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Foxwoods NSUD:Can I get a tiny bit of help from someone with VP software?

#1

I've taken to playing (recreationaly only so don't jump on me please) a progressive quarter NSUD game at Foxwoods. It is 97.06 at reset and the paytable is:
1-2-3-4-4-9-12-20-200-800

3 questions.

1. Are there any major (no penalty cards please) variations with NSUD?

2. What is the correct no deuce 2 card royal hold (over razgu) in this game at reset? I'll take any penalty card distinction.

3. At what point (these are quarter progressive machines) does it become the right play to hold an ace high 2 card no deuce royal? I'll take the penalty card numbers on this one too.
Thanks in advance

#2

First off this game is nowhere near NSUD it is VUD, Very ugly ducks. The return on this game at reset is %97.0554.

I would advise you to get hold of a tutorial program to do the in depth analysis that you seek.
There is a free one still available at Jim Wolf's website .

http://www.wolfvideopoker.com/FVP.htm

Regards

A.P.

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From: mike <melbedewy1226@hotmail.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:48:16 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Foxwoods NSUD:Can I get a tiny bit of help from someone with VP software?

I've taken to playing (recreationaly only so don't jump on me please) a progressive quarter NSUD game at Foxwoods. It is 97.06 at reset and the paytable is:
1-2-3-4-4-9-12-20-200-800

3 questions.

1. Are there any major (no penalty cards please) variations with NSUD?

2. What is the correct no deuce 2 card royal hold (over razgu) in this game at reset? I'll take any penalty card distinction.

3. At what point (these are quarter progressive machines) does it become the right play to hold an ace high 2 card no deuce royal? I'll take the penalty card numbers on this one too.
Thanks in advance

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#3

Just as a little history on the nomenclature here... First there was full pay deuces and then around the same time Foxwood casino, Illinois, and the LV airport came up with a reduced schedule basically with 3/4/4/9/15/25 structure, significantly worse than FP deuces. The tags Foxwood deuces, Illinois deuces , and Ugly ducks came about to describe this pay schedule. These machines were always packed at Foxwoods, very hard to get on a a machine. Even though the Casino was making a steady 1 -3 % on this action, they decided to get greedy and reduced the schedule further to what I would call Ugly Foxwood Deuces or UFD. Please don’t patronize this game its an insult to Deuces players everywhere , I'm still pissed at them taking out the FD's years ago.
best...Tom

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-----Original Message----- From: Albert Pearson
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 10:20 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Foxwoods NSUD:Can I get a tiny bit of help from someone with VP software?

First off this game is nowhere near NSUD it is VUD, Very ugly ducks. The return on this game at reset is %97.0554.

I would advise you to get hold of a tutorial program to do the in depth analysis that you seek.
There is a free one still available at Jim Wolf's website .

http://www.wolfvideopoker.com/FVP.htm

Regards

A.P.

________________________________
From: mike <melbedewy1226@hotmail.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:48:16 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Foxwoods NSUD:Can I get a tiny bit of help from someone with VP software?

I've taken to playing (recreationaly only so don't jump on me please) a progressive quarter NSUD game at Foxwoods. It is 97.06 at reset and the paytable is:
1-2-3-4-4-9-12-20-200-800

3 questions.

1. Are there any major (no penalty cards please) variations with NSUD?

2. What is the correct no deuce 2 card royal hold (over razgu) in this game at reset? I'll take any penalty card distinction.

3. At what point (these are quarter progressive machines) does it become the right play to hold an ace high 2 card no deuce royal? I'll take the penalty card numbers on this one too.
Thanks in advance

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#4

Actually the "Illinois" structure was first introduced at the Four Queens several years before it appeared in IL and the airport. However the Four Queens version required only 4 quarters per hand and the royal paid the full $1,000 so that is a better but still sub 100% game.

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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of tomflush@nyc.rr.com
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:32 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Foxwoods NSUD:Can I get a tiny bit of help from someone with VP software?

Just as a little history on the nomenclature here... First there was full
pay deuces and then around the same time Foxwood casino, Illinois, and the
LV airport came up with a reduced schedule basically with 3/4/4/9/15/25
structure, significantly worse than FP deuces. The tags Foxwood deuces,
Illinois deuces , and Ugly ducks came about to describe this pay schedule.
These machines were always packed at Foxwoods, very hard to get on a a
machine. Even though the Casino was making a steady 1 -3 % on this action,
they decided to get greedy and reduced the schedule further to what I would
call Ugly Foxwood Deuces or UFD. Please don’t patronize this game its an
insult to Deuces players everywhere , I'm still pissed at them taking out
the FD's years ago.
best...Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: Albert Pearson
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 10:20 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Foxwoods NSUD:Can I get a tiny bit of help from
someone with VP software?

First off this game is nowhere near NSUD it is VUD, Very ugly ducks. The
return on this game at reset is %97.0554.

I would advise you to get hold of a tutorial program to do the in depth
analysis that you seek.
There is a free one still available at Jim Wolf's website .

http://www.wolfvideopoker.com/FVP.htm

Regards

A.P.

________________________________
From: mike <melbedewy1226@hotmail.com <mailto:melbedewy1226%40hotmail.com> >
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:48:16 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Foxwoods NSUD:Can I get a tiny bit of help from someone
with VP software?

I've taken to playing (recreationaly only so don't jump on me please) a
progressive quarter NSUD game at Foxwoods. It is 97.06 at reset and the
paytable is:
1-2-3-4-4-9-12-20-200-800

3 questions.

1. Are there any major (no penalty cards please) variations with NSUD?

2. What is the correct no deuce 2 card royal hold (over razgu) in this game
at reset? I'll take any penalty card distinction.

3. At what point (these are quarter progressive machines) does it become the
right play to hold an ace high 2 card no deuce royal? I'll take the penalty
card numbers on this one too.
Thanks in advance

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#5

These are the kind of answers I was looking to NOT get.
These Foxwoods Deuces are the best quarter Deuces within 1000 miles of my house so when my wife drags me there once a month that is what I play. Even the 97.06%, at reset, is a whole lot better than the 89% penny bandits she, and most people there, play. The top shelf booze is free. The hotel room is free. The pool and jacuzzi are free. The comps, CB and promotions are exceedingly generous and I'm a net winner at the game.
Beats the shit out of flying back and forth to LV every month for FPDW and 10/6, JOB which I did for over a decade. Not at my age baby. No way and no how.
I appreciate the link to the free software but I try not to download any more programs to my already slowed down laptop.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <tomflush@...> wrote:

Just as a little history on the nomenclature here... First there was full
pay deuces and then around the same time Foxwood casino, Illinois, and the
LV airport came up with a reduced schedule basically with 3/4/4/9/15/25
structure, significantly worse than FP deuces. The tags Foxwood deuces,
Illinois deuces , and Ugly ducks came about to describe this pay schedule.
These machines were always packed at Foxwoods, very hard to get on a a
machine. Even though the Casino was making a steady 1 -3 % on this action,
they decided to get greedy and reduced the schedule further to what I would
call Ugly Foxwood Deuces or UFD. Please don’t patronize this game its an
insult to Deuces players everywhere , I'm still pissed at them taking out
the FD's years ago.
best...Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: Albert Pearson
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 10:20 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Foxwoods NSUD:Can I get a tiny bit of help from
someone with VP software?

First off this game is nowhere near NSUD it is VUD, Very ugly ducks. The
return on this game at reset is %97.0554.

I would advise you to get hold of a tutorial program to do the in depth
analysis that you seek.
There is a free one still available at Jim Wolf's website .

http://www.wolfvideopoker.com/FVP.htm

Regards

A.P.

________________________________
From: mike <melbedewy1226@...>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:48:16 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Foxwoods NSUD:Can I get a tiny bit of help from someone
with VP software?

I've taken to playing (recreationaly only so don't jump on me please) a
progressive quarter NSUD game at Foxwoods. It is 97.06 at reset and the
paytable is:
1-2-3-4-4-9-12-20-200-800

3 questions.

1. Are there any major (no penalty cards please) variations with NSUD?

2. What is the correct no deuce 2 card royal hold (over razgu) in this game
at reset? I'll take any penalty card distinction.

3. At what point (these are quarter progressive machines) does it become the
right play to hold an ace high 2 card no deuce royal? I'll take the penalty
card numbers on this one too.
Thanks in advance

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#6

If you offer to pay for the answer you'll likely find a taker.

If you want free answers you have to ask questions that are interesting to
knowledgeable people. Your particular questions are unlikely to interest
such people since there's no +EV potential in the answer.

Ed

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On May 24, 2013 9:13 AM, "mike" <melbedewy1226@hotmail.com> wrote:

**

These are the kind of answers I was looking to NOT get.
These Foxwoods Deuces are the best quarter Deuces within 1000 miles of my
house so when my wife drags me there once a month that is what I play. Even
the 97.06%, at reset, is a whole lot better than the 89% penny bandits she,
and most people there, play. The top shelf booze is free. The hotel room is
free. The pool and jacuzzi are free. The comps, CB and promotions are
exceedingly generous and I'm a net winner at the game.
Beats the shit out of flying back and forth to LV every month for FPDW and
10/6, JOB which I did for over a decade. Not at my age baby. No way and no
how.
I appreciate the link to the free software but I try not to download any
more programs to my already slowed down laptop.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <tomflush@...> wrote:
>
> Just as a little history on the nomenclature here... First there was
full
> pay deuces and then around the same time Foxwood casino, Illinois, and
the
> LV airport came up with a reduced schedule basically with 3/4/4/9/15/25
> structure, significantly worse than FP deuces. The tags Foxwood deuces,
> Illinois deuces , and Ugly ducks came about to describe this pay
schedule.
> These machines were always packed at Foxwoods, very hard to get on a a
> machine. Even though the Casino was making a steady 1 -3 % on this
action,
> they decided to get greedy and reduced the schedule further to what I
would
> call Ugly Foxwood Deuces or UFD. Please don’t patronize this game its
an
> insult to Deuces players everywhere , I'm still pissed at them taking
out
> the FD's years ago.
> best...Tom
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Albert Pearson
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 10:20 AM
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Foxwoods NSUD:Can I get a tiny bit of help from
> someone with VP software?
>
> First off this game is nowhere near NSUD it is VUD, Very ugly ducks. The
> return on this game at reset is %97.0554.
>
> I would advise you to get hold of a tutorial program to do the in depth
> analysis that you seek.
> There is a free one still available at Jim Wolf's website .
>
>
> http://www.wolfvideopoker.com/FVP.htm
>
> Regards
>
>
> A.P.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: mike <melbedewy1226@...>
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:48:16 AM
> Subject: [vpFREE] Foxwoods NSUD:Can I get a tiny bit of help from
someone
> with VP software?
>
>
> I've taken to playing (recreationaly only so don't jump on me please) a
> progressive quarter NSUD game at Foxwoods. It is 97.06 at reset and the
> paytable is:
> 1-2-3-4-4-9-12-20-200-800
>
> 3 questions.
>
> 1. Are there any major (no penalty cards please) variations with NSUD?
>
> 2. What is the correct no deuce 2 card royal hold (over razgu) in this
game
> at reset? I'll take any penalty card distinction.
>
> 3. At what point (these are quarter progressive machines) does it become
the
> right play to hold an ace high 2 card no deuce royal? I'll take the
penalty
> card numbers on this one too.
> Thanks in advance
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> vpFREE Links: http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1955/20228/V/Links.htm
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

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#7

Why don't you use:

http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/calculator/

Which hands are progressive? If it's just the royal you likely have nowhere near the bankroll to play, but if you do you should use the min-cost-royal strategy, to get it set the royal to the amount that gives a breakeven game, something like 2000, in which case it seems pretty obvious that 2RF-A would be a hold.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:

I've taken to playing (recreationaly only so don't jump on me please) a progressive quarter NSUD game at Foxwoods. It is 97.06 at reset and the paytable is:
1-2-3-4-4-9-12-20-200-800

3 questions.

1. Are there any major (no penalty cards please) variations with NSUD?

2. What is the correct no deuce 2 card royal hold (over razgu) in this game at reset? I'll take any penalty card distinction.

3. At what point (these are quarter progressive machines) does it become the right play to hold an ace high 2 card no deuce royal? I'll take the penalty card numbers on this one too.
Thanks in advance

#8

Here is the strategy chart for the game. You will have to do your own comparisons to NSUD.

Have fun

  DEUCES WILD
  VPSM Basic Strategy
   STRATEGY NO DEUCE
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   \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-

800.0000 Pat Royal
19.2340 4 Royal
9.0000 Pat Straight Flush
4.6809 Four of a Kind
4.0000 Pat Full House
3.0000 Pat Flush
2.0000 Pat Straight
1.8511 Three of a Kind
1.7447 4 STFL, Open, 3456s to 9TJQs
1.5319 4 STFL, Inside
1.2988 3 Royal
0.7660 4 Flush
0.6809 Two Pair
0.5467 3 STFL, Open, 567s-9TJs
0.5434 One Pair
0.5106 4 ST, Open, but not 3456
0.4857 3 STFL, 1 Gap, 7-Q High
0.4857 456s
0.4579 345s
0.4135 3 STFL, 2 Gaps, 7-K High
0.4080 346s, 356s
0.3703 JTs
0.3581 QTs, QJs
0.3405 3456
0.3404 4 ST, Inside, but not A345
0.3312 A34s, A35s, A45s
0.3260 KQs, KJs, KTs
0.3167 Redraw
STRATEGY ONE DEUCE
------------------
20.0000 Pat Wild Royal
12.0000 Pat Five of a Kind
9.0000 Pat Straight Flush
4.6809 Four of a Kind
4.0000 Pat Full House
3.4681 4 Wild Royal, Queen Hi
3.2128 4 Wild Royal, King Hi
3.0000 Pat Flush
2.9574 4 Wild Royal, Ace Hi
2.3404 4 STFL, Open, 2-567s to 2-9TJs
2.0851 2-345s, 2-456s
2.0851 4 STFL, 1 Gap, 7-Q High
2.0000 Pat Straight
1.8511 Three of a Kind
1.7872 4 STFL, 2 Gaps, 7-K High
1.7872 2-346s, 2-356s
1.5957 2-A34s, 2-A35s, 2-A45s
1.2655 2-JTs
1.1739 2-QJs, 2-QTs
1.1184 3 STFL, Open, 2-67s to 2-9Ts
1.0953 2-KQs, 2-KJs, 2-KTs
1.0342 3 STFL, 1 Gap, 2-57s to 2-9Js
1.0268 2-56s
1.0213 2-AKs,2-AQs,2-AJs,2-ATs
1.0000 4 ST, Open
0.9946 Deuce Only
STRATEGY TWO DEUCES
-------------------
20.0000 Pat Wild Royal
12.0000 Pat Five of a Kind
9.0000 Pat Straight Flush
4.6809 Four of a Kind
4.0851 4 Wild Royal
3.2766 4 STFL, Open, 22-45s to 22-9Ts
3.1064 4 STFL, 1 Gap,22-57s to 22-9Js
3.0000 Pat Flush
2.9562 Two Deuces Only
STRATEGY THREE DEUCES
---------------------
20.0000 Pat Wild Royal
13.8529 Three Deuces Only
STRATEGY FOUR DEUCES
--------------------
200.0000 Pat Four Deuces
PAYTABLE
----------------------------
Royal Flush 800.00
Four Deuces 200.00
Wild Royal 20.00
Five of a Kind 12.00
Straight Flush 9.00
Four of a Kind 4.00
Full House 4.00
Flush 3.00
Straight 2.00
Three of Kind 1.00

Regards

A.P.

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#9

" These Foxwoods Deuces are the best quarter Deuces within 1000 miles of my house "

Simply not True... AC is only an extra 180 miles away, yet they have
a. Taj... ugly ducks 99.0
b. Borgata... super bonus deuces ( 98.9)

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#10

Are these single play in quarters? How come they're not listed in the database?

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Simply not True... AC is only an extra 180 miles away, yet they have
a. Taj... ugly ducks 99.0
b. Borgata... super bonus deuces ( 98.9)

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#11

Personally I think they should be listed. Some VPFree2 posters and some moderators have a bad habit, imo, of not reporting/adding 9/6 DDB (98.98%) and "Illinois Deuces" (98.91%) because they technically aren't 99%. They definitely should be added if they have an STP-like bonus bet as well, imo. But some don't care that 9/6 DDB is the best paying version of the most popular video poker game virtually everywhere outside Nevada and few other locations. I reported that Horseshoe Tunica had 9/6 DDB with "Build a Wheel" recently for 5 play 5c/10c/25c (99.11% with Build a Wheel). The moderator threw it in there as a comment and left Horseshoe Tunica with a "Nothing Good" status, which I disagree with. The machines I reported play 2% higher than the rest of the casino though...*blech*

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robert" <barton454@...> wrote:

Are these single play in quarters? How come they're not listed in the database?

>
> Simply not True... AC is only an extra 180 miles away, yet they have
> a. Taj... ugly ducks 99.0
> b. Borgata... super bonus deuces ( 98.9)
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> vpFREE Links: http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1955/20228/V/Links.htm
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

#12

VPFREE2 database lists 9/6 DDB as full pay (Oh for the good old days).

STP 9/6 DDB is ~99.3% (Personal favorite after a jackpot on good VP).
Double STP 9/6 DDB is ~99.5%. Will play after 2 jackpots :slight_smile:

Heading to Vegas on Monday. Still a number of 10/6 DDB machines.
Arms are starting to itch.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas V" <tringlomane@...> wrote:

Personally I think they should be listed. Some VPFree2 posters and some moderators have a bad habit, imo, of not reporting/adding 9/6 DDB (98.98%) and "Illinois Deuces" (98.91%) because they technically aren't 99%. They definitely should be added if they have an STP-like bonus bet as well, imo. But some don't care that 9/6 DDB is the best paying version of the most popular video poker game virtually everywhere outside Nevada and few other locations. I reported that Horseshoe Tunica had 9/6 DDB with "Build a Wheel" recently for 5 play 5c/10c/25c (99.11% with Build a Wheel). The moderator threw it in there as a comment and left Horseshoe Tunica with a "Nothing Good" status, which I disagree with. The machines I reported play 2% higher than the rest of the casino though...*blech*

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robert" <barton454@> wrote:
>
> Are these single play in quarters? How come they're not listed in the database?
>
> >
> > Simply not True... AC is only an extra 180 miles away, yet they have
> > a. Taj... ugly ducks 99.0
> > b. Borgata... super bonus deuces ( 98.9)
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > vpFREE Links: http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1955/20228/V/Links.htm
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>

#13

How are you today?
Just dropping a side thought. I'll bet you are over 40 - 50 years old.
How would I make that guess? Of course, I have been known to be wrong and I'm older than that.

Cheers Jeep

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:

2. What is the correct no deuce 2 card royal hold (over razgu) in this game at reset? I'll take any penalty card distinction.

#14

I don't frequent Borgata but I've certainly never seen that game at the Taj in 20 years going there. Not in the database at either place. Are they new?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <tomflush@...> wrote:

-----Original Message-----

" These Foxwoods Deuces are the best quarter Deuces within 1000 miles of my
house "

Simply not True... AC is only an extra 180 miles away, yet they have
a. Taj... ugly ducks 99.0
b. Borgata... super bonus deuces ( 98.9)

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#15

1 play up to 10 play. They are in the database and have been for quite a while.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robert" <barton454@...> wrote:

Are these single play in quarters? How come they're not listed in the database?

>
> Simply not True... AC is only an extra 180 miles away, yet they have
> a. Taj... ugly ducks 99.0
> b. Borgata... super bonus deuces ( 98.9)
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> vpFREE Links: http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1955/20228/V/Links.htm
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

#16

I don't see any deuces games in the database for Taj or Borg.

http://www.vpfree2.com/casino/trump-taj-mahal

http://www.vpfree2.com/casino/borgata

If it's the game that pays 2000 for deuces and an ace, I've seen those at Borg, but don't know about Taj.

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1 play up to 10 play. They are in the database and have been quite a while.

#17

Douglas V wrote:

Personally I think they should be listed. Some VPFree2 posters and some
moderators have a bad habit, imo, of not reporting/adding 9/6 DDB (98.98%)
and "Illinois Deuces" (98.91%) because they technically aren't 99%. They
definitely should be added if they have an STP-like bonus bet as well, imo.
But some don't care that 9/6 DDB is the best paying version of the most
popular video poker game virtually everywhere outside Nevada and few other
locations. I reported that Horseshoe Tunica had 9/6 DDB with "Build a Wheel"
recently for 5 play 5c/10c/25c (99.11% with Build a Wheel). The moderator
threw it in there as a comment and left Horseshoe Tunica with a "Nothing
Good" status, which I disagree with. The machines I reported play 2% higher
than the rest of the casino though...*blech*

My only current involvement with the vpFREE2 database is as a
moderator for a few casinos. I was the administrator of the former
database for seven years, before the current site owner took over in
2009. I'm going to address your post and copy the vpFREE2 site owner
in case he has something to add.

First, I think the 9/6 DDB at the Horseshoe Tunica definitely should
have been added to the vpFREE2 games list since that would be the best
game there. That casino has a monitor and maybe the monitor did not
know how to show a game like Build a Wheel.

I suggest that in a case like this when you are dissatisfied with how
your update has been handled, that you click on "Contact Us" on
vpFREE2 and let the site owner know about the situation. I'm sure he
would address your concerns as soon as he can.

As far as including 98.98% 9/6 DDB and 98.91% Deuces Wild at all
casinos, vpFREE2 does not list all video poker games, just the best
ones. It's usually better not to list games with low paytables if
there are many better ones available at the same denomination.

But this is a gray area and I can think of many exceptions like
specialty games such as STP and QQ that boost the return above the
base game's return. Also progressives since they are almost always
higher than reset. When I submit an update, I usually just leave it up
to the monitor or site owner to decide which games are playable and
should be included.

I hope no one abandons vpFREE2.com even though some things aren't
being done exactly as we would wish. We all benefit from supporting
the database.

vpFREE Forum Administrator

#18

vpFREE Administrator

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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Cc: vpFREE2 Administration
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Foxwoods NSUD:Can I get a tiny bit of help from
someone with VP software?

  This brings up an interesting point.

I am currently monitoring two properties in the Chicago Area for vpfree2.

One of them has several dozen 99%+ games all the way up to 99.92%.

For that property I list all 99%+ games, 9-6 DDB, 10-6-5 DDB STP (The STP
gimmick moves it over 99%)

and several sub 99% at reset progressives (One bank is over 99% more often
than not and over 100% about 1/4 of the time. Two other banks are $1 9-6-5
DB with a 1% meter that is under 99% most of the time but after I snapped
off a 100% level royal a couple of years ago, I felt I had to include it.).

I do not list Illinois Deuces for this property because 16-10 NSUD is
available on the property at 25c/50c/$1/$5.

The second property has no 99%+ video poker.

For this property I list all games between 98.8% and 99.0%.

This includes 9-6 DDB and Illinois Deuces.

It also includes four versions of Big Split that are between 98.8% and 99%

Also include 8-6 BP Dlx Dbl STP as that gimmick brings this game to almost
99%.

Howard W. Stern

Douglas V wrote:

Personally I think they should be listed. Some VPFree2 posters and some
moderators have a bad habit, imo, of not reporting/adding 9/6 DDB (98.98%)
and "Illinois Deuces" (98.91%) because they technically aren't 99%. They
definitely should be added if they have an STP-like bonus bet as well,

imo.

But some don't care that 9/6 DDB is the best paying version of the most
popular video poker game virtually everywhere outside Nevada and few other
locations. I reported that Horseshoe Tunica had 9/6 DDB with "Build a

Wheel"

recently for 5 play 5c/10c/25c (99.11% with Build a Wheel). The moderator
threw it in there as a comment and left Horseshoe Tunica with a "Nothing
Good" status, which I disagree with. The machines I reported play 2%

higher

than the rest of the casino though...*blech*

vpFREE Forum Administrator

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#19

"... I'm still pissed at them taking out the FD's years ago.
best Tom..."

FW also took out the FP All American machines. Saw them at the Paiute fireworks shop halfway between Vegas and Mesquite. That must have been 25 years ago!

I got over it. You should too :slight_smile:

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <tomflush@...> wrote:

Just as a little history on the nomenclature here... First there was full
pay deuces and then around the same time Foxwood casino, Illinois, and the
LV airport came up with a reduced schedule basically with 3/4/4/9/15/25
structure, significantly worse than FP deuces. The tags Foxwood deuces,
Illinois deuces , and Ugly ducks came about to describe this pay schedule.
These machines were always packed at Foxwoods, very hard to get on a a
machine. Even though the Casino was making a steady 1 -3 % on this action,
they decided to get greedy and reduced the schedule further to what I would
call Ugly Foxwood Deuces or UFD. Please don’t patronize this game its an
insult to Deuces players everywhere , I'm still pissed at them taking out
the FD's years ago.
best...Tom

#20

No worries, I still plan to scout when I am free, especially for STP games since those are my favorite. I think St. Tropez could also been right here, it's possible the moderator didn't know how to switch the casino's "Nothing Good" status off. This was the only casino I have reported where "Nothing Good" was active.

[snipped]

I hope no one abandons vpFREE2.com even though some things aren't
being done exactly as we would wish. We all benefit from supporting
the database.

vpFREE Forum Administrator

This I totally agree with. If there is 99%+ poker at the same denominations, then you can argue leaving out 98.91% DW or 9/6 (98.98%) DDB since there are better options. Although I would consider posting either these games if this is the best version of that game available. This is a bigger issue with 9/6 DDB. I post on a generic Vegas forum as well, and many of the questions are "Where are the best DDB games?" If you ignore 9/6 DDB, you shut out 95% of the casinos nationwide for a DDB listing, the most popular video poker game by miles in the country!! I'm not saying everyone ignores 9/6 DDB, Keep up the good work, btw! Chicagoland listings are quite well-kept, imo.

And yes, most of the games I have been reporting lately are usually 9/6 DDB or 98.91% Deuces with some type of gimmick to boost it above 99%.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vpFREE Administrator <vpfree3355@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pyiddy" <pyiddy@...> wrote:

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
vpFREE Administrator
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:21 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Cc: vpFREE2 Administration
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Foxwoods NSUD:Can I get a tiny bit of help from
someone with VP software?

  This brings up an interesting point.

I am currently monitoring two properties in the Chicago Area for vpfree2.

One of them has several dozen 99%+ games all the way up to 99.92%.

For that property I list all 99%+ games, 9-6 DDB, 10-6-5 DDB STP (The STP
gimmick moves it over 99%)

and several sub 99% at reset progressives (One bank is over 99% more often
than not and over 100% about 1/4 of the time. Two other banks are $1 9-6-5
DB with a 1% meter that is under 99% most of the time but after I snapped
off a 100% level royal a couple of years ago, I felt I had to include it.).

I do not list Illinois Deuces for this property because 16-10 NSUD is
available on the property at 25c/50c/$1/$5.

The second property has no 99%+ video poker.

For this property I list all games between 98.8% and 99.0%.

This includes 9-6 DDB and Illinois Deuces.

It also includes four versions of Big Split that are between 98.8% and 99%

Also include 8-6 BP Dlx Dbl STP as that gimmick brings this game to almost
99%.

Howard W. Stern