I'm thinking of learning FPDW, what bankroll is recommended when playing?
Currently I play JoB, bankroll of 3-5 Royals, so maybe a comparison of
the two games would be helpful.
Thanks in advance.
FPDW bankroll
of the two games would be helpful.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Eric <fieldcommand@g...> wrote:
Currently I play JoB, bankroll of 3-5 Royals, so maybe a comparison
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Same bankroll for FPDW I'd imagine. With the JOB game, one day, your
bankroll would be gone as it's a negative game.
Eric wrote:
I'm thinking of learning FPDW, what bankroll is recommended when
playing?
Currently I play JoB, bankroll of 3-5 Royals, so maybe a comparison of
the two games would be helpful.
Thanks in advance.
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Here's a summary statement from the Dunbar Math Boy VP ROR link under
Bankroll Links at vpFREE.
Thus, to play with a 5% RoR on a quarter machine which requires 5
coins, we would need $1.25 x 4,626.7 = $5,784. A $1 machine would
require $5 x 4,626.7 = $23,134.
I take $1,500 for the weekend when playing FPDW .25. Usually works out
fine.
Brian
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jeffcole2003oct" <jeff-cole@c...>
wrote:
Eric wrote:
I'm thinking of learning FPDW, what bankroll is recommended when
playing?
Currently I play JoB, bankroll of 3-5 Royals, so maybe a comparison
of
the two games would be helpful.
Thanks in advance.Here's a summary statement from the Dunbar Math Boy VP ROR link
under
···
Bankroll Links at vpFREE.
Thus, to play with a 5% RoR on a quarter machine which requires 5
coins, we would need $1.25 x 4,626.7 = $5,784. A $1 machine would
require $5 x 4,626.7 = $23,134.
What time frame are you thinking about? There are big differences
in bankroll requirements between longterm and short-term play.
There is no bankroll big enough to sustain endless JOB play, unless
you have enough cashback or other benefits to make the game positive
EV. FPDW is different in that regard.
But for short-term play, FPDW requires a bigger bankroll.
Say you want to play 20 hours of one 25c game or the other, and you
play 400 hands/hr. With a $700 bankroll, you'd have just a 2%
chance of going broke playing JOB. But with FPDW, you'd have a 5%
RoR.
I got those figures using Dunbar's Risk Analyzer for Video Poker.
Assumptions were: no cashback, tipping, or player errors.
If you had some other length-of-play or cashback situation in mind,
I'll be glad to run those numbers.
--Dunbar
I'm thinking of learning FPDW, what bankroll is recommended when
playing?
Currently I play JoB, bankroll of 3-5 Royals, so maybe a
comparison of
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Eric <fieldcommand@g...> wrote:
the two games would be helpful.
Thanks in advance.
$2900 gives you a 95% chance of hitting the Royal before going broke.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric" <fieldcommand@gmail.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:17 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] FPDW bankroll
I'm thinking of learning FPDW, what bankroll is recommended when playing?
Currently I play JoB, bankroll of 3-5 Royals, so maybe a comparison of
the two games would be helpful.Thanks in advance.
However, $2900 leaves you with a 22% chance of going broke
eventually. If you want a 95% chance that you would never go broke
playing 25c FPDW, then you need a bankroll of $5750. (I round up to
the nearest $50). If you make the occasional play error that costs
you say half a bet an hour (62.5 cents every 400 hands), then that
bankroll requirement jumps to $7000.
--Dunbar
$2900 gives you a 95% chance of hitting the Royal before going
broke.
From: "Eric" <fieldcommand@g...>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:17 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] FPDW bankroll> I'm thinking of learning FPDW, what bankroll is recommended when
playing?
>
> Currently I play JoB, bankroll of 3-5 Royals, so maybe a
comparison of
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tomflush" <tomflush@n...> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
> the two games would be helpful.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
what about low risk over 4000 hands?
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On 12/18/05, dunbar_dra <h_dunbar@hotmail.com> wrote:
However, $2900 leaves you with a 22% chance of going broke
eventually. If you want a 95% chance that you would never go broke
playing 25c FPDW, then you need a bankroll of $5750. (I round up to
the nearest $50). If you make the occasional play error that costs
you say half a bet an hour (62.5 cents every 400 hands), then that
bankroll requirement jumps to $7000.--Dunbar
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tomflush" <tomflush@n...> wrote:
>
> $2900 gives you a 95% chance of hitting the Royal before going
broke.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric" <fieldcommand@g...>
> To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:17 PM
> Subject: [vpFREE] FPDW bankroll
>
>
> > I'm thinking of learning FPDW, what bankroll is recommended when
playing?
> >
> > Currently I play JoB, bankroll of 3-5 Royals, so maybe a
comparison of
> > the two games would be helpful.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> >
>vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
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the risk of ruin before hitting a royal or the ducks is
0.996091071035381 which means the 50% bankroll is 177 bets or $221 on
5 coin quarters, the 10% bankroll is 588 bets or $735 on 5 coin
quarters, keeping in the mind that the ducks return 200 bets in this game
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Eric <fieldcommand@g...> wrote:
what about low risk over 4000 hands?
On 12/18/05, dunbar_dra <h_dunbar@h...> wrote:
> However, $2900 leaves you with a 22% chance of going broke
> eventually. If you want a 95% chance that you would never go broke
> playing 25c FPDW, then you need a bankroll of $5750. (I round up to
> the nearest $50). If you make the occasional play error that costs
> you say half a bet an hour (62.5 cents every 400 hands), then that
> bankroll requirement jumps to $7000.
>
> --Dunbar
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tomflush" <tomflush@n...> wrote:
> >
> > $2900 gives you a 95% chance of hitting the Royal before going
> broke.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Eric" <fieldcommand@g...>
> > To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:17 PM
> > Subject: [vpFREE] FPDW bankroll
> >
> >
> > > I'm thinking of learning FPDW, what bankroll is recommended when
> playing?
> > >
> > > Currently I play JoB, bankroll of 3-5 Royals, so maybe a
> comparison of
> > > the two games would be helpful.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
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what about low risk over 4000 hands?
What's "low risk"? For some, low risk might be 10% RoR. For others
it might be 0.1%. Anyway, here are some figures.
For 4000 hands, I get these results from Dunbar's Risk Analyzer for
Video Poker:
Bankroll $400 $500 $600
RoR 11% 3% 0.7%
Double 19% 14% 11%
"Double" is the chance that you double the starting bankroll at some
point during the 4000 hands (even if you end up below that level).
On a relatively short play like this, making small play errors (say
a cost of 1/2 bet per hour) doesn't affect the RoR much. None of
the RoR's above would change by more than 1%.
--Dunbar
> However, $2900 leaves you with a 22% chance of going broke
> eventually. If you want a 95% chance that you would never go
broke
> playing 25c FPDW, then you need a bankroll of $5750. (I round
up to
> the nearest $50). If you make the occasional play error that
costs
> you say half a bet an hour (62.5 cents every 400 hands), then
that
> bankroll requirement jumps to $7000.
>
> --Dunbar
>
>
> >
> > $2900 gives you a 95% chance of hitting the Royal before going
> broke.
> >
> > From: "Eric" <fieldcommand@g...>
> > To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:17 PM
> > Subject: [vpFREE] FPDW bankroll
> >
> >
> > > I'm thinking of learning FPDW, what bankroll is recommended
when
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Eric <fieldcommand@g...> wrote:
On 12/18/05, dunbar_dra <h_dunbar@h...> wrote:
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tomflush" <tomflush@n...> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> playing?
> > >
> > > Currently I play JoB, bankroll of 3-5 Royals, so maybe a
> comparison of
> > > the two games would be helpful.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Eric wrote:
I'm thinking of learning FPDW, what bankroll is recommended when
playing?
Currently I play JoB, bankroll of 3-5 Royals, so maybe a comparison
of the two games would be helpful.
Thanks in advance.
jeffcole2003oct replied:
====================================================
Here's a summary statement from the Dunbar Math Boy VP ROR link
under Bankroll Links at vpFREE.
Thus, to play with a 5% RoR on a quarter machine which requires 5
coins, we would need $1.25 x 4,626.7 = $5,784. A $1 machine would
require $5 x 4,626.7 = $23,134.
A couple of comments. If you apply a .2%-.3% cb rate to FPDW, then
the bankroll requirement that Jeff notes is reduced even further.
Typically, as a rule of thump, the FPDW bankroll is described as being
3 to 5 RF.
Concerning Eric's original post, his statement of playing JB on a
bankroll of 3-5 Royals is puzzling. I assume he's only a very casual
player since otherwise I would have thought this bankroll considerably
inadequate to see one through a decent number of sessions. After all,
you're playing with a loss expectation (most likely, even after adding
cashback). You build no cushion over time to act as a cushion against
the ravages of game volatility (the thing that's a tremendous buffer
in FPDW and permits such a relatively low bankroll for play).
In short, to Eric, over time you should find much more confort with
any given bankroll playing FPDW than Jacks. However, because deuces
is a significantly more volatile game (particularly if you don't hit
the 4 ducks over an extended time), I stake myself more strongly for a
FPDW session/trip than I do JB.
- Harry
I was thinking of for short term sessions, so actually these numbers
give me a good idea, but are those right for $0.25 full coin?
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On 12/18/05, dunbar_dra <h_dunbar@hotmail.com> wrote:
For 4000 hands, I get these results from Dunbar's Risk Analyzer for
Video Poker:Bankroll $400 $500 $600
RoR 11% 3% 0.7%
Double 19% 14% 11%"Double" is the chance that you double the starting bankroll at some
point during the 4000 hands (even if you end up below that level).On a relatively short play like this, making small play errors (say
a cost of 1/2 bet per hour) doesn't affect the RoR much. None of
the RoR's above would change by more than 1%.--Dunbar
>
>
I was thinking of for short term sessions, so actually these
numbers
give me a good idea, but are those right for $0.25 full coin?
Yes, those are the correct figures for 4000 hands of 5-coin $0.25
Deuces Wild.
--Dunbar
>
> For 4000 hands, I get these results from Dunbar's Risk Analyzer
for
> Video Poker:
>
> Bankroll $400 $500 $600
> RoR 11% 3% 0.7%
> Double 19% 14% 11%
>
> "Double" is the chance that you double the starting bankroll at
some
> point during the 4000 hands (even if you end up below that
level).
>
> On a relatively short play like this, making small play errors
(say
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Eric <fieldcommand@g...> wrote:
On 12/18/05, dunbar_dra <h_dunbar@h...> wrote:
> a cost of 1/2 bet per hour) doesn't affect the RoR much. None of
> the RoR's above would change by more than 1%.
>
> --Dunbar
>
> >
> >
>
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jeffcole2003oct" <jeff-cole@c...>
wrote:
Here's a summary statement from the Dunbar Math Boy VP ROR link
under
Bankroll Links at vpFREE.
Thus, to play with a 5% RoR on a quarter machine which requires 5
coins, we would need $1.25 x 4,626.7 = $5,784. A $1 machine would
require $5 x 4,626.7 = $23,134.
Jeff, when MathBoy and I wrote that article, we used some hand
frequencies that were only accurate to 3 or 4 digits. The
polynomial risk equation magnified those round-off errors into a 1%
error in the bankrolls. By using hand frequencies (from WinPoker)
with more significant digits, the resulting Bankrolls should be
accurate to at least 5 significant digits.
Therefore, if I could re-write the piece you quoted, I'd write:
"Thus, to play with a 5% RoR on a quarter machine which requires 5
coins, we would need $1.25 x 4586 = $5,733. A $1 machine would
require $5 x 4586 = $22,929."
A 1% difference in bankroll requirement is insignificant to anyone
but a mathematician. But I thought I'd make the correction in case
any of the mathematicians noted the difference!
--Dunbar