FPVP Players In Minority---support your local 99+% machine!

[Howard_Stern]

You may notice that most VP period at E. Chicago is less than full. Just
maybe some people have wised up with almost 300 full pay games about 1-1/4
miles away. What amazes me was looking at the eight 1c 100 plays yesterday
at the Majestic Star. As usual all eight were in use. Not one of them was
playing 9-6 BP Dlx. Almost all of them were on sub 98% versions of DDB, TDB
or DB2s.

[Original Message]
From: jaydavidson118 <jaydavidson118@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 4/18/2005 1:15:30 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: FPVP Players In Minority---support your local 99+%

machine!

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There is no doubt that vpFree members have a optimistic view of the
percentage of advantage or informed vp players. My favorite anecdotal
piece of evidence is at Harrah's East Chicago, which actually has 10
decent machines: 9/6 JOB, NSUD and 99.8% triple bonus and has this
bank of machines light with a big flashing sign "Over 99% payback"
right next to these machines are the same games with typical Harrah's
paytables some with a very small progressive...which machines are
heavily played...the crummy paytable machines the 99+% are rarely
full...I guess people demand bad pay schedules.

One more example: One machine at this same harrah's has 8/5 JOB and
8/5 bonus poker...I have seen people playing 8/5JOB over 8/5 bonus
WOW!

I suspect it is a very up-hill battle to educate the general vp
population. note: even when I pointed out the better pay-schedules of
same games people will often reply...this machine is lucky for me!

The key is to promote demand for 99+% machines where casinos make
money but players get a fair deal, particularly when comps are
included...100+% is just an abberation with limited long term
viability
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@v...>
wrote:
>
> Brian Lee wrote:
> >
> > Are there that few of us?
>
>
> There are, which is why entities such as Harrah's thrive despite an
> inventory of relatively poor vp paytables.
>
> It can be rationally arugued that the best thing that can happen is
> for casino players to gain a better grasp of vp paytables and how
play
> of stronger machines can extend their play. The stronger the
demand,
> the greater supply is likely to be.
>
> We just don't want those new players to play too "intelligently"
>
> - Harry

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[jaydavidson118]

You must have missed me, I was pounding away on bonus deluxe
yesterday for a fair chunk of time, too bad it wasn't a point
multiplier day. Several of the other games are close to 99%, like
9/7/5 db and 9/6 ddb. The person next to me was dealt four 4's on ddb
for a nice $500+ hit.

Did you play in the slot tournament? I got screwed over by the odd
rules, a fnatastic 5800 score put me in the final round, only to come
up short in the money round...oh well always next time!
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stern" <howard.w.stern@e...>
wrote:

You may notice that most VP period at E. Chicago is less than full.

Just

maybe some people have wised up with almost 300 full pay games

about 1-1/4

miles away. What amazes me was looking at the eight 1c 100 plays

yesterday

at the Majestic Star. As usual all eight were in use. Not one of

them was

playing 9-6 BP Dlx. Almost all of them were on sub 98% versions of

DDB, TDB

or DB2s.

> [Original Message]
> From: jaydavidson118 <jaydavidson118@y...>
> To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 4/18/2005 1:15:30 PM
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: FPVP Players In Minority---support your

local 99+%

machine!
>
>
>
> There is no doubt that vpFree members have a optimistic view of

the

> percentage of advantage or informed vp players. My favorite

anecdotal

> piece of evidence is at Harrah's East Chicago, which actually has

10

> decent machines: 9/6 JOB, NSUD and 99.8% triple bonus and has

this

> bank of machines light with a big flashing sign "Over 99%

payback"

> right next to these machines are the same games with typical

Harrah's

> paytables some with a very small progressive...which machines are
> heavily played...the crummy paytable machines the 99+% are rarely
> full...I guess people demand bad pay schedules.
>
> One more example: One machine at this same harrah's has 8/5 JOB

and

> 8/5 bonus poker...I have seen people playing 8/5JOB over 8/5

bonus

> WOW!
>
> I suspect it is a very up-hill battle to educate the general vp
> population. note: even when I pointed out the better pay-

schedules of

> same games people will often reply...this machine is lucky for me!
>
> The key is to promote demand for 99+% machines where casinos make
> money but players get a fair deal, particularly when comps are
> included...100+% is just an abberation with limited long term
> viability
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@v...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Brian Lee wrote:
> > >
> > > Are there that few of us?
> >
> >
> > There are, which is why entities such as Harrah's thrive

despite an

> > inventory of relatively poor vp paytables.
> >
> > It can be rationally arugued that the best thing that can

happen is

> > for casino players to gain a better grasp of vp paytables and

how

> play
> > of stronger machines can extend their play. The stronger the
> demand,
> > the greater supply is likely to be.
> >
> > We just don't want those new players to play

too "intelligently"

···

> >
> > - Harry
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