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Gambling With an Edge Feb 17th

#1

The chairman of the Gaming Commission has rescheduled for our March 3rd show, but has agreed to do a long interview. Don't miss that one.

For tonight we'll be focusing on the occupational hazards of video poker play. We have three doctors on from three different fields. It should be very informative.

We'll also be talking about VP training techniques and error types and answering email question.

7:00 PM on KLAV am1230 or archived at www.progressivevp.com & www.bobdancer.com.

To CALL in LIVE during the show for the giveaways the Numbers are:
(702) 731-1230 & 1-(866) 820-5528

Sincerely,

Frank Kneeland

#2

I've torn the top tendon off my middle finger removing my bathing suit. And the Orthopedic Surgeon said it's probably caused by too much banging the buttons on Video Poker games.

James Thompson
Former HRH casino monitro

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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: frank@progressivevp.com
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:24:08 +0000
Subject: [vpFREE] Gambling With an Edge Feb 17th

      The chairman of the Gami

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#3

Frank-when are you having the cocktail waitress?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:

The chairman of the Gaming Commission has rescheduled for our March 3rd show, but has agreed to do a long interview. Don't miss that one.

For tonight we'll be focusing on the occupational hazards of video poker play. We have three doctors on from three different fields. It should be very informative.

We'll also be talking about VP training techniques and error types and answering email question.

7:00 PM on KLAV am1230 or archived at www.progressivevp.com & www.bobdancer.com.

To CALL in LIVE during the show for the giveaways the Numbers are:
(702) 731-1230 & 1-(866) 820-5528

Sincerely,

Frank Kneeland

#4

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote: Frank-when are you having the cocktail waitress?

I asked the palms for either of two of their waitresses and instead they sent me their "Bikini Girl". I told them the show was supposed to be on diverted goals, so they sent me a girl that always wanted to be in show-biz, but instead ended up in show-biz. I think they missed the point.

Even though she was drop-dead gorgeous I canceled her appearance, because it would not have shown "the other side of Vegas", which is what I'd like to show. You already get the party line, I wanted to show you all the truth.

The reality is, casinos don't want any of their regular employees talking about what it's like to work real jobs in Las Vegas, and they won't sanction such interviews.

I'll see if I can get an ex-cocktail waitress to come on and talk. This way she won't have to worry about loosing her job because of what she says.

We have a ton of brilliant, talented, and potentially society enriching people, serving drinks in LV (instead of curing cancer, or other), simply because the money is better with a tray in your hand.

They say it is called "Sin City"...well there's your SIN.

~FK

#5

Try http://cocktaildoll.blogspot.com/

She hasn't posted a blog entry in quite some time but you might look into getting her to speak on your program.

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On 2/19/2011 12:34 PM, Frank wrote:

I asked the palms for either of two of their waitresses and instead they sent me their "Bikini Girl". I told them the show was supposed to be on diverted goals, so they sent me a girl that always wanted to be in show-biz, but instead ended up in show-biz. I think they missed the point.

Even though she was drop-dead gorgeous I canceled her appearance, because it would not have shown "the other side of Vegas", which is what I'd like to show. You already get the party line, I wanted to show you all the truth.

The reality is, casinos don't want any of their regular employees talking about what it's like to work real jobs in Las Vegas, and they won't sanction such interviews.

I'll see if I can get an ex-cocktail waitress to come on and talk. This way she won't have to worry about loosing her job because of what she says.

We have a ton of brilliant, talented, and potentially society enriching people, serving drinks in LV (instead of curing cancer, or other), simply because the money is better with a tray in your hand.

They say it is called "Sin City"...well there's your SIN.

~FK

#6

Yeah! I'm all for the cocktaildoll. Get her on, Frank. She's definitely my kind of chick.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Mike Starr <mike@...> wrote:

Try http://cocktaildoll.blogspot.com/

She hasn't posted a blog entry in quite some time but you might look >into getting her on.

#7

She'd probably expect you to give her $3 every time she finished a sentence.

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On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Mickey <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com> wrote:

Yeah! I'm all for the cocktaildoll. Get her on, Frank.

#8

Here's a link from her site, and a list of what kind of drinks various types of customers order. It's somewhat amusing.

http://www.cocktaildoll.com/whoorderswhat.htm

"Old Skinny-Ass Chain-Smoking Video Poker Gamble-holic White Women"

"Black coffee"

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

Yeah! I'm all for the cocktaildoll. Get her on, Frank. She's definitely my kind of chick.

#9

Come on now, I believe someone who would settle for serving drinks, or parking cars for the $$$, does not have the inner passion and drive to be do cancer research.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:

We have a ton of brilliant, talented, and potentially society enriching people, serving drinks in LV (instead of curing cancer, or other), simply because the money is better with a tray in your hand.

They say it is called "Sin City"...well there's your SIN.

~FK

#10

Not everyone who has the raw material to do something
wants to, or can do, what another might.

Besides that, just as we cannot all make a living doing
other people's laundry, not everyone can be in Cancer
research, it's like Amway, not everyon can do it.

And being a brilliant VP player and or strategist is no
small accomplishment itself.

Besides, I bet all the folks who are this, Kneeland,
Dancer, Singer, whoever, have done themselves and
their brains huge good by just walking down this path
of study and enlightenment.

It doesn't have to be the Torah or some special
Holy Scripture to be worthwhile doing. And you
don't have to find the cure for cancer for your life
to have been worthwhile.

And Frank still has time to fiddle at Carnegie
hall when he's not working in a lab at the Mayo.

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--- On Sun, 2/20/11, pumsparky <dianalnagy@aol.com> wrote:

From: pumsparky <dianalnagy@aol.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Gambling With an Edge Feb 17th
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 20, 2011, 5:43 PM

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:

We have a ton of brilliant, talented, and potentially society enriching people, serving drinks in LV (instead of curing cancer, or other), simply because the money is better with a tray in your hand.

They say it is called "Sin City"...well there's your SIN.

~FK

Come on now, I believe someone who would settle for serving drinks, or parking cars for the $$$, does not have the inner passion and drive to be do cancer research.

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#11

I follow her on Facebook - send a friend request to Dollie Doll - if you want to keep up to date on her.

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From: Mike Starr <mike@writestarr.com>
To: vpFREE <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Feb 20, 2011 11:11 am
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Gambling With an Edge Feb 17th

Try http://cocktaildoll.blogspot.com/
She hasn't posted a blog entry in quite some time but you might look into
etting her to speak on your program.

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#12

Inspiring post. Thank you. I met a high-school student today (16) studying to be an ecologist. I asked her if she was jealous of the money that less difficult and less noble pursuits offered. Her answer,

"I could care less about money. I'd work for free if I thought it would help the world".

I was so stunned to hear this from a Vegas born/raised 16 year old girl, I still haven't recovered.

There may be hope for us all yet.

Good night all...

~FK

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Cohen <brucedcohen2002@...> wrote:

Not everyone who has the raw material to do something
wants to, or can do, what another might.
Â
Besides that, just as we cannot all make a living doing
other people's laundry, not everyone can be in Cancer
research, it's like Amway, not everyon can do it.
Â
And being a brilliant VP player and or strategist is no
small accomplishment itself.
Â
Besides, I bet all the folks who are this, Kneeland,
Dancer, Singer, whoever, have done themselves and
their brains huge good by just walking down this path
of study and enlightenment.
Â
It doesn't have to be the Torah or some special
Holy Scripture to be worthwhile doing. And you
don't have to find the cure for cancer for your life
to have been worthwhile.
Â
And Frank still has time to fiddle at Carnegie
hall when he's not working in a lab at the Mayo.

--- On Sun, 2/20/11, pumsparky <dianalnagy@...> wrote:

From: pumsparky <dianalnagy@...>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Gambling With an Edge Feb 17th
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 20, 2011, 5:43 PM

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@> wrote:

>
> We have a ton of brilliant, talented, and potentially society enriching people, serving drinks in LV (instead of curing cancer, or other), simply because the money is better with a tray in your hand.
>
> They say it is called "Sin City"...well there's your SIN.
>
> ~FK
>

Come on now, I believe someone who would settle for serving drinks, or parking cars for the $$$, does not have the inner passion and drive to be do cancer research.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#13

I can't believe all the chatter about having on this cocktail girl. I'll see what I can do. But you know it's not really on topic for our show. When Bob and I started this, we mainly intended to have on gambling book authors and other gambling related guests, like the gaming control board chairman we'll have in two weeks.

Then I insisted that we do at least one human interest story a month on "The other side of Vegas".

It'll be at least a month or longer before I do another off topic show.

What we will be talking about soon is VP error types and all the tricky little techniques my mother came up with to correct them, when she & I were put in charge of the team training program. I call it TTT.

Bob is going to help me adapt TTT to help regular gamblers. I think it will be groundbreaking. Bob's knowledge and my experience seem to complement each other very well, and it'll be all of you that reap the rewards.

Cheers all,

~FK

#14

A cancer researcher may go home from his lab and beat his wife and kids, fight with his neighbors, and never give a thought about other people's needs or feelings.

A professional gambler may be a loving husband and a wonderful father, someone who volunteers his time and money to charities, and someone who is a caring supportive friend to many.

It's what's in your heart and the kind of influence you have outside your job that counts the most!

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Jean $�ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/

#15

Well... maybe if she could NOT care less about money.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:

Her answer,

"I could care less about money. I'd work for free if I thought it would help the world".

There may be hope for us all yet.

~FK

#16

Yes, it's a fantastic empty gesture. "To each according to their needs, from each according to their abilities." Sounds great don't it. What a utopian dream. Unfortunately, it goes totally against human nature. What kind of analogy could be applied from the gambling world? Oh, yes, here's one. The Horseshoe poker dealers.

A long time ago and far far away the poker dealers at the Horseshoe had to split their tips. That was the cause. What was the effect? The effect was they were the slowest dealers in the west. Some of those dealers were so slow you would think you were in Madam Tussaud's Wax Museum. But there were also some very talented dealers there. You could see it when they dealt tournaments. But in the cash games they were abysmal.

Why? Human nature. I know what those talented dealers were thinking. "Why should I crank out 40 hands an hour, raking in all that tip money, just to have to give most of it to those other idiot dealers? Those idiots that are only getting out 20 hands an hour. Why should I make those idiots a living?" So it was a race to see who could be the slowest dealer in the house.

Then one day the house policy changed. The dealers no longer had to split their tips. Oh, Baby! With the better dealers the cards were coming so fast I could hardly keep up. Man, what a change!

Then another thing happened. More hands being cranked out meant more money was going down the hole. When the house seen the big increase in rake they weeded out those little slow ass dealers and brought in better ones.

Work for free? Yeah, you betcha!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@> wrote:
>
> Her answer,
>
> "I could care less about money. I'd work for free if I thought it >would help the world".

#17

An interesting post Jean. And I agree COMPLETELY with all but your title. You make the argument that good people can be found in any profession, and I don't dispute that one iota. I would instead add to it. I've said in many of my posts that the best, and most altruistic people I've ever met are gamblers. It's true! Really great people. I'd include you in that bunch...of course. Your support was instrumental in my completing my book.

But your post should be entitled, "Worthy People", not "Worthy occupations".

Since you entitle it "Worthy occupations" we should talk about the worthiness of the job, not the people doing it.

I'll abstain, because I think everyone can figure that out one their own.

~FK

P.S. On another point of agreement. One of the most vile people I ever met was a medical research scientist. The weird thing is that he still has more of a chance to impact the lives of my children than any Jackpot I'll ever hit.

~All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~Edmund Burke (Disputed--likely paraphrase)

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:
A cancer researcher may go home from his lab and beat his wife and kids, fight with his neighbors, and never give a thought about other people's needs or feelings.

A professional gambler may be a loving husband and a wonderful father, someone who volunteers his time and money to charities, and someone who is a caring supportive friend to many.

It's what's in your heart and the kind of influence you have outside your job that counts the most!

#18

I agree to a point. For example, I don't know if Louis Pasteur beat his wife or not. I hope he didn't, but it really doesn't matter to me in any real sense. I'm really glad he had the job he had either way.

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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: queenofcomps@cox.net
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 00:53:06 -0800
Subject: [vpFREE] "Worthy occupations"

A cancer researcher may go home from his lab and beat his wife and kids,
fight with his neighbors, and never give a thought about other people's
needs or feelings.

A professional gambler may be a loving husband and a wonderful father,
someone who volunteers his time and money to charities, and someone who is a
caring supportive friend to many.

It's what's in your heart and the kind of influence you have outside your
job that counts the most!
________________
Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#19

In find two things interesting about your reply.

One: You used as your example of the not so good nature of people, a group of humans that work in a casino in the gaming industry.

Two: You made no judgments as the to rightness or wrongness of such behavior.

Are you saying that it's human nature to be greedy and self-serving? (no argument there)

Or are you instead saying that IT SHOULD be human nature to be greedy and self serving? (If this is what you mean, I can only hope you are wrong.)

What I'd like to know is if they made Greenpeace members split tips if their productivity would go down. I believe poker dealers might be a slightly biased sample.

~FK

Yes, it's a fantastic empty gesture. "To each according to their needs, from each according to their abilities." Sounds great don't it. What a utopian dream. Unfortunately, it goes totally against human nature. What kind of analogy could be applied from the gambling world? Oh, yes, here's one. The Horseshoe poker dealers.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

A long time ago and far far away the poker dealers at the Horseshoe had to split their tips. That was the cause. What was the effect? The effect was they were the slowest dealers in the west. Some of those dealers were so slow you would think you were in Madam Tussaud's Wax Museum. But there were also some very talented dealers there. You could see it when they dealt tournaments. But in the cash games they were abysmal.

Why? Human nature. I know what those talented dealers were thinking. "Why should I crank out 40 hands an hour, raking in all that tip money, just to have to give most of it to those other idiot dealers? Those idiots that are only getting out 20 hands an hour. Why should I make those idiots a living?" So it was a race to see who could be the slowest dealer in the house.

Then one day the house policy changed. The dealers no longer had to split their tips. Oh, Baby! With the better dealers the cards were coming so fast I could hardly keep up. Man, what a change!

Then another thing happened. More hands being cranked out meant more money was going down the hole. When the house seen the big increase in rake they weeded out those little slow ass dealers and brought in better ones.

Work for free? Yeah, you betcha!

#20

I would question your inclusion of "Singer" as a "brilliant VP player and or strategist". I have never found anything helpful in his writings or strategies. In fact, I have often wondered if he was paid by the casinos to plant a seed of doubt into the minds of VP enthusiasts. If anything, he is an anti-strategist. Maybe you can enlighten me about some of his writings that I have obviously missed.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Cohen <brucedcohen2002@...> wrote:

Â
And being a brilliant VP player and or strategist is no
small accomplishment itself.
Â
Besides, I bet all the folks who are this, Kneeland,
Dancer, Singer, whoever, have done themselves and
their brains huge good by just walking down this path
of study and enlightenment.
Â