I am curious if any one prefers to play NSUD version of dueces wild
over the full pay version. I am assummng both versions are available
in the same casino for this question? It seems NSUD play is a litle
more interesting, but is it blasphemous to even consider it instead
of the full pay version. Just curious if the difference is EV stops
even the serious recreational player from that option.
Thanks,
Bob
FPDW yields about 100.76% to the perfect player, vs. 99.7% for NSUD,
so if both are available, the choice is pretty obvious.
To my mind, the NSUD strategy is more complex than that for FPDW; YMMV.
If you want a positive yet challenging game, you might try FPDB...
having to seriously consider three card straights and flushes gives me
dyspepsia.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "futrend" <futrend@y...> wrote:
I am curious if any one prefers to play NSUD version of dueces wild
over the full pay version. I am assummng both versions are available
in the same casino for this question? It seems NSUD play is a litle
more interesting, but is it blasphemous to even consider it instead
of the full pay version. Just curious if the difference is EV stops
even the serious recreational player from that option.Thanks,
Bob
I started playing NSUD over a year ago for EV per hour
reasons and haven't played FPDW since. I also prefer
NSUD strategy over FPDW strategy.
vpFREE Administrator
On 29 Nov 2004 at 18:34, futrend wrote:
I am curious if any one prefers to play NSUD version of dueces wild
over the full pay version. I am assummng both versions are available in
the same casino for this question? It seems NSUD play is a litle more
interesting, but is it blasphemous to even consider it instead of the
full pay version. Just curious if the difference is EV stops even the
serious recreational player from that option.
I am curious if any one prefers to play NSUD version of dueces
wild
over the full pay version. I am assummng both versions are
available
in the same casino for this question? It seems NSUD play is a
litle
more interesting, but is it blasphemous to even consider it
instead
of the full pay version. Just curious if the difference is EV
stops
even the serious recreational player from that option.
If you like to play multiline games (3X, 5X, etc.) then the only
Deuces games available are generally NSUD; in fact, that's kind or
hard to find: what you usually get is Ugly Ducks (15-9-4-4).
Also, for any denomination above quarters, NSUD is the best Deuces
game you will find.
The reason why a person may want to play NSUD is if the casino
offers enough cashback to push the play into positive territory;
this could happen on double points day at Coasts, for example, where
the .33% cashback, doubled, gives you .66% cashback, which takes the
EV of the game to 100.36% and is therefore worth, at 800 hands/hr, a
net return of $14+ per hour. This is better than .25 FPDW at a place
that offers no cashback (and there aren't any places left that
have .25 FPDW and any kind of decent cashback that I can remember).
Even playing double points at the Palms, that's .5% comps, and
considered at full value, and added to the EV of perfect play, still
only yields 101.26% return in cash and comps; at 800 hands/hr this
brings in about 12.50/hr, still inferior to the NSUD play.
It seems strange that it's more profitable at times to play a 99.7%
return game than a 100.7% game, but there it is.
BTW the NSUD strategy is very easy to learn IMHO as it's not quite
as penalty-card-intensive.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "futrend" <futrend@y...> wrote:
At Boulder Station, the fpdw requires $1 for 1 point and if you are
fast, you can earn 500 points per hour.
If you really NEED the points or WANT the points, the NSUD are
available in a triple play progressive, which is usually in a 100%+
situation. In the same hour, you can earn 3000 points. (usually at
considerable cost) unless luck favors you.
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:34:06 -0000, you wrote:
I am curious if any one prefers to play NSUD version of dueces wild
over the full pay version. I am assummng both versions are available
in the same casino for this question? It seems NSUD play is a litle
more interesting, but is it blasphemous to even consider it instead
of the full pay version. Just curious if the difference is EV stops
even the serious recreational player from that option.Thanks,
BobvpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
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Don't mean to criticize but isn't 100.36% of $1,000 only $3.60 and not
$14. Did I miss something?
Sam Town regulars get 0.4% on Thursdays, 0.5% Fridays and 0.6% on
Saturdays. Thay have FULL PAY 25c deuces among many other things.
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:51:33 -0000, you wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "futrend" <futrend@y...> wrote:
I am curious if any one prefers to play NSUD version of dueces
wild
over the full pay version. I am assummng both versions are
available
in the same casino for this question? It seems NSUD play is a
litle
more interesting, but is it blasphemous to even consider it
instead
of the full pay version. Just curious if the difference is EV
stops
even the serious recreational player from that option.
If you like to play multiline games (3X, 5X, etc.) then the only
Deuces games available are generally NSUD; in fact, that's kind or
hard to find: what you usually get is Ugly Ducks (15-9-4-4).Also, for any denomination above quarters, NSUD is the best Deuces
game you will find.The reason why a person may want to play NSUD is if the casino
offers enough cashback to push the play into positive territory;
this could happen on double points day at Coasts, for example, where
the .33% cashback, doubled, gives you .66% cashback, which takes the
EV of the game to 100.36% and is therefore worth, at 800 hands/hr, a
net return of $14+ per hour. This is better than .25 FPDW at a place
that offers no cashback (and there aren't any places left that
have .25 FPDW and any kind of decent cashback that I can remember).
Even playing double points at the Palms, that's .5% comps, and
considered at full value, and added to the EV of perfect play, still
only yields 101.26% return in cash and comps; at 800 hands/hr this
brings in about 12.50/hr, still inferior to the NSUD play.It seems strange that it's more profitable at times to play a 99.7%
return game than a 100.7% game, but there it is.BTW the NSUD strategy is very easy to learn IMHO as it's not quite
as penalty-card-intensive.vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
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Elliott,
I believe the $14.40 per hour comes from playing $1 denom instead of
quarters, so the coin in is $4,000 not $1,000.
Chris
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Elliott L. Shapiro <videopoker@m...>
wrote:
Don't mean to criticize but isn't 100.36% of $1,000 only $3.60 and
not
$14. Did I miss something?
Sam Town regulars get 0.4% on Thursdays, 0.5% Fridays and 0.6% on
Saturdays. Thay have FULL PAY 25c deuces among many other things.>
>
>>
>> I am curious if any one prefers to play NSUD version of
dueces
>wild
>> over the full pay version. I am assummng both versions are
>available
>> in the same casino for this question? It seems NSUD play is a
>litle
>> more interesting, but is it blasphemous to even consider it
>instead
>> of the full pay version. Just curious if the difference is EV
>stops
>> even the serious recreational player from that option.
>>
>If you like to play multiline games (3X, 5X, etc.) then the only
>Deuces games available are generally NSUD; in fact, that's kind
or
>hard to find: what you usually get is Ugly Ducks (15-9-4-4).
>
>Also, for any denomination above quarters, NSUD is the best
Deuces
>game you will find.
>
>The reason why a person may want to play NSUD is if the casino
>offers enough cashback to push the play into positive territory;
>this could happen on double points day at Coasts, for example,
where
>the .33% cashback, doubled, gives you .66% cashback, which takes
the
>EV of the game to 100.36% and is therefore worth, at 800
hands/hr, a
>net return of $14+ per hour. This is better than .25 FPDW at a
place
>that offers no cashback (and there aren't any places left that
>have .25 FPDW and any kind of decent cashback that I can
remember).
>Even playing double points at the Palms, that's .5% comps, and
>considered at full value, and added to the EV of perfect play,
still
>only yields 101.26% return in cash and comps; at 800 hands/hr
this
>brings in about 12.50/hr, still inferior to the NSUD play.
>
>It seems strange that it's more profitable at times to play a
99.7%
>return game than a 100.7% game, but there it is.
>
>BTW the NSUD strategy is very easy to learn IMHO as it's not
quite
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:51:33 -0000, you wrote:
>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "futrend" <futrend@y...> wrote:
>as penalty-card-intensive.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
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If you are looking for another high yield game with more complexity, try full pay Jokers, it is more fun IMHO .
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From: futrend
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 1:34 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] FPDW vs NSUD
I am curious if any one prefers to play NSUD version of dueces wild
over the full pay version. I am assummng both versions are available
in the same casino for this question? It seems NSUD play is a litle
more interesting, but is it blasphemous to even consider it instead
of the full pay version. Just curious if the difference is EV stops
even the serious recreational player from that option.
Thanks,
Bob
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The DEC lunch will be @ Main Street Station on
Monday 20 DEC @ 11:30 AM.
FAQ #55:
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On 29 Nov 2004 at 21:22, Les Silber wrote:
Do we have a date and location for the next VPFREE Luncheon.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Elliott L. Shapiro <videopoker@m...>
wrote:
Don't mean to criticize but isn't 100.36% of $1,000 only $3.60 and
not
$14. Did I miss something?
Yes, I was comparing $1 single-line NSUD to .25 FPDW. My point was
that the "negative EV" dollar NSUD was actually the more profitable
of the two games in certain situations.
800 hands/hr=$4000 coin/in X 0.0036=$14.40
Sorry. Meant to say $2 per point
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:51:06 -0800, you wrote:
At Boulder Station, the fpdw requires $1 for 1 point and if you are
fast, you can earn 500 points per hour.
If you really NEED the points or WANT the points, the NSUD are
available in a triple play progressive, which is usually in a 100%+
situation. In the same hour, you can earn 3000 points. (usually at
considerable cost) unless luck favors you.On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:34:06 -0000, you wrote:
I am curious if any one prefers to play NSUD version of dueces wild
over the full pay version. I am assummng both versions are available
in the same casino for this question? It seems NSUD play is a litle
more interesting, but is it blasphemous to even consider it instead
of the full pay version. Just curious if the difference is EV stops
even the serious recreational player from that option.Thanks,
BobvpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
Yahoo! Groups Links
vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
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