out that "Atlantis doesn't like winners".
btw, I'm not discounting the fact that once my winnings drew attention, the fact that I restricted play to thin-margin games was a factor. I'm just saying that there wasn't any rocket science involved that flagged my play in advance of walking with a few thousand.