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#1

I've tried to find out the answer to this for a while. It may be a
coincidence but for my 3-4 trips a year to Las Vegas and my trips to A/C, I'm ahead year
to year for several years. In CT, I can't shove the bills in fast enough.

I was there this weekend and played the slots in the new poker room. It's a
the best addition to Mohegan since they opened. Probably 40+ full pay $1 slant
tops, approx 20 have full pay pick em. They also have short pay 9/6 DB and 7/5
BP. I can't tell you how many 4 to a SfF and 4 to a royal was dealt without
pulling either. I felt like I was playing a 777 slot. I lost $2800 playing Fri,
Sat and Sun (no winning sessions) playing the JOB and BP.

To determine whether they have the authority to change the chip in the VP
machine, I think you would need to read the Compact signed between the state of
CT and Mohegan and Foxwoods and the separate law that was passed authorizing
slots. Any lawyers in the group.

Joel

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#2

I've tried to find out the answer to this for a while. It may be a
coincidence but for my 3-4 trips a year to Las Vegas and my trips

to A/C, I'm ahead year

to year for several years. In CT, I can't shove the bills in fast

enough.

I was there this weekend and played the slots in the new poker

room. It's a

the best addition to Mohegan since they opened. Probably 40+ full

pay $1 slant

tops, approx 20 have full pay pick em. They also have short pay 9/6

DB and 7/5

BP. I can't tell you how many 4 to a SfF and 4 to a royal was dealt

without

pulling either. I felt like I was playing a 777 slot. I lost $2800

playing Fri,

Sat and Sun (no winning sessions) playing the JOB and BP.

To determine whether they have the authority to change the chip in

the VP

machine, I think you would need to read the Compact signed between

the state of

CT and Mohegan and Foxwoods and the separate law that was passed

authorizing

slots. Any lawyers in the group.

Joel

Joel, I couldn't find anything in the Compact or authorizing

legislation requiring that each card be equally likely to appear in
vp. As peelaneat25 stated (post 18)

"David, I posed that same question to the gaming comission at
Mohegan, they looked at me like I was from outer space, and told me
to play higher denomination games that my odds were better. I told
them that they missed the point of my question, to which they said,
that was all they knew."

I have considered this issue and this is my take. A casino in a non-
regulated jurisdiction, might possibly install or have installed
weighted chips(ala slots). If this were done there would be a
limited, but not insignificant number of personel, who were aware of
the installation (machine mechanics, executives, etc.) There would
always be the chance of a disgruntled former employee spilling the
beans. However, the casino could always say they were unaware of the
substituted chips, they were unaware of the Nevada regulations and in
any event they never represented that each card would be equally
likey to appear in VP. Thus the affair could be spun as merely a
misunderstanding.

What I would like to propose is that a letter be written and signed
jointly by the heads of the major player associations and magazines
(including our esteemed moderator) asking that in order to recomend
vp venues and to further the growth of the game, the casino agree to
henceforth abide by the pertinent Nevada regulation. This letter
should be sent to all casinos in unregulated jurisdictions (and where
applicable one copy to the CEO and one to the tribal comission).
Casinos may be preasured to sign, estecially if it is disclosed who
signed and who didn't. Furthermore once a casino signed such an
undertaking, they would have no more "wriggle room", and if an
incident came to light it would be percieved as cheating which could
compromise the entire franchise value of the casino. I doubt that any
profitable casino would risk this.

If this proposed solution if of organizational interest, I would be
happy to assist in the drafting of such letter.

David

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, joel0457@a... wrote:

#3

Sounds like a good idea.

I would certainly support any such effort, although I don't have
time to get too actively involved. If someone is willing to carry
the ball, they are welcome to do so under vpFREE's umbrella,
if that seems advisable.

vpFREE Administrator

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On 26 Nov 2003 at 2:35, d_richheimer wrote:

What I would like to propose is that a letter be written and signed
jointly by the heads of the major player associations and magazines
(including our esteemed moderator) asking that in order to recomend vp
venues and to further the growth of the game, the casino agree to
henceforth abide by the pertinent Nevada regulation.

#4

To determine whether they have the authority to change the chip in

the VP

machine, I think you would need to read the Compact signed between

the state of

CT and Mohegan and Foxwoods and the separate law that was passed

authorizing

slots. Any lawyers in the group.

Joel

I guess the same arguement could be used here as always.
If this were the case (allowed by the state), they could put in Hi
Paying chips, have casino personel play them when this is done,
syphon off large profits, and return to the state smaller monthly
contributions (which are based on Gross winnings).
This is the same reason some states supposedly don't allow over 100%
slots or VP. I say supposedly because it seems if the total return of
all games present on multi-games is under 100%, it qualifies, even
though one or 2 games could be over??? But, overnite chip changing is
still forbidden.
My feeling has always been, either you have faith or not. If you
don't, then don't play uncomfortable. I feel the same way, when I'm
winning, all is well. When I'm losing rapidly, I suspect they are
cheating??? But, I let my common sense overcome. Also, it's a lot
easier to digest at the Quarter level (which I am) than dollars..
HUMAN NATURE..

Just my opinion,
Rick(RI)

#5

What I would like to propose is that a letter be written and signed
jointly by the heads of the major player associations and magazines
(including our esteemed moderator) asking that in order to recomend
vp venues and to further the growth of the game, the casino agree

to

henceforth abide by the pertinent Nevada regulation. This letter
should be sent to all casinos in unregulated jurisdictions (and

where

applicable one copy to the CEO and one to the tribal comission).
Casinos may be preasured to sign, estecially if it is disclosed who
signed and who didn't.

The only people who wouldn't show up if they didn't, are us
advantaged VP players..
I think the Casinos could care less....
I know I would care less if I owned either of the 2 largest and most
successful casions in the world... My best offering would probably be
8/5 JB.
Competition breeds good VP, there is none in CT..
Don't take me wrong, I love Good VP, used to spend 40 plus hours a
week at the FOX when they had Quarter AA, along with 1.25% comps.
Did VERY well. Used to sell my points at half price to friends for
Rooms, Bingo and Shows. This required me to show up (I was usually
there anyway), so limited it to $100 dollar minumums.
The good old days..

IMHO
Rick(RI)