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Howdy

Many moons ago I left some credits I was awarded by the casino on a machine and moved on to another machine. When I returned to said first spot some man with a foreign accent was downloading and playing them off. When I questioned him he gestured as if he did not understand me. I flagged a guard and he made a half ass attempt to find the bad man.

If you came across say 100 dollars in credit on an open VP machine what would you do? Play them off...cash them out and vanish..call over an attendant or guard and explain the situation? Can the casino track down the former player?

Is it considered stealing if you keep it. What part does the casino play in all this?

The Inquisitive Grump

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Had you just smacked the s*** out of the guy you would have gotten a much quicker response from security and I bet you would have seen a dramatic improvement in the jerk's English skills as well.

Ofcourse the downside is you would not be allowed in that casino anymore and you may have had to deal with some local law enforcement people. Sometimes we can't win.

Don

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, bandstand54 <BANDSTAND54@...> wrote:

Howdy

Many moons ago I left some credits I was awarded by the casino on a machine and moved on to another machine. When I returned to said first spot some man with a foreign accent was downloading and playing them off. When I questioned him he gestured as if he did not understand me. I flagged a guard and he made a half ass attempt to find the bad man.<<

During our Stay at Mandalay Bay this past weekend my wife's wallet was stolen by the elevator area. The area is very poorly designed and always crowded with people continually bunking into each other. Well someone bunked into my wife and a minute later she noticed her wallet was stolen.

We reported it to security, who really didn't seem to care or want to make an effort to catch the criminal even though we knew where and when it happened and there are cameras in the area.

We were lucky and the criminal dumped my wife's license, cell phone and glasses which someone picked up and returned. She also had a $500 ticket in the middle of some cash which unbelievably was not cashed. Even though my wife could detail the time, amount and card in the machine which was confirmed, security spent more time and effort confirming that it was my wife's ticket than making any attempt to catch the criminal. They did finally pay my wife only after they confirmed the play on the card. (we were RFB in a two bedroom suite)

While on line by security, the person behind us told us that they caught someone putting their hand in their bag by the elevators. The person ran and dropped their phone charger which was the only item taken. When I asked security why they didn't have anyone by the elevators considering the poor design, obvious problem and the fact that most casinos do, their response was that they can't be everywhere.

Be careful by the elevators at Mandalay Bay. It is pick pocket heaven. We will not be staying there again.

Joel

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I travel solo probably 10 days a month for business and pleasure.?One thing I learned a long time ago is to always have a purse or bag that zips all the way shut.? No one can just reach in or bump into me and lift it.The purses also have chain straps mostly to avoid a cut&run type offensive move.

It is so disappointing to hear that this happened at a nice casino.? But there are people everywhere looking to?take advantage?of someone.? Nice casino on strip or downtown in a questionable area.

I would certainly complain and write a letter to the hotel manager and casino manager regarding the haphazd and indifferent attitude displayed by security.? That is definitely not acceptable especially for a valued, invited guest!? Did you let your host know or someone from VIP services?
Diane

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-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Fink <joel0457@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:41 pm
Subject: [vpFREE] Wallet Stolen at Mandalay Bay

During our Stay at Mandalay Bay this past weekend my wife's wallet was stolen by the elevator area. The area is very poorly designed and always crowded with people continually bunking into each other. Well someone bunked into my wife and a minute later she noticed her wallet was stolen.

We reported it to security, who really didn't seem to care or want to make an effort to catch the criminal even though we knew where and when it happened and there are cameras in the area.

We were lucky and the criminal dumped my wife's license, cell phone and glasses which someone picked up and returned. She also had a $500 ticket in the middle of some cash which unbelievably was not cashed. Even though my wife could detail the time, amount and card in the machine which was confirmed, security spent more time and effort confirming that it was my wife's ticket than making any attempt to catch the criminal. They did finally pay my wife only after they confirmed the play on the card. (we were RFB in a two bedroom suite)

While on line by security, the person behind us told us that they caught someone putting their hand in their bag by the elevators. The person ran and dropped their phone charger which was the only item taken. When I asked security why they didn't have anyone by the elevators considering the poor design, obvious problem and the fact that most casinos do, their response was that they can't be everywhere.

Be careful by the elevators at Mandalay Bay. It is pick pocket heaven. We will not be staying there again.

Joel

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We experienced something similar in a ticket line at San Francisco Airport. My mother was "jostled", and the next thing you know a man was reaching into her purse. He ran off before help arrived. These scumbags are obviously well aware of exits and quick hiding places.

I call it "bump and run", but there are other techniques. An old lady (an accomplice) can drop something, and as you turn and try to help her someone whisks your bag away. By the time you turn back and figure out what happened Granny is gone too.

One last thing which my sister told me about in an email yesterday. And it's a doozie.

You get a call from "Municipal Court" saying you did not report for jury duty, and an arrest warrant has been issued. After you respond that you never received any jury service info (or ignored it) you are asked for your social security number and date of birth to stop the arrest warrant. BINGO - your identity was just stolen.

In all these situations distraction is a ket element. Always be attentive. And the vpFREE member who suggested purses with a zipper in public places is on the right track. Anything that delays a thief makes him or her less likely to victimize you.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Joel Fink <joel0457@...> wrote:

During our Stay at Mandalay Bay this past weekend my wife's wallet was stolen by the elevator area. The area is very poorly designed and always crowded with people continually bunking into each other. Well someone bunked into my wife and a minute later she noticed her wallet was stolen.

We reported it to security, who really didn't seem to care or want to make an effort to catch the criminal even though we knew where and when it happened and there are cameras in the area.

We were lucky and the criminal dumped my wife's license, cell phone and glasses which someone picked up and returned. She also had a $500 ticket in the middle of some cash which unbelievably was not cashed. Even though my wife could detail the time, amount and card in the machine which was confirmed, security spent more time and effort confirming that it was my wife's ticket than making any attempt to catch the criminal. They did finally pay my wife only after they confirmed the play on the card. (we were RFB in a two bedroom suite)

While on line by security, the person behind us told us that they caught someone putting their hand in their bag by the elevators. The person ran and dropped their phone charger which was the only item taken. When I asked security why they didn't have anyone by the elevators considering the poor design, obvious problem and the fact that most casinos do, their response was that they can't be everywhere.

Be careful by the elevators at Mandalay Bay. It is pick pocket heaven. We will not be staying there again.

Joel

I travel a great deal also. Most of the time I am traveling alone.
However, the two times that my wallet was stolen, I had another
person with me.

The first crime was perpetrated in an outdoor market in Oaxaca, Mexico. My adult daughter and I were holding hands, so as not to
be separated in the crowded market, as walked around,looking at the lovely Mexican artifacts.

Suddenly, we were surrounded by two men and an old woman. The men pushed between us, while the woman jostled me off balance, grabbing me while apologizing profusely. The trio then disappeared in the flash of an eye, leaving the zipper of my purse open, and my wallet gone.

Fortunately, I had left most of my cash and my passport in the hotel safe. But the thieves did get over $400 in American and Mexican cash, my driver's license, insurance cards, treasured
photos and two credit cards.

After having our day ruined by spending three hours in the Oaxaca police department (as a police officer laboriously typed up the report on a 50 year old Underwood manual typewriter) and calling
the US to inform my husband about the credit cards, DL and Insurance cards which he needed to cancel, I vowed that I would never again
be careless enough to have this happen to me a second time.

About six months later, after arriving at Charles De Gaulle airport early in the morning, after a sleepless nine hour flight, EH and I entered an elevator, to access a different level of the airport.

We were each dragging a wheelie, with a flight bag on top, and my purse (the same one I had been carrying in Oaxaca) was hanging from my shoulder.

There was an attractive young man and woman on the elevator when
we entered. They were carrying flight bags and appeared to be travelers. As they exited the elevator on the second floor, the
man jostled me slightly. I didn't think about it til we got off
on the third flooor, and EH noticed that my purse was unzipped.
With a sinking heart, I immediately saw that my passport case was gone, together with our passports, credit cards, $500 in American and French money, plane tickets, and all of our pertinent hotel and plane reservation documents.

We immediately went to the police station located in the airport,
and told our tale of woe to an English speaking gendarme. After
the policeman completed the report, he called the American Embassy
in Paris so that we could report the lost passports. Just as EH
was telling someone in the embassy what had transpired, another
policeman came up to us, carrying my passport case. It had been spotted in a garbage receptacle, and turned into the police!

Miracle of miracles, every credit card, passport, ticket and reservation was still in the case. Only the money was gone. We considered ourselves extremely fortunate. This once more bore out
EH's contention that, "It's much more important to be lucky when you're unlucky, than when you're lucky!"

The zippered purse that I had been carrying in both of those burglaries, was the same. It was a large, leather, box shaped bag,
with a zipper that started on the bottom of one side. and went all
the way across the top of the purse, and down the other side. It had been one of my favorite purses.

I bought a new purse in Paris, and left the old one in our hotel room. The new bag, and every bag that I've purchased since that
time (over ten years ago) has a wide flap on top, which closes OVER the zipper, and can be well secured, with some kind of locking device. There is no way a thief can get a hand inside the purse.
I've had no problems since that time.

I do suggest that when buying a new purse, or carrying an old one, that due caution is used in regard to how securely the purse closes, so as to foil potential pick pockets or wallet thieves. Do NOT carry
purses that have no protective flap over the zipper closure.

~Babe~

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, HRDiane@... wrote:

I travel solo probably 10 days a month for business and pleasure.
One thing I learned a long time ago is to always have a purse or
bag that zips all the way shut. No one can just reach in or bump into me and lift it.The purses also have chain straps mostly to avoid a cut&run type offensive move...........