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Fw: LVA Question of the Day - 9 FEB 2009

I have often wondered on this general point. Can I ask this in a slightly modified way? Let's change the denominations to $1 and $5. Let's set the starting bankroll at $500. Let's say that the $5 machine is 9/6 JOB and the $1 is 8/5 JOB. I know this is apples and oranges, but is a realistic situation. In this situation am I better of playing 1 coin at $5 versus 5 coins at $1

I agree at equal games the 5 coin lower denom is better

Jim in Chicago

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-----Original Message-----
From: Curtis Rich <LGTVegas@gmail.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:35:59
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] LVA Question of the Day - 9 FEB 2009

Hi Dennis.

I believe that answer given by LVA QOD is still wrong, even
if they were addressing the "minimizing dollar loss" issue.

They should have answered, "Play five coins at a lower
denomination."

I still believe that advising players to bet one coin was
irresponsible and misleading (which, by the way, is what
the casinos want). That is why I started this thread by
saying that I've lost a little respect for LVA and its QOD.

Curtis

On 2/11/09, Dennis Salguero <salguero@gmail.com> wrote:

No, the QOD answer is still correct.
You're missing the spirit of the question which was to minimize the *actual
dollar loss* for the day, not the EV percentage numbers. Surely you realize
that there are different bankroll requirements for playing 25-cents VS
$1.25
per hand. The conclusion merely states that one-coin is ideal for
minimizing
*dollar* loss and, if bankroll allows, no other choice but 5-coin should be
played.

D

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Curtis Rich <LGTVegas@gmail.com> wrote:

> Over the long term, playing 9/6 JOB, (not counting
> comps, cash-back, etc.), you lose 1.63% of your
> money when playing one coin. But, you only lose
> 0.46% of your money when playing five coins.
>
> Yeah, it's a no-brainer!
>
> Five coins.
>
> Always.
>
> (*THAT* should have been the answer in the QOD!)
>
>

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One coin on 9/6 JOB = 98.37%
Five coins on 8/5 JOB = 97.30%

Playing $500 at one coin on 9/6 JOB = an expected loss of $8.15.
Playing $500 at five coins on 8/5 JOB = an expected loss of $13.50.

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On 2/11/09, five300s@yahoo.com <five300s@yahoo.com> wrote:

I have often wondered on this general point. Can I ask this in a slightly
modified way? Let's change the denominations to $1 and $5. Let's set the
starting bankroll at $500. Let's say that the $5 machine is 9/6 JOB and the
$1 is 8/5 JOB. I know this is apples and oranges, but is a realistic
situation. In this situation am I better of playing 1 coin at $5 versus 5
coins at $1

I agree at equal games the 5 coin lower denom is better

Jim in Chicago

-----Original Message-----
From: Curtis Rich LGTVegas@gmail.com

Hi Dennis.

I believe that answer given by LVA QOD is still wrong, even
if they were addressing the "minimizing dollar loss" issue.

They should have answered, "Play five coins at a lower
denomination."

I still believe that advising players to bet one coin was
irresponsible and misleading (which, by the way, is what
the casinos want). That is why I started this thread by
saying that I've lost a little respect for LVA and its QOD.

Curtis

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BTW, Jim, you are right.

This *is* comparing apples to oranges.

It's also kind of moot.

Not many in this group are going to play a game with
such a low payback percentage as 97.3%.

Curtis

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On 2/11/09, Curtis Rich <lgtvegas@gmail.com> wrote:

One coin on 9/6 JOB = 98.37%
Five coins on 8/5 JOB = 97.30%

Playing $500 at one coin on 9/6 JOB = an expected loss of $8.15.
Playing $500 at five coins on 8/5 JOB = an expected loss of $13.50.

On 2/11/09, five300s@yahoo.com <five300s@yahoo.com> wrote:

I have often wondered on this general point. Can I ask this in a slightly
modified way? Let's change the denominations to $1 and $5. Let's set the
starting bankroll at $500. Let's say that the $5 machine is 9/6 JOB and the
$1 is 8/5 JOB. I know this is apples and oranges, but is a realistic
situation. In this situation am I better of playing 1 coin at $5 versus 5
coins at $1

I agree at equal games the 5 coin lower denom is better

Jim in Chicago

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One of the quirks of Montana video poker is short coiners are not
penalized. Rather, it is those who bet more than $1 per hand who are
penalized. Montana law is: $2 is the maximum bet allowed and no
jackpot can exceed $800.

The machines have two denominations: 5 cents where you can bet up to
40 coins and quarters where you can bet up to 8 coins.

This is what Montana Deuces Wild looks like:

RF...................800*
4 Deuces.............100
Wild Royal............25
5K....................15
SF....................10
4K.....................4
FH.....................4
FL.....................3
ST.....................2
3K.....................1

The game comes in at 97.64% so long as one is not betting more than
$1. Anyone betting anywhere from 5 cents to $1 gets 800 for 1 on the
Royal Flush. But anyone betting anywhere from $1.05 up to $2 is
penalized because the jackpot for the Royal Flush will not exceed
$800--The rest of the payscale will multiply up, but not the Royal
Flush. So a person betting $1.25 is getting only 640 for 1 on the
Royal, a person betting $l.50 is getting only 533.333 for 1 on the
royal, a person betting $1.75 is getting only 457.14 for 1 on the
royal, and a person betting $2 is getting only 400 for 1 on the
royal.

And, no, I don't play deuces wild in Montana. But lots of people
do.