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FK, Killing the Golden Deuce/plus VIP address to the entire Group

Hello Frank,

You are very smart, just letting it go as is fine by me, if you'd like that. It was a simply curious and odd situation.

However, You can email me to my email address, if you'd like to know since I'm the one who met her face to face and spoke with her on specific's.

I don't care to share about this on group.

Emails are a funny thing, it does not depict many people as they really are and assumptions can easily taken the wrong way sometimes, as emails are not always viewed in 'truth' as far as one's true meaning behind what they are trying to convey, most often when you actually can tell in response or no response.

That's not assumption, this is Evident when you get no responses on valuable VP questions and or curious about things as I always
am about anything that I am learning about.

I am not a student of anyone in particular here, I do glean information from the posts that inform me of things that I do not know and am glad to learn and grateful for that aspect.

I can write Evident intentions yet, I have no desire to explain anything to anyone that has no investment in getting to know who I am as a person.

The only way to have this dynamic, is to have a two way street and I've yet to experience that among the group as a whole," thus far ".

You can't lose anything that you've never had aside from now visibly, hopes until reality kicked in and giving some credit where it is not earned or deserved at this juncture so, nothing tangible is lost or gained. Just intangible things that have deflated and non existent at the moment, due to Reality.

In the Personal Aspect :
No one that doesn't really know you cannot 'see' true personality traits without
equal communication.

Sometimes see some things that I write through skewed eyes (to distort; depict unfairly).

I HAVE NO IDEA if this case in point is True or Present here in this group ? Clueless.

No one has ever been rude to me or taken my emails wrong as far as I know ? and it may just be that no one here holds value in helping newer VP players to learn by a simple reply...aside from the Few that have responded and those individuals do not apply to the other 98% of members that have dismissed my questions.

In the area of no replies, it does lend
for curiosity and decision making in whether to stay here on in a "less than likely to receive any answers or replies to my posts" group,
that I joined for reasons further below.

The fact of the multiple non replies to the actual VP questions
I bring 'some' other questions up for fun (SO WHAT?) and The others that are Clearly Earnest Questions such as: about my observance and questions about the way different people play, etc. this type of sincere genuine questions from someone New to the game although, hundreds of hours investing in training, enough to remain in the Positive since we have been here in Nov. and went from Nickel play to 25 cents within at most, 20 Casino sessions and practicing countless hours per week at home.

The very loud silence of non response from those that I had a higher regard than apparently deserved, has dwindled to non regard after enough non replies....
that Clearly was the catalyst that
brought on the thinking that I should find another VP group with pro members, that remember where they came from and that someone invested a little or a lot time for you in one way or another - no matter who you are. Just because I do not want to become Pro, has NO bearing on the fact that I want to learn how to play like one.

If you think that I haven't paid my dues in life, you are sorely mistaken. I've paid as much dues to know the Why of the truth that I am an expert at as far as my field as Anyone has ever paid in what they have accomplished so, it may not be the same Genre' but, a seasoned, veteran - I AM.
I am honored to help others that might need a hand up in their marketing skills and it makes me even More Successful and Richer than I ever hoped or dreamed of in a well rounded way. Most of ALL - I am Highly Respected by my Peers and those who have invested in knowing me as well as equal reciprocation in any group that I've found
like minded people. Blood, sweat and tears, I know so well, that I am writing a book about my journey that is intended to help others avoid my falls and pain of learning the hard way.

People that with hold information to someone in the group that is there to learn as an equally valued person, get no respect from me. That's about as simplistic and clear enough as I can be.

Common courtesy seems to have left the building as far as responding to someone like me, that has a Genuine desire to learn Along with develop friendships. (thus, the fun in my posts along with serious portions as well, a child can understand the difference between 'happy go lucky' and serious statements and or questions).

I wonder if I post the question :

"Does anyone know of a VP pro group that on the 'whole' are genuinely respectable and kind to reply and develop friends with the common interest or simply getting to know each other ?
One that
welcomes members like myself, New to VP (newer is a better word now) along with being New to the City and have good people, that also happen to be VP Pro's, that don't mind answering sincere questions pertaining to any aspect of the game ?
....again, to those of you that have displayed character and courtesy in replying, this does not apply to the few members that have replied.

I wonder if it will get a response ?
it's not the greatest odds, if the past few months dictates the Now. However, I can always think randomly..hehe

The VERY Few responses to questions or an in general VP report of playing post
... that I have received back either on group or via personal email have been greatly appreciated as each response is valued as I have been honorable in conduct and have posted many courteous, encouraging and positive replies in this group , nothing about this topic pertains to you that have been courteous and the
numbers are less than a minority in this group but, appreciated all the same because, I deserve what I give.

Those who are Truly Beautiful, have no need to look in the mirror to know it. Although, when you do, you see just who you expected.

My purpose here is nothing outside of gaining knowledge by reading some of the informative posts yet more importantly, Receiving answers and replies to my posts as I reply to others, also, getting to know each other through an Equal communication (investment) and possibly forming friendships in an area of common interest and as someone New to Las Vegas and the desire to learn how to play like a pro in VP is all I joined this group for..again, Simplistic, Realistic, Logical.

So, more facts.
  
Many of the recent posts are Excellent examples of misunderstandings as you, Frank, understand very well.

Only three people
have invested in me (as far as making honest efforts in communicating through emails) and I replied or started the conversation as is necessary to get to know someone. One, dropped the ball and for what ? no clue whatsoever. There was no argument, just an end to communication like they have dealt with themselves so, maybe that's an insight as to why.

One person, earned my respect in a most simplistic way in this group. This person earned my respect with evident character and invested in me with an Equal respect for seeing 'me' through my note !
It was an honor to converse with that person that is genuinely humble and he owns, has or has accomplished probably more than anyone that I have talked to here (not too many) in his mannerism of speech and strength in character by knowing when he encounters like-minded people - he has the Respect that he has Earned in life, even from someone that just has the insight to 'see' this in others. I am not
Humble like he is, I only strive to be like that !! Not very well either..lol..though, I admit this lessor strength, I will also say that my heart and depth in character is Gold and anyone that has not take the time to know me, has lost out on a Great Friend and Ally. However, those that deliberately did not reply, I am ever Thankful that you did not !

I find it hard to believe that I've met just this ONE individual here that I carry this amount of respect for as they earned it in the simplest manner of being genuine and I believe that I earned theirs as well and I did not even talk about VP questions, it was a mutual respect for Accomplishment, no matter what field you are in and mutual character aspects that lends to a success that money cannot buy..yet, the building blocks of True success all the way around. He or I could 'teach' on that part of fulfilling your dreams.

It's not like a great girlfriend thing. It is more like
meeting someone that happens to be extremely knowledgeable in VP, and the greatest of possibilities more so, than any VP pro here that could possibly use a dose of what he and I equally possess inside yet, not something easily obtained by any means. Rich character and knowledge is a far greater success than any amount of cash, though both are born out of the first, to be truly fulfilled without the first part, the 2nd part is empty.

It's just not been here for me personally, as a whole or even 1/4 of a group where those who 'can' courteously respond but 'choose' not to reply,
....it is a loud silence when you are sitting in a room full of pros in the area of achieving success in 'playing VP'.
I am not impressed with anyone in the world that obtains something, belongs to a group of their expertise and does not make the time to reply to Newer' players, nor do I respect the devoid of courtesy.

Buy my book to
find out...LOL..I might have, how do you know ? and for SURE, I won't confirm or deny..

The proof is in the pudding, when there are no answers to an earnest question.
I am not talking about frivolous questions that I have posted and as smart as some of you may be, I cannot get the answers to the Evident to one with 1/2 a brain to see that they are Honest, Earnest questions.
The frivolous questions have all been 'in fun' and wow, is it that hard to tell ? or too hard to comprehend for such intelligent people ?

No Rant or even Anger in my heart. These are simply just open, honest observance opinions, along with valid questions.

Therefore, if anyone can take the time to suggest the kind of group that is a normal request from someone both new to VP and this City ..a respectful, courteous answer will be appreciate. Anything outside of common courtesy is always the choice of your conscience and true character. I can only control
myself and in that truth, I believe in 2nd chances, especially, since you may be oblivious to your own non responses and never intended to lose the respect that was only lost due to the account of these truthful facts.

Nevertheless, due to who I am, I don't hold ill will as I am very human and have overlooked things at lessor points of my life. Albeit, being successful on the inside has its benefits to others and results in finding more success in helping others. I am Far from perfect and readily admit when I am wrong however, if I am 'just' in my words and actions, there is no back up in this gal. I do not waste my time when it comes to unteachable, closed individuals that are a waste of my valuable time, when it could be spent helping someone that is sincere, since the one's that are closed or just have no common sense, cannot be convinced that they do not know it all.

That's all folks :slight_smile:

~ ¤(¯`*•.¸(¯`*•.¸ Meredith ¸.•*´¯)¸.•*´¯)¤ ~
TGIF- Thank God I'm Female!

I'm curious as to why you thought she worked for me?

~FK

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____________________________________________________________________________________
Don't pick lemons.
See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html

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Come checkout videopoker.com. Everyone is very helpful with questions and friendly. Ive NEVER had a question go unanswered.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Meredith And Kenny <meredithandkenny@...> wrote:

Hello Frank,

You are very smart, just letting it go as is fine by me, if you'd like that. It was a simply curious and odd situation.

However, You can email me to my email address, if you'd like to know since I'm the one who met her face to face and spoke with her on specific's.

I don't care to share about this on group.

Emails are a funny thing, it does not depict many people as they really are and assumptions can easily taken the wrong way sometimes, as emails are not always viewed in 'truth' as far as one's true meaning behind what they are trying to convey, most often when you actually can tell in response or no response.

That's not assumption, this is Evident when you get no responses on valuable VP questions and or curious about things as I always
am about anything that I am learning about.

I am not a student of anyone in particular here, I do glean information from the posts that inform me of things that I do not know and am glad to learn and grateful for that aspect.

I can write Evident intentions yet, I have no desire to explain anything to anyone that has no investment in getting to know who I am as a person.

The only way to have this dynamic, is to have a two way street and I've yet to experience that among the group as a whole," thus far ".Â

You can't lose anything that you've never had aside from now visibly, hopes until reality kicked in and giving some credit where it is not earned or deserved at this juncture so, nothing tangible is lost or gained. Just intangible things that have deflated and non existent at the moment, due to Reality.

In the Personal Aspect :
No one that doesn't really know you cannot 'see' true personality traits without
equal communication.

Sometimes see some things that I write through skewed eyes (to distort; depict unfairly).

I HAVE NO IDEA if this case in point is True or Present here in this group ? Clueless.

No one has ever been rude to me or taken my emails wrong as far as I know ? and it may just be that no one here holds value in helping newer VP players to learn by a simple reply...aside from the Few that have responded and those individuals do not apply to the other 98% of members that have dismissed my questions.

In the area of no replies, it does lend
for curiosity and decision making in whether to stay here on in a "less than likely to receive any answers or replies to my posts" group,
 that I joined for reasons further below.

The fact of the multiple non replies to the actual VP questions
I bring 'some' other questions up for fun (SO WHAT?) and The others that are Clearly Earnest Questions such as: about my observance and questions about the way different people play, etc. this type of sincere genuine questions from someone New to the game although, hundreds of hours investing in training, enough to remain in the Positive since we have been here in Nov. and went from Nickel play to 25 cents within at most, 20 Casino sessions and practicing countless hours per week at home.

The very loud silence of non response from those that I had a higher regard than apparently deserved, has dwindled to non regard after enough non replies....
that Clearly was the catalyst that
brought on the thinking that I should find another VP group with pro members, that remember where they came from and that someone invested a little or a lot time for you in one way or another - no matter who you are. Just because I do not want to become Pro, has NO bearing on the fact that I want to learn how to play like one.

If you think that I haven't paid my dues in life, you are sorely mistaken. I've paid as much dues to know the Why of the truth that I am an expert at as far as my field as Anyone has ever paid in what they have accomplished so, it may not be the same Genre' but, a seasoned, veteran - I AM.
I am honored to help others that might need a hand up in their marketing skills and it makes me even More Successful and Richer than I ever hoped or dreamed of in a well rounded way. Most of ALL - I am Highly Respected by my Peers and those who have invested in knowing me as well as equal reciprocation in any group that I've found
like minded people. Blood, sweat and tears, I know so well, that I am writing a book about my journey that is intended to help others avoid my falls and pain of learning the hard way.

People that with hold information to someone in the group that is there to learn as an equally valued person, get no respect from me. That's about as simplistic and clear enough as I can be.

Common courtesy seems to have left the building as far as responding to someone like me, that has a Genuine desire to learn Along with develop friendships. (thus, the fun in my posts along with serious portions as well, a child can understand the difference between 'happy go lucky' and serious statements and or questions).

I wonder if I post the question :

"Does anyone know of a VP pro group that on the 'whole' are genuinely respectable and kind to reply and develop friends with the common interest or simply getting to know each other ?
One that
welcomes members like myself, New to VP (newer is a better word now) along with being New to the City and have good people, that also happen to be VP Pro's, that don't mind answering sincere questions pertaining to any aspect of the game ?
 ....again, to those of you that have displayed character and courtesy in replying, this does not apply to the few members that have replied.

I wonder if it will get a response ?
it's not the greatest odds, if the past few months dictates the Now. However, I can always think randomly..hehe

The VERY Few responses to questions or an in general VP report of playing post
... that I have received back either on group or via personal email have been greatly appreciated as each response is valued as I have been honorable in conduct and have posted many courteous, encouraging and positive replies in this group , nothing about this topic pertains to you that have been courteous and the
numbers are less than a minority in this group but, appreciated all the same because, I deserve what I give.

Those who are Truly Beautiful, have no need to look in the mirror to know it. Although, when you do, you see just who you expected.

My purpose here is nothing outside of gaining knowledge by reading some of the informative posts yet more importantly, Receiving answers and replies to my posts as I reply to others, also, getting to know each other through an Equal communication (investment) and possibly forming friendships in an area of common interest and as someone New to Las Vegas and the desire to learn how to play like a pro in VP is all I joined this group for..again, Simplistic, Realistic, Logical.

So, more facts.
  
Many of the recent posts are Excellent examples of misunderstandings as you, Frank, understand very well.

Only three people
have invested in me (as far as making honest efforts in communicating through emails) and I replied or started the conversation as is necessary to get to know someone. One, dropped the ball and for what ? no clue whatsoever. There was no argument, just an end to communication like they have dealt with themselves so, maybe that's an insight as to why.

One person, earned my respect in a most simplistic way in this group. This person earned my respect with evident character and invested in me with an Equal respect for seeing 'me' through my note !
It was an honor to converse with that person that is genuinely humble and he owns, has or has accomplished probably more than anyone that I have talked to here (not too many) in his mannerism of speech and strength in character by knowing when he encounters like-minded people - he has the Respect that he has Earned in life, even from someone that just has the insight to 'see' this in others. I am not
Humble like he is, I only strive to be like that !! Not very well either..lol..though, I admit this lessor strength, I will also say that my heart and depth in character is Gold and anyone that has not take the time to know me, has lost out on a Great Friend and Ally. However, those that deliberately did not reply, I am ever Thankful that you did not !

I find it hard to believe that I've met just this ONE individual here that I carry this amount of respect for as they earned it in the simplest manner of being genuine and I believe that I earned theirs as well and I did not even talk about VP questions, it was a mutual respect for Accomplishment, no matter what field you are in and mutual character aspects that lends to a success that money cannot buy..yet, the building blocks of True success all the way around. He or I could 'teach' on that part of fulfilling your dreams.Â

It's not like a great girlfriend thing. It is more like
meeting someone that happens to be extremely knowledgeable in VP, and the greatest of possibilities more so, than any VP pro here that could possibly use a dose of what he and I equally possess inside yet, not something easily obtained by any means. Rich character and knowledge is a far greater success than any amount of cash, though both are born out of the first, to be truly fulfilled without the first part, the 2nd part is empty.Â

It's just not been here for me personally, as a whole or even 1/4 of a group where those who 'can' courteously respond but 'choose' not to reply,
....it is a loud silence when you are sitting in a room full of pros in the area of achieving success in 'playing VP'.
I am not impressed with anyone in the world that obtains something, belongs to a group of their expertise and does not make the time to reply to Newer' players, nor do I respect the devoid of courtesy.

Buy my book to
find out...LOL..I might have, how do you know ? and for SURE, I won't confirm or deny..

The proof is in the pudding, when there are no answers to an earnest question.
I am not talking about frivolous questions that I have posted and as smart as some of you may be, I cannot get the answers to the Evident to one with 1/2 a brain to see that they are Honest, Earnest questions.
The frivolous questions have all been 'in fun' and wow, is it that hard to tell ? or too hard to comprehend for such intelligent people ?

No Rant or even Anger in my heart. These are simply just open, honest observance opinions, along with valid questions.

Therefore, if anyone can take the time to suggest the kind of group that is a normal request from someone both new to VP and this City ..a respectful, courteous answer will be appreciate. Anything outside of common courtesy is always the choice of your conscience and true character. I can only control
myself and in that truth, I believe in 2nd chances, especially, since you may be oblivious to your own non responses and never intended to lose the respect that was only lost due to the account of these truthful facts.

Nevertheless, due to who I am, I don't hold ill will as I am very human and have overlooked things at lessor points of my life. Albeit, being successful on the inside has its benefits to others and results in finding more success in helping others. I am Far from perfect and readily admit when I am wrong however, if I am 'just' in my words and actions, there is no back up in this gal. I do not waste my time when it comes to unteachable, closed individuals that are a waste of my valuable time, when it could be spent helping someone that is sincere, since the one's that are closed or just have no common sense, cannot be convinced that they do not know it all.

That's all folks :slight_smile:

~ ¤(¯`*•.¸(¯`*•.¸ Meredith ¸.•*´¯)¸.•*´¯)¤ ~
TGIF- Thank God I'm Female!

I'm curious as to why you thought she worked for me?

~FK

____________________________________________________________________________________
Don't pick lemons.
See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

if by "letting it go" you mean a 36-paragraph soul searching treatise on everything but video poker, you have succeeded.

buried deep within those 36 paragraphs, however, is a question:

"does anyone know of a VP pro group that on the 'whole' are genuinely respectable and kind to reply and develop friends with the common interest or simply getting to know each other ? One that welcomes members like myself, New to VP (newer is a better word now) along with being New to the City and have good people, that also happen to be VP Pro's, that don't mind answering sincere questions pertaining to any aspect of the game?"

your claim that there is a "very loud silence of non response" to your queries and that you "get no responses on valuable VP questions." you chalk this up to people no longer having "common courtesy" and viewing your posts through "skewed eyes."

i think it's much simpler than that.

it has nothing to do with "courtesy" or "honor" or "genuine desire" or whether or not someone is "truly beautiful." people may not have seen, let alone understood, your questions because they are buried in irrelevant details that most people probably skim through, if they read at all.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Meredith And Kenny <meredithandkenny@...> wrote:

...just letting it go as is fine by me...

I shall forward your question, which I do not understand, to a friend who plays the game, and let you know

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----- Original Message ----- From: "ukstages" <takeme2london@gmail.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 8:55 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: FK, Killing the Golden Deuce/plus VIP address to the entire Group

if by "letting it go" you mean a 36-paragraph soul searching treatise on everything but video poker, you have succeeded.

buried deep within those 36 paragraphs, however, is a question:

"does anyone know of a VP pro group that on the 'whole' are genuinely respectable and kind to reply and develop friends with the common interest or simply getting to know each other ? One that welcomes members like myself, New to VP (newer is a better word now) along with being New to the City and have good people, that also happen to be VP Pro's, that don't mind answering sincere questions pertaining to any aspect of the game?"

your claim that there is a "very loud silence of non response" to your queries and that you "get no responses on valuable VP questions." you chalk this up to people no longer having "common courtesy" and viewing your posts through "skewed eyes."

i think it's much simpler than that.

it has nothing to do with "courtesy" or "honor" or "genuine desire" or whether or not someone is "truly beautiful." people may not have seen, let alone understood, your questions because they are buried in irrelevant details that most people probably skim through, if they read at all.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Meredith And Kenny <meredithandkenny@...> wrote:

...just letting it go as is fine by me...

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Thanks Richard.

"ukstages" - you're such a charming man with manners and class, that even ole Dale Carnegie might be green with envy.

Thanks for the laughter today !

I'll refrain from saying anything else as there is no need to, your email is clear enough to read and get where you're coming from, and I do give credit to the intelligence of several here and I am of certain one lady that believes - that when someone shows me who they are 'I believe them'.

Your email won't be opened again while I'm waiting to see if any courteous referrals arise. That delete button is easy to press and too bad you chose door #2 today. Now, you've shown your Ace :slight_smile:

May you enjoy your life as it is today,

~ ¤(¯`*•.¸(¯`*•.¸ Meredith ¸.•*´¯)¸.•*´¯)¤ ~
TGIF- Thank God I'm Female!

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--- On Wed, 2/9/11, Richard Gordon <theolflash@cox.net> wrote:

From: Richard Gordon <theolflash@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: FK, Killing the Golden Deuce/plus VIP address to the entire Group
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 6:06 PM

      I shall forward your question, which I do not understand, to a friend who

plays the game, and let you know

----- Original Message -----

From: "ukstages" <takeme2london@gmail.com>

To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 8:55 AM

Subject: [vpFREE] Re: FK, Killing the Golden Deuce/plus VIP address to the

entire Group

if by "letting it go" you mean a 36-paragraph soul searching treatise on

everything but video poker, you have succeeded.

buried deep within those 36 paragraphs, however, is a question:

"does anyone know of a VP pro group that on the 'whole' are genuinely

respectable and kind to reply and develop friends with the common interest

or simply getting to know each other ? One that welcomes members like

myself, New to VP (newer is a better word now) along with being New to the

City and have good people, that also happen to be VP Pro's, that don't

mind answering sincere questions pertaining to any aspect of the game?"

your claim that there is a "very loud silence of non response" to your

queries and that you "get no responses on valuable VP questions." you

chalk this up to people no longer having "common courtesy" and viewing

your posts through "skewed eyes."

i think it's much simpler than that.

it has nothing to do with "courtesy" or "honor" or "genuine desire" or

whether or not someone is "truly beautiful." people may not have seen, let

alone understood, your questions because they are buried in irrelevant

details that most people probably skim through, if they read at all.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Meredith And Kenny <meredithandkenny@...>

wrote:

...just letting it go as is fine by me...

------------------------------------

vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm

Yahoo! Groups Links

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Meredith And Kenny <meredithandkenny@...> wrote:

I wonder if I post the question :
"Does anyone know of a VP pro group that on the 'whole' are genuinely respectable and kind to reply and develop friends with the common interest or simply getting to know each other ?
One that
welcomes members like myself, New to VP (newer is a better word now) along with being New to the City and have good people, that also happen to be VP Pro's, that don't mind answering sincere questions pertaining to any aspect of the game ?

"I'll refrain from saying anything else," followed by several lines of vitriol.

And you have the nerve to lecture others about how to behave.

What a drama queen.

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On 2/9/2011 12:56 PM, Meredith And Kenny wrote:

Thanks Richard.

"ukstages" - you're such a charming man with manners and class, that even ole Dale Carnegie might be green with envy.

Thanks for the laughter today !

I'll refrain from saying anything else as there is no need to, your email is clear enough to read and get where you're coming from, and I do give credit to the intelligence of several here and I am of certain one lady that believes - that when someone shows me who they are 'I believe them'.

Your email won't be opened again while I'm waiting to see if any courteous referrals arise. That delete button is easy to press and too bad you chose door #2 today. Now, you've shown your Ace :slight_smile:

May you enjoy your life as it is today,

~ ¤(¯`*•.¸(¯`*•.¸ Meredith ¸.•*´¯)¸.•*´¯)¤ ~
TGIF- Thank God I'm Female!

--- On Wed, 2/9/11, Richard Gordon <theolflash@cox.net > <mailto:theolflash%40cox.net>> wrote:

From: Richard Gordon <theolflash@cox.net <mailto:theolflash%40cox.net>>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: FK, Killing the Golden Deuce/plus VIP address to the entire Group
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 6:06 PM

I shall forward your question, which I do not understand, to a friend who

plays the game, and let you know

----- Original Message -----

From: "ukstages" <takeme2london@gmail.com <mailto:takeme2london%40gmail.com>>

To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>>

Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 8:55 AM

Subject: [vpFREE] Re: FK, Killing the Golden Deuce/plus VIP address to the

entire Group

> if by "letting it go" you mean a 36-paragraph soul searching treatise on

> everything but video poker, you have succeeded.

>

> buried deep within those 36 paragraphs, however, is a question:

>

> "does anyone know of a VP pro group that on the 'whole' are genuinely

> respectable and kind to reply and develop friends with the common interest

> or simply getting to know each other ? One that welcomes members like

> myself, New to VP (newer is a better word now) along with being New to the

> City and have good people, that also happen to be VP Pro's, that don't

> mind answering sincere questions pertaining to any aspect of the game?"

>

> your claim that there is a "very loud silence of non response" to your

> queries and that you "get no responses on valuable VP questions." you

> chalk this up to people no longer having "common courtesy" and viewing

> your posts through "skewed eyes."

>

> i think it's much simpler than that.

>

> it has nothing to do with "courtesy" or "honor" or "genuine desire" or

> whether or not someone is "truly beautiful." people may not have seen, let

> alone understood, your questions because they are buried in irrelevant

> details that most people probably skim through, if they read at all.

>

> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>, Meredith And Kenny <meredithandkenny@...>

> wrote:

>

>>...just letting it go as is fine by me...

>

>

>

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"ukstages" - you're such a charming man with manners and class, that even
ole Dale Carnegie might be green with envy.

Did any of Dale's books teach people how to write concisely?

This is LONG People that are out of time ,However, I felt that this post is suppose to be for someone on the group yet, it is a reply to Peter …but, if you don't have time, it's not meant for you anyway and I don't care if you read it or not.

My honest opinions..as good habits die hard..

No Clue about even considering 'concise' writing when it comes to
personal feelings or posting in a relaxed, conversational manner.

It's such a relief to take my breaks in having the chance to not care,
from what I've had to do meticulously for so many years in business..

in groups or emailing friends, where it doesn't Have to be judged
(although I do understand your shield of defense, I do not condone it
since I know that in my life,it wasn't workin' for me) as Dr.Phil would
say.

And especially here from the numerous grammatical errors occur daily
& so what ? am I held to another standard in your Mind, Peter ?

not in my personal enjoyment of chilling out for a wonderful change. I
used to be everyone's English teacher or rather, the annoying young lady
that got irritated by the things in life that are REALLY of NO
importance in the grand scheme of things.

I had many friends that were very grateful that I quit sweatin' the small stuff...No Big Aha Moment There.

I have been a volunteer in Life Coaching and I had two people that I
decided to help and they both enjoyed life changes that they maintain as
I speak with them often. I've been the Extra Mom for many every since I
took a in battered Teen that has called me Mom every since (with NO
government pay, just the consent in writing through the police that they
obtained from the parents that I had all rights as far as her medical,
etc.,) were concerned. That's another LONG story Peter P E. hehe, I know
you've been teased with that name before so, it was not intended to be
mean, but, to simply try to pull a smile out of you.

In wanting to reach a larger audience, I have a Private (due to the
nature of content) Yahoo Group to Help Women realize their intrinsic
Value, along with de-coding the lies that women have been fed and have
believed for too long.

Around 2002-2003.. my expertise in writing ads is what afforded us the
luxuries that most people do not see in a life time as well as chosen
for my ad writing skills, being one of the Top 5 Power Sellers on eBay
to give advice in a How to sell jewelry on eBay. Not a Bragg, because we
all have certain gifts and talents and when we can use something that
we have a Passion to make a Fabulous Living, then, that is a Success
alone. Another long story, going from homeless, living in a van, home
schooling, for 9 months total and the first 3, the girls were visiting
my mother and my son, stayed with his Dad...to renting a small trailer
in FL and in less than 11 months, having $36k to place down on a
Beautiful Home a few doors down from Ted Williams (baseball) in a golf
community and topping $250k in our 2nd year and so on.........(kept it
concise for your brain to gather the points and connect the dots in
guessing about the details if it holds any value to you, I mean success
stories of other).

I've been praised for my creative writing skills by New friends from
this group (due to ugly replies and directly encouraging me) that find
those who have been combative in this subject as a 'common' example of
why they never post as they just don't want the negative input as you
can feel it as thick as mud by the one's that feel the need to
'testosterize' everything, called the one up-man-ship game of those
seeking to fill that void place due to stinkin- thinkin...(LOL !! yea, I
just made that word up) and instead they'd when they can be with
others that have made the same right choices to live longer without all
of the heart attack waiting to happen, stressful thinking. (these new
friends have arisen from this post and I am elated to have some new
friends that do not feel
intimidated or defensive of the truth as they are too have chosen to
live truthfully).

Thankfully, a 1st opinion came in before your unproductive post, unless
you can actually glean from something or learn. They complimented my
writing skills which I appreciated very much.

I think they were openly kind hearted after seeing the true heart of me
for myself and true intent. It's always great to be 'seen' through
realities eyes. Their account of the post greatly differs from the
pitied empty responses.

Friends are those that charge your battery, even when they are being
honest about helping you in an area of opportunity for growth and those
that drain your battery are in need of help but, not what anyone can
call friend.

I've seen 100's of MINI NOVELS come through this group without the nit
picking that you defensively jumped on...., for a lack of any other
insult or creativity, it doesn't matter anyway..hehe,.

Personally, I have enjoyed and wanted to have a discussion of the Great Things like the account of winnings.

See, I have no bitterness or jealousy. I have seen first hand what kind
of results these patterns produce, along with not wanting to even
entertain such ugliness as the posts as the most outwardly attractive
person in the world can be disgustingly ugly when THEY make that CHOICE.
It is all choices, one at a time that either disintegrates your value
or enriches your life.

None of your nasty replies move me. Because, I can clearly see through
the words to the root of the issue. It's all the same however, your
stubborn defensive displays are a veil or a covering, like a mask that
you put on, in order to justify yourself in your mind, while not having
the courage to actually dig inside, AFRAID OF WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE ?

I'm not afraid at all, in place of fear, I am graciously happy to see
the distance of that road behind and at the same time, enjoying the now,
along with excitement and elation for the future (and this is the area
that I enjoy being a child is in the areas of wonder and still giggling)
and several members here that have internal fortitude and integrity to
actually admit their actions or inaction's and the HONORABLE humility to
take a truthful look at themselves, that I have come to feel a kindred
spirit and Respect for their Honesty today and some have said that they
had been on the defensive 'mode' for many years in the past, like I was
in my 20's..when I was in great denial of the truth about those negative
patterns that I found my self entrapped in, like a cocoon that was
about to burst with such tremendous stress but, in order to validate my
value, I'd stick to the defensive auto response,

It took me many years to realize that this position was very unhealthy
to myself and others. I broke the cycle as every one that achieves True
fulfillment after genuinely having Courage to look at myself Truthfully
no matter how ugly or ashamed I was to even have these cowardly things
clinging to me by MY OWN personal Choices.

I was desperate to change and BE the person that I would admire, if I
were in someone else's shoes...I didn't want to get comfortable in such a
dishonorable (for me) person that always saw things and spoke in the
patterns/habits, I wanted to be honorable, respectful and fill myself
with anything it would take to be that Dynamic Meredith that had all of
the makings of just that inside.

I had to relearn what was productive and I did everything that I could
actively do in order to change myself and it takes a long time to Make
that change that completely turned into a Filled to the Brim and running
over for others to benefit as well Admirable Person that I deserved to
become by simply Making a conscious CHOICE to change and to make sure
that it was on a Solid foundation, I made the changes slow and
methodically as I KNOW that old habits die hard however, all that I
needed was a few learning tools that I obtained & no, Dale Carnegie
was not my teacher..hehe,

THE hardest part was the First step to trepidly FACE the TRUTH in Every
area of my life and learning the reasons that caused my Insecurity by
example : always feeling the Need of spewing out, mean and indignant
instant 'reactions of defense' to anyone that my delusional feeling
attacked or intimidated by and it was so hard because it was like an old
familiar friend that Becomes Comfortable in the way that they are and
sheer ignorance in seeing the benefits of The Work that was necessary to
change..

I decided that I have one life to live, it would benefit my 3 kiddos, as
I was a single mother for many years while they were all little and I
owned my own business yet, I didn't like being that giver of negativism
and since I had taken Psychology courses for a few years, as I could
with 3 children, I had some knowledge but, I needed more since, at the
time (23yrs old) I started therapy to get wisdom and guidance in Methods
of letting go or working through old tapes and replace them with New
since the Old Tapes will be in my book about how far you can come from
being as low as can be in Self Esteem and the reasons started early YET,
my habits and patterns of negativity just fed the old tapes, turned the
volume up and danced all of me,..funny way to say it but, It's True .

I learned that the fearless Look at Yourself, Then, The choice to change
was something that I'll always be Glad that I did and following these
painful yet Necessary two steps, the words and actions became easier and
easier because the chemical reaction of saying and doing things to
others, that would come easy for your daughters, mothers, etc.,

Re-Read the first Post :

What if your Mother posted what I wrote in my first post, or your daughter ?

In the Light of the post coming from your daughter or mother, Would you
'respond kindly' or..... would you stubbornly hold on to your defense
mechanism and sink even further away from becoming someone that you
could be proud to know ?

Have a Good Day...for a Gamblin' we will go after while,

~ ¤(¯`*•.¸(¯`*•.¸ Meredith ¸.•*´¯)¸.•*´¯)¤ ~
TGIF- Thank God I'm Female!

···

--- On Wed, 2/9/11, Peter M. <midnight1626@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Peter M. <midnight1626@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: FK, Killing the Golden Deuce/plus VIP address to the entire Group
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 9:55 PM

      > "ukstages" - you're such a charming man with manners and class, that even

ole Dale Carnegie might be green with envy.

Did any of Dale's books teach people how to write concisely?

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Nice post Helen Reddy.

···

________________________________
From: Meredith And Kenny <meredithandkenny@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, February 9, 2011 7:27:25 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: FK, Killing the Pink Elephant/ PETER

This is LONG People that are out of time ,However, I felt that this post is
suppose to be for someone on the group yet, it is a reply to Peter …but, if
you don't have time, it's not meant for you anyway and I don't care if you read
it or not.

My honest opinions..as good habits die hard..

No Clue about even considering 'concise' writing when it comes to
personal feelings or posting in a relaxed, conversational manner.

It's such a relief to take my breaks in having the chance to not care,
from what I've had to do meticulously for so many years in business..

in groups or emailing friends, where it doesn't Have to be judged
(although I do understand your shield of defense, I do not condone it
since I know that in my life,it wasn't workin' for me) as Dr.Phil would
say.

And especially here from the numerous grammatical errors occur daily
& so what ? am I held to another standard in your Mind, Peter ?

not in my personal enjoyment of chilling out for a wonderful change. I
used to be everyone's English teacher or rather, the annoying young lady
that got irritated by the things in life that are REALLY of NO
importance in the grand scheme of things.

I had many friends that were very grateful that I quit sweatin' the small
stuff...No Big Aha Moment There.

I have been a volunteer in Life Coaching and I had two people that I
decided to help and they both enjoyed life changes that they maintain as
I speak with them often. I've been the Extra Mom for many every since I
took a in battered Teen that has called me Mom every since (with NO
government pay, just the consent in writing through the police that they
obtained from the parents that I had all rights as far as her medical,
etc.,) were concerned. That's another LONG story Peter P E. hehe, I know
you've been teased with that name before so, it was not intended to be
mean, but, to simply try to pull a smile out of you.

In wanting to reach a larger audience, I have a Private (due to the
nature of content) Yahoo Group to Help Women realize their intrinsic
Value, along with de-coding the lies that women have been fed and have
believed for too long.

Around 2002-2003.. my expertise in writing ads is what afforded us the
luxuries that most people do not see in a life time as well as chosen
for my ad writing skills, being one of the Top 5 Power Sellers on eBay
to give advice in a How to sell jewelry on eBay. Not a Bragg, because we
all have certain gifts and talents and when we can use something that
we have a Passion to make a Fabulous Living, then, that is a Success
alone. Another long story, going from homeless, living in a van, home
schooling, for 9 months total and the first 3, the girls were visiting
my mother and my son, stayed with his Dad...to renting a small trailer
in FL and in less than 11 months, having $36k to place down on a
Beautiful Home a few doors down from Ted Williams (baseball) in a golf
community and topping $250k in our 2nd year and so on.........(kept it
concise for your brain to gather the points and connect the dots in
guessing about the details if it holds any value to you, I mean success
stories of other).

I've been praised for my creative writing skills by New friends from
this group (due to ugly replies and directly encouraging me) that find
those who have been combative in this subject as a 'common' example of
why they never post as they just don't want the negative input as you
can feel it as thick as mud by the one's that feel the need to
'testosterize' everything, called the one up-man-ship game of those
seeking to fill that void place due to stinkin- thinkin...(LOL !! yea, I
just made that word up) and instead they'd when they can be with
others that have made the same right choices to live longer without all
of the heart attack waiting to happen, stressful thinking. (these new
friends have arisen from this post and I am elated to have some new
friends that do not feel
intimidated or defensive of the truth as they are too have chosen to
live truthfully).

Thankfully, a 1st opinion came in before your unproductive post, unless
you can actually glean from something or learn. They complimented my
writing skills which I appreciated very much.

I think they were openly kind hearted after seeing the true heart of me
for myself and true intent. It's always great to be 'seen' through
realities eyes. Their account of the post greatly differs from the
pitied empty responses.

Friends are those that charge your battery, even when they are being
honest about helping you in an area of opportunity for growth and those
that drain your battery are in need of help but, not what anyone can
call friend.

I've seen 100's of MINI NOVELS come through this group without the nit
picking that you defensively jumped on...., for a lack of any other
insult or creativity, it doesn't matter anyway..hehe,.

Personally, I have enjoyed and wanted to have a discussion of the Great Things
like the account of winnings.

See, I have no bitterness or jealousy. I have seen first hand what kind
of results these patterns produce, along with not wanting to even
entertain such ugliness as the posts as the most outwardly attractive
person in the world can be disgustingly ugly when THEY make that CHOICE.
It is all choices, one at a time that either disintegrates your value
or enriches your life.

None of your nasty replies move me. Because, I can clearly see through
the words to the root of the issue. It's all the same however, your
stubborn defensive displays are a veil or a covering, like a mask that
you put on, in order to justify yourself in your mind, while not having
the courage to actually dig inside, AFRAID OF WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE ?

I'm not afraid at all, in place of fear, I am graciously happy to see
the distance of that road behind and at the same time, enjoying the now,
along with excitement and elation for the future (and this is the area
that I enjoy being a child is in the areas of wonder and still giggling)
and several members here that have internal fortitude and integrity to
actually admit their actions or inaction's and the HONORABLE humility to
take a truthful look at themselves, that I have come to feel a kindred
spirit and Respect for their Honesty today and some have said that they
had been on the defensive 'mode' for many years in the past, like I was
in my 20's..when I was in great denial of the truth about those negative
patterns that I found my self entrapped in, like a cocoon that was
about to burst with such tremendous stress but, in order to validate my
value, I'd stick to the defensive auto response,

It took me many years to realize that this position was very unhealthy
to myself and others. I broke the cycle as every one that achieves True
fulfillment after genuinely having Courage to look at myself Truthfully
no matter how ugly or ashamed I was to even have these cowardly things
clinging to me by MY OWN personal Choices.

I was desperate to change and BE the person that I would admire, if I
were in someone else's shoes...I didn't want to get comfortable in such a
dishonorable (for me) person that always saw things and spoke in the
patterns/habits, I wanted to be honorable, respectful and fill myself
with anything it would take to be that Dynamic Meredith that had all of
the makings of just that inside.

I had to relearn what was productive and I did everything that I could
actively do in order to change myself and it takes a long time to Make
that change that completely turned into a Filled to the Brim and running
over for others to benefit as well Admirable Person that I deserved to
become by simply Making a conscious CHOICE to change and to make sure
that it was on a Solid foundation, I made the changes slow and
methodically as I KNOW that old habits die hard however, all that I
needed was a few learning tools that I obtained & no, Dale Carnegie
was not my teacher..hehe,

THE hardest part was the First step to trepidly FACE the TRUTH in Every
area of my life and learning the reasons that caused my Insecurity by
example : always feeling the Need of spewing out, mean and indignant
instant 'reactions of defense' to anyone that my delusional feeling
attacked or intimidated by and it was so hard because it was like an old
familiar friend that Becomes Comfortable in the way that they are and
sheer ignorance in seeing the benefits of The Work that was necessary to
change..

I decided that I have one life to live, it would benefit my 3 kiddos, as
I was a single mother for many years while they were all little and I
owned my own business yet, I didn't like being that giver of negativism
and since I had taken Psychology courses for a few years, as I could
with 3 children, I had some knowledge but, I needed more since, at the
time (23yrs old) I started therapy to get wisdom and guidance in Methods
of letting go or working through old tapes and replace them with New
since the Old Tapes will be in my book about how far you can come from
being as low as can be in Self Esteem and the reasons started early YET,
my habits and patterns of negativity just fed the old tapes, turned the
volume up and danced all of me,..funny way to say it but, It's True .

I learned that the fearless Look at Yourself, Then, The choice to change
was something that I'll always be Glad that I did and following these
painful yet Necessary two steps, the words and actions became easier and
easier because the chemical reaction of saying and doing things to
others, that would come easy for your daughters, mothers, etc.,

Re-Read the first Post :

What if your Mother posted what I wrote in my first post, or your daughter ?

In the Light of the post coming from your daughter or mother, Would you
'respond kindly' or..... would you stubbornly hold on to your defense
mechanism and sink even further away from becoming someone that you
could be proud to know ?

Have a Good Day...for a Gamblin' we will go after while,

~ ¤(¯`*•.¸(¯`*•.¸ Meredith ¸.•*´¯)¸.•*´¯)¤ ~
TGIF- Thank God I'm Female!

--- On Wed, 2/9/11, Peter M. <midnight1626@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Peter M. <midnight1626@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: FK, Killing the Golden Deuce/plus VIP address to the
entire Group
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 9:55 PM

  &gt; &quot;ukstages&quot;  \-  you&#39;re such a charming man with manners and class, that 

even

ole Dale Carnegie might be green with envy.

Did any of Dale's books teach people how to write concisely?

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Good grief.

I never even mentioned grammar, and besides, it's possible to write
casually without being wordy.

But that's not even the point. Look, I encourage you to keep posting
in whatever style makes you happy -- all I'm saying is, how you write
just *might* be related to whether you get a response or not. I
suspect some people on here would be perfectly happy to respond to a
direct, simply-phrased question, but can't be bothered to wade through
two thousand words to find it.

Then hit the delete button and I really never want to converse with you again. Hope you get the help that I 'Perceive' that you may need, from words your very own being.....Not behavior that I would want to associate with on any level, other than you showing humility in earnest,

~ ¤(¯`*•.¸(¯`*•.¸ Meredith ¸.•*´¯)¸.•*´¯)¤ ~
TGIF- Thank God I'm Female!

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--- On Thu, 2/10/11, Peter M. <midnight1626@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Peter M. <midnight1626@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: FK, Killing the Pink Elephant/ PETER
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 4:03 AM

      Good grief.

I never even mentioned grammar, and besides, it's possible to write

casually without being wordy.

But that's not even the point. Look, I encourage you to keep posting

in whatever style makes you happy -- all I'm saying is, how you write

just *might* be related to whether you get a response or not. I

suspect some people on here would be perfectly happy to respond to a

direct, simply-phrased question, but can't be bothered to wade through

two thousand words to find it.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Good grief.

I never even mentioned grammar, and besides, it's possible
to write
casually without being wordy.

But that's not even the point. Look, I encourage you
to keep posting
in whatever style makes you happy -- all I'm saying is, how
you write
just *might* be related to whether you get a response or
not. I
suspect some people on here would be perfectly happy to
respond to a
direct, simply-phrased question, but can't be bothered to
wade through
two thousand words to find it.

···

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

My sentiments exactly. Cut the verbage and ask - or most of us will just skip it. Me? I don't even know the question since it was buried in the first post.

JW