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Four to a Royal Promos

#1

Four to a Royal promos are starting to pop up in Laughlin. The Avi does one
and now the Pioneer is rolling out a new promo for them this month.

So how often do we end up with four to a royal after a completion of a hand,
say on Jacks 9/6 playing optimum ER strategy? Are there commicial products
that can be used to come up with this frequency?

I took a glimpse through the Bob Dancer old articles and a Title didn't jump
out at me that addresses this topic. Didn't Terribles and others run a four
to a royal promo?

The Avi gives you a drawing ticket for getting close.

The Pioneer is going to post a card to help you fill out a royal and you get
some cash from $25-500. No other details are in the monthly flyer, like if it
is a specific suit. I am sure the details will be available at the slot club.

Just trying to figure another promo out.

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#2

GRAYTLEEGRAY wrote:

The Pioneer is going to post a card to help you fill out a royal and

you get

some cash from $25-500. No other details are in the monthly flyer,

like if it

is a specific suit. I am sure the details will be available at the

slot club.

Just trying to figure another promo out.

Here is my interpretation of the online description of this promo:

It looks like on certain days the casino will post one of the 20 cards
that can be used to make a RF. Lets assume they pick the Ace of spades.
If you are dealt the TJQK of spades and catch the Ace... then you
collect the bonus.

Here is the link to the promo description:
http://www.pioneerlaughlin.com/pioneercasinooctober2007specials.htm
<http://www.pioneerlaughlin.com/pioneercasinooctober2007specials.htm>

Don't sell the farm to pump up your bankroll for this baby!

Gamb00ler

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#3

Wow, this promo is worse than the four of a kind coupon I recieved
from the palms yesterday.

GRAYTLEEGRAY wrote:

> The Pioneer is going to post a card to help you fill out a royal

and

you get
> some cash from $25-500. No other details are in the monthly

flyer,

like if it
> is a specific suit. I am sure the details will be available at

the

slot club.
>
> Just trying to figure another promo out.

Here is my interpretation of the online description of this promo:

It looks like on certain days the casino will post one of the 20

cards

that can be used to make a RF. Lets assume they pick the Ace of

spades.

If you are dealt the TJQK of spades and catch the Ace... then you
collect the bonus.

Here is the link to the promo description:
http://www.pioneerlaughlin.com/pioneercasinooctober2007specials.htm

<http://www.pioneerlaughlin.com/pioneercasinooctober2007specials.htm>

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Don't sell the farm to pump up your bankroll for this baby!

Gamb00ler

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#4

This reminds me of a Frontier royal promo a long time ago. Ya had to
get a 4kd As thru 10s. Complete all 5 4kds, get your card signed and
I believe you got a jacket. However, the royal thing might have been
a cash bonus. Jacket thing might have been just getting 4 aces?
Can't remember exactly; must be that "old timers" disease. I still
have some new jackets now; 20 years later. As I recall we had a lot
of fun with this goofy promo.

Cheers...Jeep
.
.

Wow, this promo is worse than the four of a kind coupon I recieved
from the palms yesterday.

>
>
> GRAYTLEEGRAY wrote:
>
> > The Pioneer is going to post a card to help you fill out a

royal

and
> you get
> > some cash from $25-500. No other details are in the monthly
flyer,
> like if it
> > is a specific suit. I am sure the details will be available

at

the
> slot club.
> >
> > Just trying to figure another promo out.
>
> Here is my interpretation of the online description of this

promo:

>
> It looks like on certain days the casino will post one of the 20
cards
> that can be used to make a RF. Lets assume they pick the Ace of
spades.
> If you are dealt the TJQK of spades and catch the Ace... then you
> collect the bonus.
>
> Here is the link to the promo description:
>

http://www.pioneerlaughlin.com/pioneercasinooctober2007specials.htm

>

<http://www.pioneerlaughlin.com/pioneercasinooctober2007specials.htm>

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "gamb00ler" <gamb00ler@> wrote:
>
> Don't sell the farm to pump up your bankroll for this baby!
>
> Gamb00ler
>
>
>
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>

#5

Four to a Royal promos are starting to pop up in Laughlin. The Avi

does one

and now the Pioneer is rolling out a new promo for them this month.

So how often do we end up with four to a royal after a completion

of a hand,

say on Jacks 9/6 playing optimum ER strategy? Are there commicial

products

that can be used to come up with this frequency?

I took a glimpse through the Bob Dancer old articles and a Title

didn't jump

out at me that addresses this topic. Didn't Terribles and others

run a four

to a royal promo?

The Avi gives you a drawing ticket for getting close.

The Pioneer is going to post a card to help you fill out a royal

and you get

some cash from $25-500. No other details are in the monthly flyer,

like if it

is a specific suit. I am sure the details will be available at the

slot club.

Just trying to figure another promo out.

Bluestreak<BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR>

See what's new at

http://www.aol.com</HTML>

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Four to a royal occurs about every 460 hands when playing 9/6 JOB
properly. A little less often than a four of a kind.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, GRAYTLEEGRAY@... wrote:

#6

Four to a royal occurs about every 460 hands when playing 9/6 JOB
properly. A little less often than a four of a kind.

That doesn't sound right to me. Presumably, you keep every 4 to the
royal, except a few KQJT9s pat straight flushes. There is a 1 in 47
chance of completing the royal from a 4-to-the, so that would mean a
royal every 460*47 = 21,620 hands. Plus royals from 3-to-the-royals,
2-to-the-royals, some high cards, and the occasional deal royal. That
would make the royal cycle way too short.

I'm too lazy to do the calculation, but your figure fails my sanity check.

Of course, I may have my figures wrong... if so, please point out the
problem.

M.

#7

Maybe he meant 1 in every 460 hands after the hand has been
completed, i.e. after the draw.

Just a thought.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Van Emmerik" <emmerik@...>
wrote:

> Four to a royal occurs about every 460 hands when playing 9/6

JOB

> properly. A little less often than a four of a kind.

That doesn't sound right to me. Presumably, you keep every 4 to the
royal, except a few KQJT9s pat straight flushes. There is a 1 in 47
chance of completing the royal from a 4-to-the, so that would mean

a

royal every 460*47 = 21,620 hands. Plus royals from 3-to-the-

royals,

2-to-the-royals, some high cards, and the occasional deal royal.

That

would make the royal cycle way too short.

I'm too lazy to do the calculation, but your figure fails my

sanity check.

Of course, I may have my figures wrong... if so, please point out

the

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problem.

M.

#8

Maybe he meant 1 in every 460 hands after the hand has been
completed, i.e. after the draw.

Just a thought.

OOps, yes, that seems likely. Sorry!

I which case, I'm still confused as to how this is supposed to work.
Say you are dealt three to the royal, let's say clubs, and you draw
one royal card and one rag, say the three of hearts. Do you look at
the card on the wall and say "Aha! If that 3 of hearts was actually
that jack of clubs on the wall, I'd have made my royal", and get the
100 coin bonus then?

So you need to complete to a 4 to the royal of the right suit, and
missing the card of the right rank, to win the bonus? I see some are
hoping that the suit isn't important. That would be nice, but I doubt
it. With the suit requirement, that's a one-in-460 event times
one-in-four (matching the suit) times one-in-five (matching the rank)
equals one in 9200, about five per royal, or about half as often as
quad deuces, and half the payoff too. By my calculations, this adds
just over 1% to the EV. If it is true that this bonus pays 100 bets
(i.e. if playing 5 coins per bet, bonus is 500 coins), that adds about
100/9200*100% = 1.09% to EV. That turns 9/6 jacks played perfectly
from about 99.54% to about 100.63%, plus other benefits (if any),
minus mistakes. You might be able to do better if you adjust the
strategy a bit, e.g. if the card of the day is the king of clubs, you
might keep QcJcTc over QQ, or Ac over AcKh.

M.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Van Emmerik" <emmerik@>
wrote:
>
> > Four to a royal occurs about every 460 hands when playing 9/6
JOB
> > properly. A little less often than a four of a kind.
>
> That doesn't sound right to me. Presumably, you keep every 4 to the
> royal, except a few KQJT9s pat straight flushes. There is a 1 in 47
> chance of completing the royal from a 4-to-the, so that would mean
a
> royal every 460*47 = 21,620 hands. Plus royals from 3-to-the-
royals,
> 2-to-the-royals, some high cards, and the occasional deal royal.
That
> would make the royal cycle way too short.
>
> I'm too lazy to do the calculation, but your figure fails my
sanity check.
>
> Of course, I may have my figures wrong... if so, please point out
the
> problem.
>
> M.
>

#9

You might be able to do better if you adjust the
strategy a bit, e.g. if the card of the day is the king of clubs, you
might keep QcJcTc over QQ ...

Actually, if my figures are right, three to the royals have about a 4%
chance of drawing the one card needed to hit the bonus, adding 4 to
the EV (of about 1.5) of such deals. That would make it right to break
QJT9s 4-card straight flushes, break pat straights (QcJcTc9x8x, x not
clubs), and so on.

It wouldn't happen often, of course, but still. Let's see what the
actual rules are.

Also, I said that these would happen about 5 per royal cycle; it's
actually about 4.4 per royal cycle. (Sorry, I haven't played Jacks or
Better for a long time.)

M.

#10

If I remember correctly, in the Tuscany 4 to the royal promotion, it
had to be a non-paying hand. Example: If your final hand was Ah-Kh-Jh-
Th-4c you got the bonus, but if the final hand was Ah-Kh-Jh-Th-4h you
did not get the bonus because it is a paying hand.

Does your statistic (460 hands) reflect this? Is that how often you
would make a non-paying 4 card royal or does it include all 4 card
royals?

By the way, Tuscany got smashed on this promotion. I was told that
they did pull down the 50 cent and 25 cent denom the day after I found
it. They put a sign on the slot club desk that said "We Give Up!"

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "drich295" <drichards@...> wrote:

Four to a royal occurs about every 460 hands when playing 9/6 JOB
properly. A little less often than a four of a kind.

#11

>

If it is true that this bonus pays 100 bets

(i.e. if playing 5 coins per bet, bonus is 500 coins),

A 100 coin bonus is only 20 bets.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Van Emmerik" <emmerik@...> wrote:

#12

Right. So if you do have to match the suit as well as the rank, this
will be worth about 0.2%. Perhaps a bit more with stragegy
adjustments, but surely no more than 0.25%.

Sorry, I don't know where I got the idea that it was ever 100 bets.

M.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Van Emmerik" <emmerik@> wrote:
>
> >
If it is true that this bonus pays 100 bets
> (i.e. if playing 5 coins per bet, bonus is 500 coins),
>

A 100 coin bonus is only 20 bets.

#13

>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Van Emmerik" <emmerik@>

wrote:

> >
> > >
> If it is true that this bonus pays 100 bets
> > (i.e. if playing 5 coins per bet, bonus is 500 coins),
> >
>
> A 100 coin bonus is only 20 bets.

Right. So if you do have to match the suit as well as the rank, this
will be worth about 0.2%. Perhaps a bit more with stragegy
adjustments, but surely no more than 0.25%.

Sorry, I don't know where I got the idea that it was ever 100 bets.

M.

Also, the Tuscany promotion was for any non-paying 4 card royal. All
four suits qualified. If a promotion were to come up where only one
suit played it would just be a matter of multiplying the frequency by
4.

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