My mom who resides in Fla. told me that as of this past Monday, the
Hard Rock Hollywood has Class III machines. I knew that this was
coming and was wondering from those in the know if the Hard Rock
Tampa, and the Seminole Casino Coconut Creek also now have Clas III
machines and what VP if any did they have ie, paytables ? When they
had Class II machines the HR Hollywood had about a dozen 9/6 Jacks.
Larry F.
lfcmja2000 wrote:
My mom who resides in Fla. told me that as of this past Monday, the
Hard Rock Hollywood has Class III machines. I knew that this was
coming and was wondering from those in the know if the Hard Rock
Tampa, and the Seminole Casino Coconut Creek also now have Clas III
machines and what VP if any did they have ie, paytables ? When they
had Class II machines the HR Hollywood had about a dozen 9/6 Jacks.
Cardfather, who makes an occasional appearance in these parts and has
intimate familiarity with gaming in FL, wrote a couple of years ago
that HR Hollywood had exclusively Class II gaming.
However, perhaps your mother has the inside scoop re current changes.
But I'd be cognizant of the fact that this casino operates under
tribal gaming and isn't subject to any regulatory oversight, lending
less confidence re any gaming assumptions in my book.
To my knowledge, all Class II machines operate under a mechanism in
which any win is predetermined when you press "Deal", but before any
cards are selected for the Deal. Because for any resulting deal you
have control over the cards held and can "defeat" an intended winning
hand that yields the determined payout, it's necessary for a secondary
win option to be present (seen in various forms -- a genie that
revised your hold after an alternate losing hand is revealed, a "match
card bonus" that supplements any ending result, etc.) Further, it's
my understanding that Class II machines typically carry a "for
entertainment purposes only" disclaimer.
I might be willing to rely upon the presence or absence of a secondary
win option to differentiate between these two machine classes. But,
then again, it's more likely I wouldn't.
- Harry
lfcmja2000 wrote:
My mom who resides in Fla. told me that as of this past Monday, the
Hard Rock Hollywood has Class III machines. I knew that this was
coming and was wondering from those in the know if the Hard Rock
Tampa, and the Seminole Casino Coconut Creek also now have Clas III
machines and what VP if any did they have ie, paytables ? When they
had Class II machines the HR Hollywood had about a dozen 9/6 Jacks.
Ok, apologies to Mom -- she knows what she's talking about.
Back in November the Seminoles (operators of HR) were in negotiations
with the State to expand their gaming authorization to Class III
gaming. The governor's office, under former governor Jeb Bush,
dragged its heels. The Seminoles looked for stronger prospects under
the new administration -- backed up by a commitment that if the State
didn't conclude negotiations in short order, the Bureau of Indian
Affairs would authorize Class III gaming.
The linked article before states that HR Hollywood would initiate
Class III gaming Jan 28. Coconut Creek will follow in mid-February or
March.
http://www.floridacasinoreport.com/News/news-012408.htm
http://tinyurl.com/yu8an3
I'd still keep an eye out for the "secondary win" mechanism,
identifying a Class II/Bingo machine, that I mentioned in my earlier
post this evening -- I wouldn't depend on the machine replacements
being entirely in place yet (but I expect that they are).
Would I play at HR? Probably, if a good game like 9/6 Jacks if
offered. If Cardfather is lurking, please investigate!
- Harry
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wrote:
lfcmja2000 wrote:
> My mom who resides in Fla. told me that as of this past Monday,
the
> Hard Rock Hollywood has Class III machines. I>
Ok, apologies to Mom -- she knows what she's talking about.
Back in November the Seminoles (operators of HR) were in
negotiations
with the State to expand their gaming authorization to Class III
gaming. The governor's office, under former governor Jeb Bush,
dragged its heels. The Seminoles looked for stronger prospects
under
the new administration -- backed up by a commitment that if the
State
didn't conclude negotiations in short order, the Bureau of Indian
Affairs would authorize Class III gaming.The linked article before states that HR Hollywood would initiate
Class III gaming Jan 28. Coconut Creek will follow in mid-
February or
March.
Harry read my post on acvpp # 24488. I have been to HR Hollywood
and Coconut Creek. They have( had) a bingo game playing in the upper
right corner which was their Class II device to determine winning
combos.
Larry F.
Hi Harry,
You make a few wrong statements (not a flame, just a fact).
Class III gaming with the Seminoles in Fla is now a fact. It will take some time to remove all the old class II machines and install Class III. So patrons need to look to see if there is a Bingo card on the top glass.
Class II machines don't actually predetermine wins; technically you enter a Bingo game when you press "deal". When the Bingo game finishes (microseconds, normally) your win or loss is determined. You are not playing against the house on those games, you are playing against everyone else in the casino. However, cards chosen for the draw are only for show and will not affect the outcome.
So look for those machines without Bingo cards at Seminoles. Then the paytable tells the outcome exactly like they do in NV. And, oh yes. The Fla racinos are commercial machines that perform like NV and Class III Seminoles machines.
Hope this helps.
B
At 08:21 PM 1/31/2008, you wrote:
lfcmja2000 wrote:
> My mom who resides in Fla. told me that as of this past Monday, the
> Hard Rock Hollywood has Class III machines. I knew that this was
> coming and was wondering from those in the know if the Hard Rock
> Tampa, and the Seminole Casino Coconut Creek also now have Clas III
> machines and what VP if any did they have ie, paytables ? When they
> had Class II machines the HR Hollywood had about a dozen 9/6 Jacks.Cardfather, who makes an occasional appearance in these parts and has
intimate familiarity with gaming in FL, wrote a couple of years ago
that HR Hollywood had exclusively Class II gaming.However, perhaps your mother has the inside scoop re current changes.
But I'd be cognizant of the fact that this casino operates under
tribal gaming and isn't subject to any regulatory oversight, lending
less confidence re any gaming assumptions in my book.To my knowledge, all Class II machines operate under a mechanism in
which any win is predetermined when you press "Deal", but before any
cards are selected for the Deal. Because for any resulting deal you
have control over the cards held and can "defeat" an intended winning
hand that yields the determined payout, it's necessary for a secondary
win option to be present (seen in various forms -- a genie that
revised your hold after an alternate losing hand is revealed, a "match
card bonus" that supplements any ending result, etc.) Further, it's
my understanding that Class II machines typically carry a "for
entertainment purposes only" disclaimer.I might be willing to rely upon the presence or absence of a secondary
win option to differentiate between these two machine classes. But,
then again, it's more likely I wouldn't.- Harry
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