David,
I think your approach makes sense. The key is having some leverage so casinos
have an incentive to certify or document that their VP is random. An alliance
with a columnist, publication or some forum with leverage/readership is
critical. With the proliferation of Indian and non regulated casinos I would think
this would be a concern in numerous areas besides New England. Maybe casinos
that document their VP machines as random could be listed in publications as
having Las Vegas VP which would be reserved for casinos that have random draw
poker. For my part, I'd be willing to assist in any process that would help
determine the true randomness of the VP at Indian Casinos.
This weekend I'll be heading back to Mohegan, for dinner at Rain, the Simon
and Garfunkle concert and a night at the hotel. All this will be free in
addition to what my wife spends in the stores there. However, the truth is that I
will likely pay for it several times by the time I leave their VP machines.
Joel
In a message dated 11/26/2003 12:27:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
d_richheimer@yahoo.com writes:
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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, joel0457@a... wrote:
>I've tried to find out the answer to this for a while. It may be a
>coincidence but for my 3-4 trips a year to Las Vegas and my trips
to A/C, I'm ahead year
>to year for several years. In CT, I can't shove the bills in fast
enough.
>
>I was there this weekend and played the slots in the new poker
room. It's a
>the best addition to Mohegan since they opened. Probably 40+ full
pay $1 slant
>tops, approx 20 have full pay pick em. They also have short pay 9/6
DB and 7/5
>BP. I can't tell you how many 4 to a SfF and 4 to a royal was dealt
without
>pulling either. I felt like I was playing a 777 slot. I lost $2800
playing Fri,
>Sat and Sun (no winning sessions) playing the JOB and BP.
>
>To determine whether they have the authority to change the chip in
the VP
>machine, I think you would need to read the Compact signed between
the state of
>CT and Mohegan and Foxwoods and the separate law that was passed
authorizing
>slots. Any lawyers in the group.
>
>Joel
>
>
>Joel, I couldn't find anything in the Compact or authorizing
legislation requiring that each card be equally likely to appear in
vp. As peelaneat25 stated (post 18)"David, I posed that same question to the gaming comission at
Mohegan, they looked at me like I was from outer space, and told me
to play higher denomination games that my odds were better. I told
them that they missed the point of my question, to which they said,
that was all they knew."I have considered this issue and this is my take. A casino in a non-
regulated jurisdiction, might possibly install or have installed
weighted chips(ala slots). If this were done there would be a
limited, but not insignificant number of personel, who were aware of
the installation (machine mechanics, executives, etc.) There would
always be the chance of a disgruntled former employee spilling the
beans. However, the casino could always say they were unaware of the
substituted chips, they were unaware of the Nevada regulations and in
any event they never represented that each card would be equally
likey to appear in VP. Thus the affair could be spun as merely a
misunderstanding.What I would like to propose is that a letter be written and signed
jointly by the heads of the major player associations and magazines
(including our esteemed moderator) asking that in order to recomend
vp venues and to further the growth of the game, the casino agree to
henceforth abide by the pertinent Nevada regulation. This letter
should be sent to all casinos in unregulated jurisdictions (and where
applicable one copy to the CEO and one to the tribal comission).
Casinos may be preasured to sign, estecially if it is disclosed who
signed and who didn't. Furthermore once a casino signed such an
undertaking, they would have no more "wriggle room", and if an
incident came to light it would be percieved as cheating which could
compromise the entire franchise value of the casino. I doubt that any
profitable casino would risk this.If this proposed solution if of organizational interest, I would be
happy to assist in the drafting of such letter.David
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