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Four Queens

#1

Hey All,

We have been staying and playing primarily at the Station Casinos for
the past couple of years. We are avid 10/7 DB players at the .50 and
$1.00 level for a total daily run thru of approx. $30,000 a day on
average. We have been thinking of a change due to the ever tightening
of comps lately at the Stations and were thinking about trying downtown
at the Four Queens. Anyone have any experience there?? Any ideas on how
much is required for full RFB?? Any thoughts or comments would be much
appreciated!!

J&D in Edmonton, Alberta....(Freezing to death!!)

#2

Hey All,

We have been staying and playing primarily at the Station Casinos for
the past couple of years. We are avid 10/7 DB players at the .50 and
$1.00 level for a total daily run thru of approx. $30,000 a day on
average. We have been thinking of a change due to the ever tightening
of comps lately at the Stations and were thinking about trying

downtown

at the Four Queens. Anyone have any experience there?? Any ideas on

how

much is required for full RFB?? Any thoughts or comments would be

much

appreciated!!

J&D in Edmonton, Alberta....(Freezing to death!!)

Hi - In your message you talk about running thru $30,000 a day - what
does that mean? Are you actually spending $30,000 or it is a rollover
amount?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "veres1" <jveres@...> wrote:

#3

They're referring to their coin-in for the day. Here's the coin-in
entry in the vpFREE Glossary:

"Coin-in: The total number of hands played times the amount
played per hand"

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On 4 Feb 2008 at 16:52, rossx_98 wrote:

Hi - In your message you talk about running thru $30,000 a day - what
does that mean? Are you actually spending $30,000 or it is a rollover
amount?

#4

-Hi- How do you calculate how many hands you play in an hour? -- In
vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFae" <vpFae@...> wrote:

> Hi - In your message you talk about running thru $30,000 a day -

what

> does that mean? Are you actually spending $30,000 or it is a

rollover

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On 4 Feb 2008 at 16:52, rossx_98 wrote:
> amount?

They're referring to their coin-in for the day. Here's the coin-in
entry in the vpFREE Glossary:

"Coin-in: The total number of hands played times the amount
played per hand"

#5

-Hi- How do you calculate how many hands you play in an hour?

If you play at a casino where you are earning a point for every dollar, it's
quite easy. After an hour of play, let's say the meter shows 875 points,
you're playing a quarter game, $1.25 per hand. Divide your 875 points by
1.25, you're playing 700 hph. If it might be a casino that is $4.00 per
point, multiply your meter total by 4, then divide by the $1.25 again. You
can use the close enough for government method, which is to have someone
with a second hand on the watch stand behind you and count how many hands
you play in a minute and then multiply by 60. Piece of pie.

Nudge

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From: "rossx_98" <rossx_98@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Four Queens

#6

Hi - Thanks for the tip about calculating the number of hands played
in an hour, etc. Do you handle 3/5/10 hands the same way? I play
them most of the time - instead of the single hand.

From: "rossx_98" <rossx_98@...>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Four Queens

> -Hi- How do you calculate how many hands you play in an hour?

If you play at a casino where you are earning a point for every

dollar, it's

quite easy. After an hour of play, let's say the meter shows 875

points,

you're playing a quarter game, $1.25 per hand. Divide your 875

points by

1.25, you're playing 700 hph. If it might be a casino that is $4.00

per

point, multiply your meter total by 4, then divide by the $1.25

again. You

can use the close enough for government method, which is to have

someone

with a second hand on the watch stand behind you and count how many

hands

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nudge51" <nudge51@...> wrote:

you play in a minute and then multiply by 60. Piece of pie.

Nudge

#7

$1 (3 play) at full coin = $15 per pull

If $1 = 1 point and you have 750 points after one hour,
divide 750 by 15 and you have played 500 base hands.

500 base hands = 1500 total hands.

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On 5 Feb 2008 at 23:47, rossx_98 wrote:

Hi - Thanks for the tip about calculating the number of hands played
in an hour, etc. Do you handle 3/5/10 hands the same way?

#8

Do you handle 3/5/10 hands the same way? I play
them most of the time - instead of the single hand.

Speed of draw card filling on multi-line machines can vary substantially.
Why not use the easy button method. Get a rough idea of the speed on the
machine that you are playing in the casino and set your vp tutoring software
to approximately duplicate this speed. You can do this on Winpoker, however
I could never find a way to do this in Frugal, however I'm not all that
smart and I gave up after looking for it for 30 minutes. When you do this,
the program will track exactly how many total hands you are playing per
hour, errors made, cost of the errors, etc.. If you don't have the software,
the obvious question would be, why not?
                     Nudge

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From: "rossx_98" <rossx_98@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Four Queens

#9

-I have Bob Dancer's software and have been using that but wasn't
sure if the software and the casino machines were using the same
speed. One gambler told me to change my speed from time to time on
the casino machines because it will change the rgn - what is your
opinion?

From: "rossx_98" <rossx_98@...>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Four Queens

> Do you handle 3/5/10 hands the same way? I play
> them most of the time - instead of the single hand.

Speed of draw card filling on multi-line machines can vary

substantially.

Why not use the easy button method. Get a rough idea of the speed

on the

machine that you are playing in the casino and set your vp tutoring

software

to approximately duplicate this speed. You can do this on Winpoker,

however

I could never find a way to do this in Frugal, however I'm not all

that

smart and I gave up after looking for it for 30 minutes. When you

do this,

the program will track exactly how many total hands you are playing

per

hour, errors made, cost of the errors, etc.. If you don't have the

software,

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-- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nudge51" <nudge51@...> wrote:

the obvious question would be, why not?
                     Nudge

#10

-I have Bob Dancer's software and have been using that but wasn't
sure if the software and the casino machines were using the same
speed.

Easy to determine. Use the second hand count method on your next casino
visit. When you get home, open Winpoker, click on options, click on set
animation speed. There are five different deal speeds that you can play with
to determine which one approximates your live casino play.

One gambler told me to change my speed from time to time on

the casino machines because it will change the rgn - what is your
opinion?

Basically bunk. What will change is your feeling that something has changed.
The numbers that are generated will be different, but they will also be
different had you not changed speeds, as they cycle thousands of times in
some unknown small portion of a second in time. Will a change in playing
speed help? Might, might not. Face it, when rank, order and suit are
considered, of the more than two and a half million initial five card hands
that can be dealt, an unhealthy majority are not quality hands. It's the
nature of the game. Take care as to what gamblers tell you. While playing
FPDW, I had a "gambler" tell me that if I have only one deuce dealt in a
hand, I should automatically throw it away, as this will force all four of
them to congregate in one hand in the very near future. Another gambler
while seeing my wife fill a one card draw on a spade royal commented, "Well,
you sure were lucky this time, because you know that spades are the hardest
suit to get em' in". READER CAUTION-If you are still awake, hit your delete
key now. As for your rgn, it is technically the PRNG, pseudo random number
generator, but everyone here will usually eliminate the p. What a time
saver. Anyway, I am not sure of which of the two modern mathematical types
of prng methods IGT or other manufacturer's use, the LCM, Linear
Congruential Method, or the ACM, Additive Congruential Method. Of course, if
you have some hours of your life that you might not mind ever getting back,
you can Google them both almost endlessly. Even if you know the method, that
is only the first baby step. Today, the acquisisition of any useful
information to help you in your play is as close to impossible as you can
get. Upon convincing yourself that you had discovered something, the tech
equipment that you would need in the casino might be quite cumbersome and
most probably illegal. If you have some free time, you may want to browse
the vpFREE glossary and the FAQ sections. It might help, and I promise it
wont hurt.
                                  Nudge

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From: "rossx_98" <rossx_98@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Hand Per Hour-was Four Queens