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gamblers bill of rights

#1

I think you must have missed today's shock therapy session. The bottom line
is market forces determine which businesses or casinos survive and which don't.

If you don't like the odds, don't gamble there. Don't try to regulate
solutions and build additional govt agencies where there are already to many that
waste billions of tax dollars and don't work

Maybe we should all chip in and buy you a horse (if he's a racehorse he has
to return 90% or he's glue) that you could ride out into the fields of CA and
contemplate other solutions to the social ills of today's society.
Joel

In a message dated 12/18/2003 11:44:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bill.berggren@padobe.com writes:

I say you're all wet and ignorant. 1st, the Las Vegas casino industry
has been lobbying to keep casinos out of California for decades, are
they commi too? They want to limit casinos. I want limit revenue only
because of the limited casinos and tracks. Do you agree there should
be a limit on the number of casinos in California? Several church
groups do. Are you calling churches commis too.

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#2

Other than video poker there is no way to know the odds of the
machine. They should either be posted on the machine or listed
somewhere so you can find out. Do you agree on bets you can't
determine the payback, the paybacks be listed, so you can determine
whether or not you want to gamble there.

The racehorse need not return 90 percent, the pool has to return 90
percent. The pool is total payout per bet, the losing horses still
get nothing. There is no doubt in my mind, with this change, horse
racing will improve mainly for the racetracks. But, this will only
work if the simulcasts are forced to have this takeout too.

There are laws on the books to prevent you betting horses
internationally. Why, because the State and local tracks want your money.

Maybe the new law should be, "the State may not impose any restriction

I think you must have missed today's shock therapy session. The

bottom line

is market forces determine which businesses or casinos survive and

which don't.

If you don't like the odds, don't gamble there. Don't try to regulate
solutions and build additional govt agencies where there are already

to many that

waste billions of tax dollars and don't work

Maybe we should all chip in and buy you a horse (if he's a racehorse

he has

to return 90% or he's glue) that you could ride out into the fields

of CA and

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on gambling of any kind". --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, joel0457@a... wrote:

contemplate other solutions to the social ills of today's society.
Joel

#3

I am not looking for naysayers. I am looking for volunteers for the
non-profit organizaion.

That is the whole point, there are no market forces in gambling. I
want to create some. Try to find a list of all the average payback
percentages of video slots/poker machines in the country. There is
none. Politicans to get casino dollars they have to be of the type
that stays with the program. We need to bypass the politicans and
make disclosure possible by writing our own laws and limiting the
revenues a casino can make. The purpose is to allow laws to be
written for the PLAYER.

I think you must have missed today's shock therapy session. The

bottom line

is market forces determine which businesses or casinos survive and

which don't.

Look at the Minnesota thread, it is MN law that Video poker machines
have a maximum payout of 98 percent. That is pretty sick considering
a fullpay jacks-or-better (99.5% possible return), actually only
returns 90 percent due to bad play. Thus, someone betting a dollar
machine is losing on average $0.50 a play.

Ever watch Phil Ivey, or some of the other poker players. Are you
jealous of them? Or the guy that cracked the Press-Your-Luck code. I
admire these guys more that the president. I consider winning
gamblers is necessary for national security. I am proud of guys like
Phil that can beat the odds.

I know many retired people who want to gamble 100 days a year.
If they lose $100 average a day, that is $10,000. Well worth it for
the entertainment. But the casinos want more and more. The religons
want people to lose more and more. The people who don't gamble want
the gamblers to lose more and more. The politicans want to tax the
casinos more and more.