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(Fwd) Re: [vpFREE] XVP-Texas Holdem

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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: sresnick2@comcast.net
Date sent: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 01:21:03 +0000
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] XVP-Texas Holdem

It's strange to me that the fairness of these on line games is not
questioned by anyone on this list. Particular after the many
discussions about possible rigged VP machines. What about the possible
collusion of players in contact by phone during an on line poker game?
[etc]

The big answer is... all doubts about the fairness of online sites
(player cheating, owners cheating, etc) are perfectly reasonable
theoretically. But I've been playing for years, & making money. As with
VP, not amounts I could live on, but it's just nice to have hobbies
with a positive cash flow at all. Considering that I make a profit,
that I'm not particularly brilliant, & that I play for relaxation
(which is to say that I'll play in states of extreme distraction, 2 or
3 games at once with the TV on & talking on the phone & checking email
& altering my consciousness simultaneously), the practical evidence
suggests that whoever is cheating must be doing so at higher limits
than I play, or is cheating very poorly.

On the more theoretical note... the sites have an interest in appearing
legit, since customers have many competitors they can switch to. One of
the more obvious ways to appear legit is to be legit. They also have an
interest in policing player cheating. In a Real Life cardroom, catching
coluding players is practically impossible. Online, it'd be much
easier, since the site owners can simply look at the suspected
cheaters' cards & actions & discover cases where their play would be
unreasonable without assuming cheating.

Stuart (RandomStu)
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/mypage.htm

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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: sresnick2@c...
Date sent: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 01:21:03 +0000
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] XVP-Texas Holdem

First, if anyone plays on-line and they worry about games being
rigged (which they most likely are....and why not), if they lose, or
if they have trouble getting paid or are stiffed, then they deserve
it. Gambling on-line is illegal in the US, and if anyone is stupid
enough to take the chance of being made an example of, then you get
what you deserve. Eventually, what comes around goes around. Next,
those who use the excuse that "Gee, the games MUST be fair because of
all the competition out there" are only trying to justify their
participation in something they know nothing about when they should
have known everything about it before they started. No one regulates
on-line gaming, no one knows anything about what they do and don't
do, and all the dreaming in the world doesn't negate the huge
possibility that they do in fact rig the software.

> It's strange to me that the fairness of these on line games is not
> questioned by anyone on this list. Particular after the many
> discussions about possible rigged VP machines. What about the

possiblecollusion of players in contact by phone during an on line
poker game?

The big answer is... all doubts about the fairness of online sites
(player cheating, owners cheating, etc) are perfectly reasonable
theoretically. But I've been playing for years, & making money. As

with

VP, not amounts I could live on, but it's just nice to have hobbies
with a positive cash flow at all. Considering that I make a profit,
that I'm not particularly brilliant, & that I play for relaxation
(which is to say that I'll play in states of extreme distraction, 2

or

3 games at once with the TV on & talking on the phone & checking

email

& altering my consciousness simultaneously), the practical evidence
suggests that whoever is cheating must be doing so at higher limits
than I play, or is cheating very poorly.

On the more theoretical note... the sites have an interest in

appearing

legit, since customers have many competitors they can switch to.

One of

the more obvious ways to appear legit is to be legit. They also

have an

interest in policing player cheating. In a Real Life cardroom,

catching

coluding players is practically impossible. Online, it'd be much
easier, since the site owners can simply look at the suspected
cheaters' cards & actions & discover cases where their play would

be

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unreasonable without assuming cheating.

Stuart (RandomStu)
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/mypage.htm