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Foxwoods NSUD:Can I get a tiny bit of help from someone with VP software?

#1

I have a problem with vpfree2 listing 99%+ games but less than 100% as good games. They are not. Any game with under 100%
return is a bad game. Even games like 15-11 deuces, 9-5 double joker, full pay super aces, 16-10 ugly deuces, 9-6 jacks or better
are bad games. I realize they may be the best games avalible but they are still bad games and should not be listed. I would make an
exception if the cash back brings it to over 100%.There are plenty of 10-7 double bonus, 10-6 DDB, full pay deuces etc to list.
I know my suggestion probably will fall on deaf ears with the vpfree2 administrator, I am expressing my opinion only. One last thought,
if over 99% games are still listed do not call games with under 100% return as "good". Leave the "good" title to the over 100% games.
Thank you for listening to me.

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#2

My 2 cents. I use vpfree2 to find the "best" game at the casino I am at. I am a low budget guy, so I want to play the VP that should allow me to lose the slowest. I dont like slots, so even if the "best" is a 96% machine, it would still be better than NOT playing anything

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On May 29, 2013, at 9:57 AM, "nordo123@aol.com" <Nordo123@aol.com> wrote:

I have a problem with vpfree2 listing 99%+ games but less than 100% as good games. They are not. Any game with under 100%
return is a bad game. Even games like 15-11 deuces, 9-5 double joker, full pay super aces, 16-10 ugly deuces, 9-6 jacks or better
are bad games. I realize they may be the best games avalible but they are still bad games and should not be listed. I would make an
exception if the cash back brings it to over 100%.There are plenty of 10-7 double bonus, 10-6 DDB, full pay deuces etc to list.
I know my suggestion probably will fall on deaf ears with the vpfree2 administrator, I am expressing my opinion only. One last thought,
if over 99% games are still listed do not call games with under 100% return as "good". Leave the "good" title to the over 100% games.
Thank you for listening to me.

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#3

"There are plenty of 10-7 double bonus, 10-6 DDB, full pay deuces etc to list."

For the Eastern half of the US, could you tell me which casinos offer the above games
especially in dollars or above? (And perhaps the Western half too other than
Nevada?)

To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: Nordo123@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 10:57:17 -0400
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Foxwoods NSUD:Can I get a tiny bit of help from someone with VP software?

I have a problem with vpfree2 listing 99%+ games but less than 100% as good games. They are not. Any game with under 100%
return is a bad game. Even games like 15-11 deuces, 9-5 double joker, full pay super aces, 16-10 ugly deuces, 9-6 jacks or better
are bad games. I realize they may be the best games avalible but they are still bad games and should not be listed. I would make an
exception if the cash back brings it to over 100%.There are plenty of 10-7 double bonus, 10-6 DDB, full pay deuces etc to list.
I know my suggestion probably will fall on deaf ears with the vpfree2 administrator, I am expressing my opinion only. One last thought,
if over 99% games are still listed do not call games with under 100% return as "good". Leave the "good" title to the over 100% games.
Thank you for listening to me.

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#4

I completely agree with this. If I am going to a new casino I like VPFree to list whatever the best game there is....even if it is "bad"
Most often if you are going to a casino you don't know, it is because you are traveling or meeting someone else there. "Nothing good" is no help at all and a waste of time IMHO as then I will wander around looking for something to play. If a 96% game is listed as their best game at least I know where to set my expectations! I know many won't play at this level...but I'm with five300 if I'm there for a few hours I'm probably going to play something......

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, 5 <five300s@...> wrote:

My 2 cents. I use vpfree2 to find the "best" game at the casino I am at. I am a low budget guy, so I want to play the VP that should allow me to lose the slowest. I dont like slots, so even if the "best" is a 96% machine, it would still be better than NOT playing anything

#5

LOL Yep. Horseshoe Hammond has 40(SF)/10/6 DDB (99.96%) for dollars and higher as well as 15/11 DW44 and 8/5 Super Aces, Council Bluffs has 40/10/6 DDB for dollars, and so does Soaring Eagle and Ojibwa Baraga in Michigan. 47.8(SF&5-K)/10/7 DB (99.79%) exists at Casino Queen in Illinois for $1,$2. Full 10/6 DDB, 10/7 DB, and Deuces (and any game > 100%) are ILLEGAL in Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, and many other states not named Nevada.

If we follow what he is suggesting, we would have to rename the forum "VPFree2: Off-strip Vegas". I also don't think he considers slot club benefits either.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, kelso 1600 <kelso1600@...> wrote:

"There are plenty of 10-7 double bonus, 10-6 DDB, full pay deuces etc to list."

For the Eastern half of the US, could you tell me which casinos offer the above games
especially in dollars or above? (And perhaps the Western half too other than
Nevada?)

> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> From: Nordo123@...
> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 10:57:17 -0400
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Foxwoods NSUD:Can I get a tiny bit of help from someone with VP software?
>
>
> I have a problem with vpfree2 listing 99%+ games but less than 100% as good games. They are not. Any game with under 100%
> return is a bad game. Even games like 15-11 deuces, 9-5 double joker, full pay super aces, 16-10 ugly deuces, 9-6 jacks or better
> are bad games. I realize they may be the best games avalible but they are still bad games and should not be listed. I would make an
> exception if the cash back brings it to over 100%.There are plenty of 10-7 double bonus, 10-6 DDB, full pay deuces etc to list.
> I know my suggestion probably will fall on deaf ears with the vpfree2 administrator, I am expressing my opinion only. One last thought,
> if over 99% games are still listed do not call games with under 100% return as "good". Leave the "good" title to the over 100% games.
> Thank you for listening to me.

#6

Or, for that matter, the whole of the LV Strip.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, kelso 1600 <kelso1600@...> wrote:

"There are plenty of 10-7 double bonus, 10-6 DDB, full pay deuces etc to list."

For the Eastern half of the US, could you tell me which casinos offer the above games
especially in dollars or above? (And perhaps the Western half too other than
Nevada?)

> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> From: Nordo123@...
> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 10:57:17 -0400
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Foxwoods NSUD:Can I get a tiny bit of help from someone with VP software?
>
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> I have a problem with vpfree2 listing 99%+ games but less than 100% as good games. They are not. Any game with under 100%
> return is a bad game. Even games like 15-11 deuces, 9-5 double joker, full pay super aces, 16-10 ugly deuces, 9-6 jacks or better
> are bad games. I realize they may be the best games avalible but they are still bad games and should not be listed. I would make an
> exception if the cash back brings it to over 100%.There are plenty of 10-7 double bonus, 10-6 DDB, full pay deuces etc to list.
> I know my suggestion probably will fall on deaf ears with the vpfree2 administrator, I am expressing my opinion only. One last thought,
> if over 99% games are still listed do not call games with under 100% return as "good". Leave the "good" title to the over 100% games.
> Thank you for listening to me.
>
>
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> vpFREE Links: http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1955/20228/V/Links.htm
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#7

nordo wrote: I have a problem with vpfree2 listing 99%+ games but less than 100% as good games. They are not. Any game with under 100% return is a bad game. Even games like 15-11 deuces, 9-5 double
joker, full pay super aces, 16-10 ugly deuces, 9-6 jacks or better are bad games.

I disagree. Granting the assumption that less-than-100% gambling opportunities are unplayable (which I agree with but clearly some folks on here do not. I'll comment on that in my next post.), the key thing to be concerned with is (game return + slot club return + mailers + promotions) exceed 100%. Any of the games you listed with the right slot club and/or promotion can be excellent and profitable games to play --- and excellent means better than good.

Bob

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#8

"....and excellent means better than good."

It is condescending statements such as this, which make some people dislike
Bob Dancer.

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On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Bob Dancer <bobdancervp@hotmail.com> wrote:

nordo wrote: I have a problem with vpfree2 listing 99%+ games but less
than 100% as good games. They are not. Any game with under 100% return is a
bad game. Even games like 15-11 deuces, 9-5 double
joker, full pay super aces, 16-10 ugly deuces, 9-6 jacks or better are
bad games.

I disagree. Granting the assumption that less-than-100% gambling
opportunities are unplayable (which I agree with but clearly some folks on
here do not. I'll comment on that in my next post.), the key thing to be
concerned with is (game return + slot club return + mailers + promotions)
exceed 100%. Any of the games you listed with the right slot club and/or
promotion can be excellent and profitable games to play --- and excellent
means better than good.

Bob

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#9

Luke wrote: "....and excellent means better than good."

It is condescending statements such as this, which make some people dislike

Bob Dancer.

Within the context of the post, I believe my statement made sense. My post moved the conversation along. The OP was talking about good games only being over 100%. I've experienced games like 9/6 Jacks or Better with an $800/hour expectation because of slot club and promotions. Next weekend I'll be playing 9/6 DDB with a positive expectation about that size. I call these situation far better than "good." And saying so is hardly "condescending."

It's difficult for me to understand how Luke's post was informative or helpful to anyone. It's his right not to like me --- and he has exercised that right repeatedly on this forum. But doesn't it make more sense to go Dancer-bashing when I've actually said something out of line?

Bob

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#10

I would say that is some "MOST EXCELLENT!!!" EV. You're going to be twittering your location and progress, correct? Seems like there should be a twitter feed for "where is Bob Dancer playing this weekend". Free is always nice, but you know, some people might even be willing to pay for this information. Actually, probably anybody in their right mind should be willing to pay something, it's just a question of the details.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bob Dancer <bobdancervp@...> wrote:

Luke wrote: "....and excellent means better than good."

It is condescending statements such as this, which make some people dislike

Bob Dancer.

Within the context of the post, I believe my statement made sense. My post moved the conversation along. The OP was talking about good games only being over 100%. I've experienced games like 9/6 Jacks or Better with an $800/hour expectation because of slot club and promotions. Next weekend I'll be playing 9/6 DDB with a positive expectation about that size. I call these situation far better than "good." And saying so is hardly "condescending."

It's difficult for me to understand how Luke's post was informative or helpful to anyone. It's his right not to like me --- and he has exercised that right repeatedly on this forum. But doesn't it make more sense to go Dancer-bashing when I've actually said something out of line?

Bob

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#11

I used to play "follow the hustler" all the time. Whenever I would see someone that I knew was a stone cold advantage player I would ask myself "what's he doing in THIS casino?" I knew something had to be up so I would follow along to see where they were going. I found some pretty good plays that way. Nowadays, I have to be careful that I'M no being followed.

But I don't think I would have to try to follow Bob on this $800 an hour play as I'm about 99.99% sure that my bankroll don't fit the play.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:

I would say that is some "MOST EXCELLENT!!!" EV. You're going to be twittering your location and progress, correct? Seems like there should be a twitter feed for "where is Bob Dancer playing this weekend". Free is always nice, but you know, some people might even be willing to pay for this information. Actually, probably anybody in their right mind should be willing to pay something, it's just a question of the details.

#12

Condescending? Nonsense!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Luke Fuller <kungalooosh@...> wrote:

"....and excellent means better than good."

It is condescending statements such as this, which make some people dislike
Bob Dancer.