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(Fwd) Highly-Desirable Progressives

#1

The casino does not want to alienate anyone and therefore will not
implement a time limit on play. (or a waiting list) etc.

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From: dds6@cox.net
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Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: (Fwd) Highly-Desirable Progressives
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 17:18:14 -0000

Who said anything about 30 minutes. All I'm saying is a signup

sheet would

be fair so when someone left a machine it would go to the next

person on the

list. They had to do that with seats at Pai Gow last weekend at

the Rampart.

Nobody rushed anyone but when a seat came up, it went to the next

person on

the list.

Karen

Karen, my appologies...I think I misunderstood your original post:

"In fairness to all, casino managements should implement "sign up"
sheets, and limit the time which anyone may play while others are
waiting for a machine. (To accomodate those playing other games while
waiting, allow 5-10 minutes for the new player to arrive and begin
play). Gosh health clubs do it for the treadmills!"

When you said "limit the time which anyone may play while others are
waiting" and then referenced the health club, I mistakeningly thought

that since most health clubs limit the time on cardio machines to 20
or 30 minutes when other members are waiting, that was the time limit

you were suggesting.

Well, since its not 20 or 30 minutes, what is the time frame are you
suggesting?

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#2

What country is it (somewhere in Asia?) where the video poker
machines have a message that pops up after a couple of hours and
asks, "Don't you think you've played enough today? Why don't you
stop gambling so much and go home now?"

If I was a slot manager in Las Vegas and didn't care about keeping my
job, I'd program the machines to do this on April Fools Day just to
see the ____ hit the fan.

carlos

The casino does not want to alienate anyone and therefore will not
implement a time limit on play. (or a waiting list) etc.

From: dds6@c...
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: (Fwd) Highly-Desirable Progressives
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 17:18:14 -0000

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>
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>> Who said anything about 30 minutes. All I'm saying is a signup
>sheet would
>> be fair so when someone left a machine it would go to the next
>person on the
>> list. They had to do that with seats at Pai Gow last weekend

at

>the Rampart.
>> Nobody rushed anyone but when a seat came up, it went to the

next

>
>person on
>> the list.
>>
>> Karen
>
>Karen, my appologies...I think I misunderstood your original post:
>
>"In fairness to all, casino managements should implement "sign up"
>sheets, and limit the time which anyone may play while others are
>waiting for a machine. (To accomodate those playing other games

while

>waiting, allow 5-10 minutes for the new player to arrive and begin
>play). Gosh health clubs do it for the treadmills!"
>
>When you said "limit the time which anyone may play while others

are

>waiting" and then referenced the health club, I mistakeningly

thought

>
>that since most health clubs limit the time on cardio machines to

20

>or 30 minutes when other members are waiting, that was the time

limit

>
>you were suggesting.
>
>Well, since its not 20 or 30 minutes, what is the time frame are

you

>suggesting?
>
>Don the Dentist
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>
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Research

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#3

<<The casino does not want to alienate anyone and therefore will not
implement a time limit on play. (or a waiting list) etc.>>

Actually letting team members exchange seats when non-team members are waiting is what alienates many regular players. This is the reason that some casinos (Coast in particular) bar players they think are team members from playing their progressives. The regular (non-advantage) players are there day after day; the team members only show up when the progressive gets juicy. If I were a casino owner, I would certainly want to take measures so my regular players don't get mad.

I'm sure if this (a list) was done correctly, it wouldn't alienate players. Witness the fact that it is done routinely in poker rooms with no one thinking it "unfair. " The Palms kept a list during a chip convention once (that I saw) for play on the slot machine that gave out commerative coins.

A list is not a means to limit any one person's time - but it does interject an element of fairness for those waiting.

Actually, I am amazed at how many of you criticize casinos for taking measures to limit the play of advantage players. As Brad has said for years, if he owned a casino, he wouldn't allow me to play in it!!!! It is okay to be disappointed when our benefits are cut, but we can not really blame the casino, which - remember this - is a profit-making endeavor. We are lucky good VP and promotions are sticking around as long as they are.

Now I agree with some of the "pet peeves" that people have mentioned - and I hit casino executives hard when I speak at seminars about "tricky" and overly-complicated moves - free room offers that aren't really free, reneging on promises, fine print exceptions, too many steps to collect bounce-back, etc. (In fact, I sometimes print out your gripping e-mails and read them to the audience!!!) However, things like exempting full-pay machines from certain promotions or giving them fewer club points - this make perfect sense to me from a profit-making company. Just be glad they are leaving in the full-pay machines.

As far as not playing in casinos that do things that "piss you off" - we don't have the luxury of thinking that way any more if we want to keep playing at a profit. We go where there is a good % play as much as possible, preferably the BEST one. We WILL limit our time when there is a health problem, like too smoky!

By the way, we had our second best year gambling in 2004. We are not having trouble finding good plays - just trouble finding time to do them all. This is good, however, since we can pick the best. True, we have to drive a bit more than we used to and some are a bit more time-consuming, like waiting around for drawings. But we are finding that although full-pay games are decreasing, juicy promotions are getting better than ever.

One thing has NOT changed - being an advantage player has NEVER been easy. We have "scrambled" for 20 years - and when we aren't able to "scramble," we will have to cut down on our play, which truthfully seems attractive to us at times. One of these days we may leave all this running around town collecting bounce-back to you younger scramblers!!!!!!

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#4

if i owned a casino i'd let you play, but with an important caveat
i'd treat you as a promotion, if you bring in enough average players
to cover my cost of admiting you and give me a profit, i'd keep the
promotion running
of course, if you bring in a team of expert players which would cost
me even more money, you and your friends would have to go

it's the same reason casinos let dancer teach classes on perfect play,
it generates more non-perfect play than perfect play, hence my casino
makes a profit

sorry, it's not personal, it's just business

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As Brad has said for
years, if he owned a casino, he wouldn't allow me to play in it!!!!

#5

<<if i owned a casino i'd let you play, but with an important caveat
i'd treat you as a promotion, if you bring in enough average players
to cover my cost of admitting you and give me a profit, i'd keep the
promotion running
of course, if you bring in a team of expert players which would cost
me even more money, you and your friends would have to go

it's the same reason casinos let dancer teach classes on perfect play,
it generates more non-perfect play than perfect play, hence my casino
makes a profit

sorry, it's not personal, it's just business>>

I agree 100%. This is the way George Maloof works - he likes me to play at the Palms and I can be filmed there anytime a camera crew wants my story. I always said the Coast properties just didn't "get it" - instead of taking me off their mailed offer lists, they should have hired me to be their spokesperson!!! :slight_smile:

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