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Four To A RF Frequency In JB (att: Bob Dancer)

#1

In a message dated 6/17/2006 1:53:10 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
BANDSTAND54@AOL.COM writes:

My question is how often can you expect to see a 4 to a Royal in any given
session at my rate of play?

I don't know that answer but I did a spreadsheet simulation of the frequency
of hitting a Royal if 1/47 chances. Being a non math expert and not too
advanced with spreadsheet formulas I typed an x on column a, row 47 then copied
the first 47 rows down then copied the two rows and so on I stopped at I think
10,000 rows. Then I put a random number in column b row 1 and copied it down
to the 10,000th row. Then I sorted both columns using column b as the sort
field. The longest gap between x's was about 260. So you could go that many 4
to a Royals and not hit. Since doing that I just play and don't worry about
how often I hit a Royal. They happen.

Something I imagined once was for Bob Dancer to have at his video poker
class a long continuous row of paper stretched around the classroom walls with
several lines containing x's and red marks every so often and they would
represent the randomness of video poker hits, from Full Houses up to Royals.
Several hundred thousand games could be represented on a hundred feet of paper or
so and the students could visually see the long term. Not sure If I ever
suggested this to Bob.
JT

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#2

...Then I sorted both columns using column b as the sort

field. The longest gap between x's was about 260. So you could go

that many 4 to a Royals and not hit.

OK, this opens the door for me to ask a rhetorical question that
I've refrained from asking until now because someone surely will ask
whether I want cheese with my whine.

I've been playing pretty heavy "tourist-level" VP for 12 years, and
I've NEVER hit a Royal by drawing ONE.

Full Disclosure: I've been OVER-lucked in most other categories,
including total 21 total Royals, which included five Pick Em Royals.

But couldn't a get ONE "Missionary Royal" at JoB or similar before I
die or playable VP disappears completely???

Now I've vented. No need to respond unless someone knows how many
unsuccessful one-card Royal draws = absurd hypothetical
impossibility.

The GMan

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, jt417552@... wrote:

#3

If I was you - I would be thrilled I got 1 royal in Pickem much less
5. I don't have your answr but it must be preety high because I get
4 to a royal alot. One session I got it over 19 times and no
royal.

...Then I sorted both columns using column b as the sort
> field. The longest gap between x's was about 260. So you could

go

that many 4 to a Royals and not hit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
OK, this opens the door for me to ask a rhetorical question that
I've refrained from asking until now because someone surely will

ask

whether I want cheese with my whine.

I've been playing pretty heavy "tourist-level" VP for 12 years,

and

I've NEVER hit a Royal by drawing ONE.

Full Disclosure: I've been OVER-lucked in most other categories,
including total 21 total Royals, which included five Pick Em

Royals.

But couldn't a get ONE "Missionary Royal" at JoB or similar before

I

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ggman444" <gleng4444@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, jt417552@ wrote:
die or playable VP disappears completely???

Now I've vented. No need to respond unless someone knows how many
unsuccessful one-card Royal draws = absurd hypothetical
impossibility.

The GMan

#4

Missdeuces wrote: If I was you - I would be thrilled I got 1 royal in
Pickem much less 5.

Nonsense! Every player I ever met wants more royals than he/she has
currently received. The players who say they haven't had any yet (or
hasn't yet received one on a particular type of machine) and will be
able to die happy if they just get one quickly change their tune when
the first one comes. And size doesn't matter. I've personally had more
than 250 in the $20,000-or-higher range (including more than 20 for
$100,000) and you can bet that I want more. They are momentarily very
satisfying, but the "thrill" doesn't last. By the time your money gets
there, you feel you are "due" for another.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

#5

The other day I hit 2 royals within 18 min of each other. And guess
what, when dealt 4 to a royal 5 min later I was really ready to hit
the third. alas, it was not to be. but Ill tell you what Im in the
hunt for another top line beauty thats for sure.

Incidentally Ive only been dealt one royal in my time here in Vegas
and it was sequential A to T And on a progressive to boot.

timmer

Missdeuces wrote: If I was you - I would be thrilled I got 1 royal

in

Pickem much less 5.

Nonsense! Every player I ever met wants more royals than he/she has
currently received. The players who say they haven't had any yet

(or

hasn't yet received one on a particular type of machine) and will

be

able to die happy if they just get one quickly change their tune

when

the first one comes. And size doesn't matter. I've personally had

more

than 250 in the $20,000-or-higher range (including more than 20 for
$100,000) and you can bet that I want more. They are momentarily

very

satisfying, but the "thrill" doesn't last. By the time your money

gets

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@...> wrote:

there, you feel you are "due" for another.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

#6

That's a nice clump.

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On 6/20/06, timmer <timmr21@yahoo.com> wrote:

The other day I hit 2 royals within 18 min of each other....

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#7

My comment was meant to imply something else. It is more difficult
to get a royal in Pickem due to the way the game is played. (my
opinion of coruse) I just meant he should be very happy he got 5 in
Pickem. Not that he should not want anymore. Some of us have never
had one in that particular game, Pickem.
Of course, everyone wants royals. It makes playing more enjoyable.
I am very happy for you with all the royals you have gotten in the
$20,000 + range and I hope you continue great success.

Missdeuces wrote: If I was you - I would be thrilled I got 1 royal

in

Pickem much less 5.

Nonsense! Every player I ever met wants more royals than he/she has
currently received. The players who say they haven't had any yet

(or

hasn't yet received one on a particular type of machine) and will

be

able to die happy if they just get one quickly change their tune

when

the first one comes. And size doesn't matter. I've personally had

more

than 250 in the $20,000-or-higher range (including more than 20 for
$100,000) and you can bet that I want more. They are momentarily

very

satisfying, but the "thrill" doesn't last. By the time your money

gets

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@...> wrote:

there, you feel you are "due" for another.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

#8

Believe me, I agree. Chalk the miscommunication up to the difficulty
of conveying thoughts perfectly via e-mail.

What you wrote is exactly what I meant in the original post when, in
the "Full Disclosure" paragraph, I acknowledged that I'd
been "overlucked" in other categories.

I do play a disproportionate amount of Pick Em becuase I live in the
Midwest. But, even allowing for the weighted play, my PE results have
when way, WAY above expectation. For example, two $PE Royals on
consecutive days during which I played about three hours each time.
And one $2 PE Royal 30 minutes after a $2 PE SF.

It's just that, as Bob posted, everyone wants WHATEVER it is they have
NOT had -- or, in his case, haven't had lately.

As a matter of pure math and theory, hitting a handful of "draw-one"
JoB Royals "should" have come before my first PE Royal, and LONG
before my second. But I'm not going to swap my overall results for
an "average" package.

The GMan

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "missdeuces" <missdeuces@...> wrote:

My comment was meant to imply something else. It is more difficult
to get a royal in Pickem due to the way the game is played. (my
opinion of coruse) I just meant he should be very happy he got 5 in
Pickem. Not that he should not want anymore.

#9

JT.. I submitted a photo to the administrator as I was away for a
couple weeks. I needed of all cards the beautiful ace of diamonds
on the last position #5. I learned what Jean Scott had posted that
some machines dont lockup and the player must make the noise when
the fifth card comes. Yes.. they happen.

Lets get some (more!)Royals,
Beachstu

- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, jt417552@... wrote:
I did a spreadsheet simulation of the frequency of hitting a Royal
if 1/47 chances. Being a non math expert and
not too > advanced with spreadsheet formulas I typed an x on column
a, row 47 then copied the first 47 rows down then copied the two
rows and so on I stopped at I think 10,000 rows. Then I put a
random number in column b row 1 and copied it down to the 10,000th
row. Then I sorted both columns using column b as the sort field.
The longest gap between x's was about 260. So you could go
that many 4 to a Royals and not hit. Since doing that I just play
and don't worry about how often I hit a Royal. They happen.