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Does anyone know why the IRS discriminates against the slot players by recording and sending the IRS winnings above $1199.99 and not sending winning info on say blackjack or craps players? If I understand correctly the blackjack player can win millions and that info is not sent to the IRS while slot players are turned in for anything above $1199.99. I know life's not fair but that is a glaring inconsistency, isn't it?

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Actually craps players do have to do W2Gs for jackpots over $1,200 if they hit the fire bet which is all 6 numbers made before a seven out. I had to do one when I made 14 numbers at the Paris in August including the required 6 which pays 1,000 to 1. (I repeated some numbers.)
   
  If a craps player is hitting smaller amounts but collectively they add up to thousands, there is no W2G requirement. If there is a jackpot style win then the reporting requirement kicks in.
   
  Some odd Blackjack variants such as dealer and player getting a certain hand with a side bet such as matching pairs or something, may also be required to fill out the paperwork. It depends on the jackpot involved.

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Robert Pickett <robert.pickett70@yahoo.com> wrote:
          Does anyone know why the IRS discriminates against the slot players by recording and sending the IRS winnings above $1199.99 and not sending winning info on say blackjack or craps players? If I understand correctly the blackjack player can win millions and that info is not sent to the IRS while slot players are turned in for anything above $1199.99. I know life's not fair but that is a glaring inconsistency, isn't it?

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Robert Pickett <robert.pickett70@...> wrote:
slot players are turned in for anything above $1199.99.

Ummmm, below $1199.99 is "turned in" also. There's no W2G, but the
data is "turned in".

>Robert Pickett wrote:
>slot players are turned in for anything above $1199.99.

nightoftheiguana2000 wrote:

Ummmm, below $1199.99 is "turned in" also. There's no W2G, but the
data is "turned in".

You're not suggesting "turned in" in the sense of reported to the IRS,
are you? (You want to explain what you mean specifically?)

- H.

Ummmm, yeah, I'm suggesting that, but I will decline to add details.
You're not suggesting that the IRS only knows about W2G and 1099 and
CTR's and other paper reportable wins?

Basically, the IRS has already done your taxes for you, whether or not
you get audited depends on the differences between their numbers and
the ones you submit ... and other factors.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

> >Robert Pickett wrote:
> >slot players are turned in for anything above $1199.99.

nightoftheiguana2000 wrote:
> Ummmm, below $1199.99 is "turned in" also. There's no W2G, but the
> data is "turned in".

You're not suggesting "turned in" in the sense of reported to the IRS,
are you? (You want to explain what you mean specifically?)

Don't try to find any sort of logic or efficiency within the IRS! I
won't even get into the fact that I'm paying full taxes as an
expatriate living abroad (since we can thank Congress for that) but
dealing with the IRS is a nightmare. The latest was 2 letters
(duplicate for my wife since we file jointly) mailed overseas to tell
us we still owe 40 cents on our 2005 taxes - which of course isn't even
correct! Good use of taxpayer dollars!

Steve

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Robert Pickett <robert.pickett70@...>
wrote:

Does anyone know why the IRS discriminates against the slot players

by recording and sending the IRS winnings above $1199.99 and not
sending winning info on say blackjack or craps players? If I
understand correctly the blackjack player can win millions and that
info is not sent to the IRS while slot players are turned in for
anything above $1199.99. I know life's not fair but that is a glaring
inconsistency, isn't it?

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Can't you use the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion? (Form 2555)

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "larsonsm" <larsonsm@...> wrote:

Don't try to find any sort of logic or efficiency within the IRS! I
won't even get into the fact that I'm paying full taxes as an
expatriate living abroad (since we can thank Congress for that) but
dealing with the IRS is a nightmare.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:

>
> > >Robert Pickett wrote:
> > >slot players are turned in for anything above $1199.99.
>
> nightoftheiguana2000 wrote:
> > Ummmm, below $1199.99 is "turned in" also. There's no W2G, but the
> > data is "turned in".
>
>
> You're not suggesting "turned in" in the sense of reported to the IRS,
> are you? (You want to explain what you mean specifically?)

Ummmm, yeah, I'm suggesting that, but I will decline to add details.
You're not suggesting that the IRS only knows about W2G and 1099 and
CTR's and other paper reportable wins?

Basically, the IRS has already done your taxes for you, whether or not
you get audited depends on the differences between their numbers and
the ones you submit ... and other factors.

If you don't add details, how can we believe anything you say? You're
being very cryptic, but not giving us anything to verify. That hurts
your credibility big time. This is not a black-helicopter crowd here.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:

Ummmm, yeah, I'm suggesting that, but I will decline to add details.
You're not suggesting that the IRS only knows about W2G and 1099 and
CTR's and other paper reportable wins?

Basically, the IRS has already done your taxes for you, whether or not
you get audited depends on the differences between their numbers and
the ones you submit ... and other factors.

You can ask the IRS for a statement showing what has been reported for
you. If you have multiple W-2s or 1099s you'll probably find it
reasonably accurate, but it may be missing some things. If you think
you lost a 1099 or aren't sure what a casino might have reported, just
ask.

The IRS doesn't do your taxes in advance -- think for a minute about
the logistics of that. Haven't you read about their personnel shortage
and multiple failed computer system upgrade attempts? They can barely
keep up with their actual workload without imagining that they are
somehow doing a vastly larger and more complicated job in secret.

If you don't file or send in something that obviously understates your
income they don't bother trying to figure your finances out. They
simply make a guess way on the optimistic side (for them) and then
assess you on that. It's then up to you to either pay those taxes or
file a return showing that you didn't make that much. I've had them
assess me and it's clear the only research they did was to multiply
one big number by another big number, totally made up.

If you get on their audit or criminal radar they can dig things up
from banks and casinos and employers, all of whom are required to keep
records. But that's costly and time-consuming and it doesn't work like
on TV, where a big beeping computer screen pops up showing your face
and all of your bank transactions and your email and chat logs and
recordings of your voicemail. Just look at how lame every other
government agency's systems are and imagine that on a very large scale.

What is this statement called and how do you go about getting one? I
was expecting a few 1099-MISCs and did not receive them. Obviously I'd
be including the income regardless of whether they were filed or not,
but by not listing it as 1099-MISC and instead lumping it with all the
other wins throughout the year, it might look as if I didn't include it.

Also, do casinos send in forms for cash back?

Thanks!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Jorgensen" <gregjor@...> wrote:

You can ask the IRS for a statement showing what has been reported for
you. If you have multiple W-2s or 1099s you'll probably find it
reasonably accurate, but it may be missing some things. If you think
you lost a 1099 or aren't sure what a casino might have reported, just
ask.

What is this statement called and how do you go about getting

one? I

was expecting a few 1099-MISCs and did not receive them.

Obviously I'd

be including the income regardless of whether they were filed or

not,

but by not listing it as 1099-MISC and instead lumping it with all

the

other wins throughout the year, it might look as if I didn't

include it.

Also, do casinos send in forms for cash back?

Thanks!

1. It's easier than it used to be. Just tromp on down to the local
IRS orifice and ask for a summary of reported income. Bring
identification. You can also request this via certified mail (you
may have to notarize it), but that's slower. Keep in mind that they
can be as much as 3 months behind, so if the summary doesn't include
something that happened at the end of last year, that's probably
why; just include it in your filing.

2. It's not a bad idea to attach a summary of all your 1099's and W-
2G's to your return.

3. Casinos don't report cashback unless you exceed the $1200
threshold for any one redemption, and if you play that heavily, the
IRS already has an entire local office named after you anyway.

It is not a matter of what is or isn't turned in to the IRS. It is only a matter of paperwork. If you have gambling winnings whether above or below $1200 they are taxeable. If you have losses the same year they can be deducted against winnings if you itemize deductions.

larsonsm <larsonsm@yahoo.com> wrote: Don't try to find any sort of logic or efficiency within the IRS! I
won't even get into the fact that I'm paying full taxes as an
expatriate living abroad (since we can thank Congress for that) but
dealing with the IRS is a nightmare. The latest was 2 letters
(duplicate for my wife since we file jointly) mailed overseas to tell
us we still owe 40 cents on our 2005 taxes - which of course isn't even
correct! Good use of taxpayer dollars!

Steve

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Robert Pickett <robert.pickett70@...>
wrote:

Does anyone know why the IRS discriminates against the slot players

by recording and sending the IRS winnings above $1199.99 and not
sending winning info on say blackjack or craps players? If I
understand correctly the blackjack player can win millions and that
info is not sent to the IRS while slot players are turned in for
anything above $1199.99. I know life's not fair but that is a glaring
inconsistency, isn't it?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tralfamidorgooglycrackers"
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1. It's easier than it used to be. Just tromp on down to the local
IRS orifice and ask for a summary of reported income. Bring
identification. You can also request this via certified mail (you
may have to notarize it), but that's slower. Keep in mind that they
can be as much as 3 months behind, so if the summary doesn't include
something that happened at the end of last year, that's probably
why; just include it in your filing.

Shame about the lag time, since I was mostly curious about 1099-MISCs
that wouldn't have been mailed until year-end. I guess I'll just talk
to the accounting depts of the various casinos. I was just hoping to
be able to get all the info from one source instead of having to talk
to each casino.

Thanks for the info!

What makes the whole things worse and truly unfair is if you live in a
state that calculates state income tax off of your gross income on your
1040. The effect is that for the feds you can deduct your losses from
your winnings, but for the state you have to pay taxes on the GS2's
without the possibility of deducting losses. In my case, I have 85K in
reported paper winnings I have to pay state taxes on even though I have
a 6K loss for the year.
I've checked quite a bit into this and if anyone knows that I am wrong
(in this case CT), let me know.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Robert Pickett <robert.pickett70@...>
wrote:

Does anyone know why the IRS discriminates against the slot players

by recording and sending the IRS winnings above $1199.99 and not
sending winning info on say blackjack or craps players? If I
understand correctly the blackjack player can win millions and that
info is not sent to the IRS while slot players are turned in for
anything above $1199.99. I know life's not fair but that is a glaring
inconsistency, isn't it?

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What makes the whole things worse and truly unfair is if you live

in a

state that calculates state income tax off of your gross income on

your

1040. The effect is that for the feds you can deduct your losses

from

your winnings, but for the state you have to pay taxes on the

GS2's

without the possibility of deducting losses. In my case, I have

85K in

reported paper winnings I have to pay state taxes on even though I

have

a 6K loss for the year.
I've checked quite a bit into this and if anyone knows that I am

wrong

(in this case CT), let me know.

I would attach a schedule titled "Net Gambling Income/Loss" and show
all of your wins AND offsetting losses, and the corresponding
negative total, and enter that (or "zero") in the space for
Miscellaneous Income. Then let them try to prove that you had actual
taxable income from gambling activity--they won't be able to.

This is not to say that they won't try to bully or intimidate you
into paying taxes that you don't owe.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "cbivitz99" <quadcity@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tralfamidorgooglycrackers"
<tralfamidorgooglycrackers@...> wrote:

>
> What makes the whole things worse and truly unfair is if you live
in a
> state that calculates state income tax off of your gross income

on

your
> 1040. The effect is that for the feds you can deduct your losses
from
> your winnings, but for the state you have to pay taxes on the
GS2's
> without the possibility of deducting losses. In my case, I have
85K in
> reported paper winnings I have to pay state taxes on even though

I

have
> a 6K loss for the year.
> I've checked quite a bit into this and if anyone knows that I am
wrong
> (in this case CT), let me know.

I would attach a schedule titled "Net Gambling Income/Loss" and

show

all of your wins AND offsetting losses, and the corresponding
negative total, and enter that (or "zero") in the space for
Miscellaneous Income. Then let them try to prove that you had

actual

taxable income from gambling activity--they won't be able to.

This is not to say that they won't try to bully or intimidate you
into paying taxes that you don't owe.

I like the thinking. I will already have taht schedule for the feds,
so it might be worth a try. I'll definitely think about it.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "cbivitz99" <quadcity@> wrote:

Same for us here in Wisconsin. No way around it:(

cbivitz99 <quadcity@hartfordconnects.com> wrote: What makes the whole things worse and truly unfair is if you live in a
state that calculates state income tax off of your gross income on your
1040. The effect is that for the feds you can deduct your losses from
your winnings, but for the state you have to pay taxes on the GS2's
without the possibility of deducting losses. In my case, I have 85K in
reported paper winnings I have to pay state taxes on even though I have
a 6K loss for the year.
I've checked quite a bit into this and if anyone knows that I am wrong
(in this case CT), let me know.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Robert Pickett <robert.pickett70@...>
wrote:
>
> Does anyone know why the IRS discriminates against the slot players
by recording and sending the IRS winnings above $1199.99 and not
sending winning info on say blackjack or craps players? If I
understand correctly the blackjack player can win millions and that
info is not sent to the IRS while slot players are turned in for
anything above $1199.99. I know life's not fair but that is a glaring
inconsistency, isn't it?

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I agree that adding this schedule is a good idea, but keep in mine you should include all winnings, not just those on W2G's -you are asking the state to be honest with you-be honest with them as well

What makes the whole things worse and truly unfair is if you live

in a

state that calculates state income tax off of your gross income on

your

1040. The effect is that for the feds you can deduct your losses

from

your winnings, but for the state you have to pay taxes on the

GS2's

without the possibility of deducting losses. In my case, I have

85K in

reported paper winnings I have to pay state taxes on even though I

have

a 6K loss for the year.
I've checked quite a bit into this and if anyone knows that I am

wrong

(in this case CT), let me know.

I would attach a schedule titled "Net Gambling Income/Loss" and show
all of your wins AND offsetting losses, and the corresponding
negative total, and enter that (or "zero") in the space for
Miscellaneous Income. Then let them try to prove that you had actual
taxable income from gambling activity--they won't be able to.

This is not to say that they won't try to bully or intimidate you
into paying taxes that you don't owe.

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