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From the wizardofodds.com

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(Q:) I've been told that if a casino's selection of video poker can be a good indication of their slot looseness. The idea behind it is supposed to be that if a casino is willing to put a lot of full play poker on their floor then they well also likely put more loose slots. Does this hold any truth or is it just a myth? — Omer from Fremont, CA.

(A:) I think that theory holds water. When I did my Las Vegas slot machine survey, I found the looseness of a casinos slots and video poker was highly correlated.

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I'm not sure I agree with this myself, but Michael Shackleford is the expert. What do you guys think?

Terrence "VP Pappy" Murphy

"Playing a slot machine is like making a pass at a beautiful super-model. You know you are not going to score, but you keep trying anyway."
--VP Pappy

#2

If you actually read the survey report at http://wizardofodds.com/slots/slotapx3.html, you see that he bases his opinion on testing and evidence, not just his feeling. So yes, I completely agree with him.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vppappy" <tismurph@...> wrote:

(Q:) I've been told that if a casino's selection of video poker can be a good indication of their slot looseness. The idea behind it is supposed to be that if a casino is willing to put a lot of full play poker on their floor then they well also likely put more loose slots. Does this hold any truth or is it just a myth? — Omer from Fremont, CA.

(A:) I think that theory holds water. When I did my Las Vegas slot machine survey, I found the looseness of a casinos slots and video poker was highly correlated.

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I'm not sure I agree with this myself, but Michael Shackleford is the expert. What do you guys think?

#3

Had last weekend comped at the ol S. ( yep I'm a comp HO) the VPfree2 database correlates very little with the games on the floor.
Could find no NSU (now pNSU)or DB 10/7 probably other good paytable s too but I was just looking for these.. Didn't do the whole database as it was a little nuts there over halloween.
LOl 2x points on Fridays though.
Warrents further investigation, but I'm playing the Deepstacks at the Venetian this week, so just a heads up for now.

#4

I agree with the Wiz. Good article and good website. If you are a slotplayer, keep in mind his survey is from about seven years ago.
I thought it was interesting that he said Casino Player and Nevada Gaming lump all machines- slots, BJ,VP, etc.- together in their surveys of % returns.

Bottom line is VP gives a paytable, slots don't. We cannot be certain about slot paybacks unless we have the info that Shackleford had to enable his research, and the time to take on this huge task.

Places where good VP paytables exist tend to cater to locals, whom they want to bleed slowly, so in marketing slots, I would think those joints keep the slots a bit looser, so players won't lose it all at once and will keep coming back.
But that is just my theory. The Wizard has facts.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nickdanger77" <darrellg@...> wrote:

If you actually read the survey report at http://wizardofodds.com/slots/slotapx3.html, you see that he bases his opinion on testing and evidence, not just his feeling. So yes, I completely agree with him.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vppappy" <tismurph@> wrote:
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> (Q:) I've been told that if a casino's selection of video poker can be a good indication of their slot looseness..... > >
> (A:) I think that theory holds water. When I did my Las Vegas slot machine survey, I found the looseness of a casinos slots and video poker was highly correlated.
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> I'm not sure I agree with this myself, but Michael Shackleford is the expert. What do you guys think?