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Few questions regarding Atlantis and Reno VP in general...

#1

Not just aggressiveness. Speed counts too! The faster others play on the
same bank, the more your TOTAL ER is reduced.

Hand by hand, your EV (which is a function ONLY of the paytable, the level
of the progressive, and your strategy) is not affected by the play of others
on the same bank. But their play DOES affect the likely duration before the
Royal is hit. Since total ER = EV/hand X total hands played, anything that
reduces the expected number of hands YOU play (like other players' speed and
aggressiveness) reduces your total earn. Not necessarily your earn/hour, but with
reduced hours you get a reduced total ER.

Brian

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In a message dated 2/5/2007 11:37:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,
harry.porter@verizon.net writes:

An added observation concerning progressives that may be interesting
to note:

As a consequence of what I outlined, it's the one play where your ER
is dependent upon the play of the person next to you. (I'm talking
their hold strategy, and not just the fact that their pounding the
buttons or whistling "Dixie" :slight_smile:

The more aggressively they play for a RF, the smaller your ER (we're
talking very modest increments, of course).

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#2

bjaygold wrote:

Not just aggressiveness. Speed counts too! The faster others play on
the same bank, the more your TOTAL ER is reduced.

Hand by hand, your EV (which is a function ONLY of the paytable, the
level of the progressive, and your strategy) is not affected by the
play of others on the same bank. But their play DOES affect the
likely duration before the Royal is hit. Since total ER = EV/hand X
total hands played, anything that reduces the expected number of
hands YOU play (like other players' speed and aggressiveness) reduces
your total earn. Not necessarily your earn/hour, but with
reduced hours you get a reduced total ER.

I'll respectively disagree, Brian ... I assert that EV is affected by
the speed of others, not ER. You're correct in pointing out that the
speed of other affects the economics of your play. The faster they
play, the smaller the likelihood that you'll be the one to hit the
meter on any one RF cycle on the bank.

However, no matter what their speed, the average value of the meter
when hit is unchanged, one of the two variables I identified in
determining your play ER.

The other variable, the strategy that you employ is also unchanged.
Consequently, there's no impact to your ER.

A modestly different form of the equation you cite:
Total EV per play period = ER x hands played in period

If you assume that you walk into a casino and play the progressive
bank until it's hit, the faster others play, the fewer hands you can
be expected to have played when the bank is hit. With constant ER,
the EV for that session falls proportionately to the increase in other
player speed.

Still, your EV per hour is changed. ER and hands played are constants
for a specific period of time. It's only when the period is expressed
as time between hits on the bank that your EV falls as a consequence
of your expected lower total playing time.

- Harry