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From: "Rob Singer" <rsinger1111@cox.net>
To: "vp_FREE" <vpFREE@Cox.net>
Subject: Wynn LV
Date sent: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:55:54 -0700

Here's a heads up that you may post on your forum if you'd like. You
may also say it's from me, and I'll take responsibility for any
comments that may come my way.

By the end of next week, Wynn will have a bank of 10 machines, location
TBD, with 25c/50c/$1 FPDW & 10/7 DB. I just received a call from the
Exec. VP of Casino Ops. who responded to my 2 article in GT---which can
be located on my site www.vptruth.com click on ARTICLES near the
upper left, then go to the Feb. 8 & June 21, 2005 columns--that
basically challenge Wynn to be THE place for locals and visitors alike
to play video poker on the STRIP. I have agreed to write an article to
appear in GT on Aug. 23rd identifying the machines and who it was that
told me they would be installed.

Is the reason that there is no reply to this message total shock on members parts? .. or total disbelief?

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  Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:29 PM
  Subject: [vpFREE] (Fwd) Wynn LV

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  From: "Rob Singer" <rsinger1111@cox.net>
  To: "vp_FREE" <vpFREE@Cox.net>
  Subject: Wynn LV
  Date sent: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:55:54 -0700

  Here's a heads up that you may post on your forum if you'd like. You
  may also say it's from me, and I'll take responsibility for any
  comments that may come my way.

  By the end of next week, Wynn will have a bank of 10 machines, location
  TBD, with 25c/50c/$1 FPDW & 10/7 DB. I just received a call from the
  Exec. VP of Casino Ops. who responded to my 2 article in GT---which can
  be located on my site www.vptruth.com click on ARTICLES near the
  upper left, then go to the Feb. 8 & June 21, 2005 columns--that
  basically challenge Wynn to be THE place for locals and visitors alike
  to play video poker on the STRIP. I have agreed to write an article to
  appear in GT on Aug. 23rd identifying the machines and who it was that
  told me they would be installed.

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<<Is the reason that there is no reply to this message total shock on members parts? .. or total disbelief?>

I'm busy trying to hold my breath - but it's hard because I keep giggling!

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Singer has said some (well, a lot) of outrageous things before. He made a similar statement about the Tuscany a while back; nothing happened.

Stranger things have happened...but I'll believe it when I see it.

John J Canney wrote:

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  ----- Original Message ----- From: vpFREE To: vpFREE@Yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:29 PM
  Subject: [vpFREE] (Fwd) Wynn LV

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  From: "Rob Singer" <rsinger1111@cox.net>
  To: "vp_FREE" <vpFREE@Cox.net>
  Subject: Wynn LV
  Date sent: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:55:54 -0700

  Here's a heads up that you may post on your forum if you'd like. You may also say it's from me, and I'll take responsibility for any comments that may come my way.

  By the end of next week, Wynn will have a bank of 10 machines, location TBD, with 25c/50c/$1 FPDW & 10/7 DB. I just received a call from the Exec. VP of Casino Ops. who responded to my 2 article in GT---which can be located on my site www.vptruth.com click on ARTICLES near the upper left, then go to the Feb. 8 & June 21, 2005 columns--that basically challenge Wynn to be THE place for locals and visitors alike to play video poker on the STRIP. I have agreed to write an article to appear in GT on Aug. 23rd identifying the machines and who it was that told me they would be installed.

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For a while while the thread about being backroomed was pretty active,
I was itching to post a message about how casinos can use VP as part
of their marketing strategies.

It makes little doubt that the success of blackjack can be traced to
the publication of books which created a notion that it's
theoretically possible to beat the house. Most people don't, and those
who do what it takes to beat the house aren't really welcome in
casinos; that was the subject of several long threads in the last few
weeks, so let's not discuss it again.

Now, what does Wynn gain from having dollar FPDW?

-They gain bragging rights for having one of the most positive
machines in [the strip, vegas, nevada, US], possibly even the
absolutely most positive ones (OK, someone will probably point to
another machine somehwere). That's 3.8 cents per perfect game, on
average. It might not be the best play for an advantage player (the
machines could be slow, or they could earn no points or even negative
points), but bragging rights are good for marketing.

-If they manage to attract more players to their VP machines than
other casinos do, it gives them some marketing possibilities based on
the way the officially reported return rate of slot machines includes
both VP and reels: they can either lower the return on their reel
machines without it showing in the official reports, or they can
attract many reel players by showing high reported return rates.

-Being friendly to the best players will also give them positive
marketing: word of mouth spreads. If Wynn gets the reputation of
having the best VP in town, they'll attract players.

-They only plan 10 machines. People who go there in order to play VP
and find that all 10 machines are busy might have a snack, play
something else, see a show, i.e. spend some money.

-Worst case for them, if the 20 machines are played perfectly as
dollar FPDW 24/7 at 800HPH, the average cost will be $2.6M over a
year. Certainly not pocket change, but their marketing department must
have figured that the move will bring them enough in other profit to
compensate. And if things go wrong they can easily revert to another
pay table.

JBQ

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On 8/10/05, John J Canney <jcanney@comcast.net> wrote:

Is the reason that there is no reply to this message total shock on members parts? .. or total disbelief?

Didn't Singer also tell us that Tuscany was going to put in the same thing
after they opened?

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To: vpFREE@Yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] (Fwd) Wynn LV

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From: "Rob Singer" <rsinger1111@cox.net>
To: "vp_FREE" <vpFREE@Cox.net>
Subject: Wynn LV
Date sent: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:55:54 -0700

Here's a heads up that you may post on your forum if you'd like. You
may also say it's from me, and I'll take responsibility for any
comments that may come my way.

By the end of next week, Wynn will have a bank of 10 machines, location
TBD, with 25c/50c/$1 FPDW & 10/7 DB. I just received a call from the
Exec. VP of Casino Ops. who responded to my 2 article in GT---which can
be located on my site www.vptruth.com click on ARTICLES near the
upper left, then go to the Feb. 8 & June 21, 2005 columns--that
basically challenge Wynn to be THE place for locals and visitors alike
to play video poker on the STRIP. I have agreed to write an article to
appear in GT on Aug. 23rd identifying the machines and who it was that
told me they would be installed.

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Didn't Singer also tell us that Tuscany was going to put in the same

thing

after they opened?

See message 15644, May 9, 2003

Thus spake Singer:

I know a lot of you are skeptical about Tuscany implementing $1 FPDW
games, and you have a right to be. With their four-to-the-royal losing
bonus of 100 credits thru dollars, that shows me they are in need of
customers who stay and play --just as I recognized when I met with
them after their opening. I just had a tele-conference with the casino
manager and controller. In what they are calling a 'test case', I
believe you will see at least the 50c machines sport FPDW soon.
I told them either that, or watch an otherwise very comfortable casino
close its doors.

Further, for all you political vp junkies, it isn't that Tuscany fears
players will win, win, win and put the hurt on them. The concern I was
told of was that they've seen that most who play these type games
aren't loyal. Their bank of quarter FPDW's have been the same players
for the most part. Tuscany wants loyalty, not opportunity players who
will blow away with a fresher wind. So while advantage players are
writing how it's the casinos who are at fault, maybe it's the player's
attitude that causes these things to happen. Yes, we all want the best
pay tables, but maybe the tables will last longer "in the long run"
ie., 'if they are removed maybe they'll return' if such a big fuss is
not always made so publicly.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Randy C" <randyc@U...> wrote:

John J Canney wrote:

Is the reason that there is no reply to this message total shock on
members parts? .. or total disbelief?

"Wait and See" is the prudent response here.

- H.

My vote is for total disbelief.

Regards
A.P.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: John J Canney
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE] (Fwd) Wynn LV

  Is the reason that there is no reply to this message total shock on members parts? .. or total disbelief?

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More like "Wait and NOT See" ... this notorious internet troll has ZERO
credibility.

2-W

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@v...> wrote:

John J Canney wrote:
> Is the reason that there is no reply to this message total shock on
> members parts? .. or total disbelief?

"Wait and See" is the prudent response here.

- H.

Didn't Singer also tell us that Tuscany was going to put in the same

thing

after they opened?

Yes he did...I'm still waiting with bated breath :slight_smile:

Don the Dentist

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Randy C" <randyc@U...> wrote:

Hi Don,

Since you're a DDS, can't you do something about your breath?

Maybe that's why the EC trespassed you. They didn't want you to
offend their other very elegant clientele! ( - :

Regards,

Babe

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dds2124" <dds6@c...> wrote:

Yes he did...I'm still waiting with bated breath :slight_smile:

Don the Dentist ---
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In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Randy C" <randyc@U...> wrote:

Didn't Singer also tell us that Tuscany was going to put in the
same
thing after they opened?

Well, this should be interesting whether the machines go in or not:-)

Chandler

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To: vpFREE@Yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] (Fwd) Wynn LV

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From: "Rob Singer" <rsinger1111@cox.net>
To: "vp_FREE" <vpFREE@Cox.net>
Subject: Wynn LV
Date sent: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:55:54 -0700

Here's a heads up that you may post on your forum if you'd like. You
may also say it's from me, and I'll take responsibility for any
comments that may come my way.

By the end of next week, Wynn will have a bank of 10 machines, location
TBD, with 25c/50c/$1 FPDW & 10/7 DB. I just received a call from the
Exec. VP of Casino Ops. who responded to my 2 article in GT---which can
be located on my site www.vptruth.com click on ARTICLES near the
upper left, then go to the Feb. 8 & June 21, 2005 columns--that
basically challenge Wynn to be THE place for locals and visitors alike
to play video poker on the STRIP. I have agreed to write an article to
appear in GT on Aug. 23rd identifying the machines and who it was that
told me they would be installed.

vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm

Yahoo! Groups Links

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@y...>
wrote:

Hi Don,

Since you're a DDS, can't you do something about your breath?

Maybe that's why the EC trespassed you. They didn't want you to
offend their other very elegant clientele! ( - :

I was the only one without halitosis...made me stand out in the crowd
:slight_smile:

Don the Dentist

I'll be willing to bet that on 4/1/06 we'll be announcing the arrival
of these machines at Wynn. And, in fact, all up and down the Strip.

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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: John J Canney
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE] (Fwd) Wynn LV

  Is the reason that there is no reply to this message total shock
on members parts? .. or total disbelief?

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Before I even read the responses, I can only say it's about time
someone stood up to MGM and Harrahs. Not that Wynn is going to be a
Walmart type of place, but it is my belief that post mega-mergers,
market share is there for the taking. Those operators that step to
the plate will be rewarded with more traffic (perhaps with less
margins, but so what). The goodwill factor alone can reap years of
loyalty.

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From: "Rob Singer" <rsinger1111@c...>
To: "vp_FREE" <vpFREE@C...>
Subject: Wynn LV
Date sent: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:55:54 -0700

Here's a heads up that you may post on your forum if you'd like.

You

may also say it's from me, and I'll take responsibility for any
comments that may come my way.

By the end of next week, Wynn will have a bank of 10 machines,

location

TBD, with 25c/50c/$1 FPDW & 10/7 DB. I just received a call from

the

Exec. VP of Casino Ops. who responded to my 2 article in GT---

which can

be located on my site www.vptruth.com click on ARTICLES near the
upper left, then go to the Feb. 8 & June 21, 2005 columns--that
basically challenge Wynn to be THE place for locals and visitors

alike

to play video poker on the STRIP. I have agreed to write an

article to

appear in GT on Aug. 23rd identifying the machines and who it was

that

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE" <vpFREE@C...> wrote:

told me they would be installed.

Any fool would believe that.

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  From: Bill Coleman
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  Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE] (Fwd) Wynn LV

  I'll be willing to bet that on 4/1/06 we'll be announcing the arrival
  of these machines at Wynn. And, in fact, all up and down the Strip.

  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: John J Canney
  > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:23 PM
  > Subject: Re: [vpFREE] (Fwd) Wynn LV
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  > Is the reason that there is no reply to this message total shock
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What's the significance of 4/1/06???

Bill Coleman <vphobby2@cox.net> wrote:I'll be willing to bet that on 4/1/06 we'll be announcing the arrival
of these machines at Wynn. And, in fact, all up and down the Strip.

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Maybe that it's the next scheduled April Fools' Day!!!

That was certainly my reaction too.

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wrote:

What's the significance of 4/1/06???

Bill Coleman <vphobby2@c...> wrote:I'll be willing to bet that on

4/1/06 we'll be announcing the arrival

of these machines at Wynn. And, in fact, all up and down the Strip.

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