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Farewell and good luck to all

In a message dated 1/12/2005 10:50:20 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
vpFREE@yahoogroups.com writes:

<<< Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 04:43:53 -0000

...
I hope you are correct in your prediction that ROJ will be back
sometime in the future.

Cheers,

For those who miss ROJ so much, contact him directly, ask what boards he
subscribes to & subscribe to the same ones. I can't imagine ROJ not posting
somewhere. He needs an audience. Just remember he doesn't want any objective
feedback.

When ROJ was suspended, I thought the digests would be cut in half. But it
looks like others have stepped in to fill the void. Some may be bored with the
lack of pot-stirring & liken the current atmosphere to plain vanilla. But I
like vanilla. That's why I hope ROJ's pout becomes permanent.

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From: "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Farewell and good luck to all

In a message dated 1/12/2005 10:50:20 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
vpFREE@yahoogroups.com writes:

<<< Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 04:43:53 -0000
From: "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@y...>
Subject: Re: Farewell and good luck to all

...
I hope you are correct in your prediction that ROJ will be back
sometime in the future.

Cheers,

>>>

For those who miss ROJ so much, contact him directly, ask what

boards he

subscribes to & subscribe to the same ones. I can't imagine ROJ

not posting

somewhere. He needs an audience. Just remember he doesn't want

any objective

feedback.

When ROJ was suspended, I thought the digests would be cut in

half. But it

looks like others have stepped in to fill the void. Some may be

bored with the

lack of pot-stirring & liken the current atmosphere to plain

vanilla. But I

like vanilla. That's why I hope ROJ's pout becomes permanent.

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Hi Glenn,

It's nice to hear from you again.

I have read your post carefully, and thought about it for awhile,
before sending this response. I'm afraid that as much as I value
your opinion, I must respectfully disagree with your premise. (And
I do mean RESPECTFULLY! I know that you've been a great help to
many on this board, both newbies & oldbies, and I very much enjoy
your posts and value your informed opinions).

As to your suggestion that I correspond privately with ROJ,your
point is well taken. I have done that, and enjoyed our exchange of
ideas.

Your further suggestion that I "join other boards to which ROJ
subscribes", is, I believe, not a valid argument as to whether ROJ
should also be welcome to express his thoughts on this board.

Perhaps, if I had unlimited time to post on many boards, I would not
feel that I was deprived of reading ROJ's (IMO interesting) posts on
vpFREE. As it is, I already spend much too much time, posting on
this forum (both privately and publicly) and time would not permit
me to post on other forums as well.

But, more importantly, to me, a free flow of ideas, even those that
are controversial to most, should be permitted to be aired on forums
such as this. Of course, all posters should be subject to the NPC
rule that is now in effect.

In this regard, I really felt that ROJ had made much progress.
Comparing his recent posts to those of 3 or4 months ago, it seemed
obvious (to me) that he was trying to respond to those who disagreed
with him, in a much more civil manner. Others, I'm sure will
disagree with me, and that is also fine.

If we all posted messages consisting of nothing but total agreement
with each other, what would be the point?

I guess that what this all comes down to, is the strong belief that
we should all be free to post our opinions (including those that may
seem outragious to the majority of us) as long as the posts are
civil and within the realm of polite discourse.

Cheers,

Babe

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, TedChee@a... wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@y...>
wrote:

> In a message dated 1/12/2005 10:50:20 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> vpFREE@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
> <<< Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 04:43:53 -0000
> From: "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@y...>
> Subject: Re: Farewell and good luck to all
>
> ...
> I hope you are correct in your prediction that ROJ will be back
> sometime in the future.
>
> Cheers,
>
> >>>
>
> For those who miss ROJ so much, contact him directly, ask what
boards he
> subscribes to & subscribe to the same ones. I can't imagine ROJ
not posting
> somewhere. He needs an audience. Just remember he doesn't want
any objective
> feedback.
>
> When ROJ was suspended, I thought the digests would be cut in
half. But it
> looks like others have stepped in to fill the void. Some may be
bored with the
> lack of pot-stirring & liken the current atmosphere to plain
vanilla. But I
> like vanilla. That's why I hope ROJ's pout becomes permanent.
>
>=============================================

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi Glenn,

It's nice to hear from you again.

I have read your post carefully, and thought about it for awhile,
before sending this response. I'm afraid that as much as I value
your opinion, I must respectfully disagree with your premise. (And
I do mean RESPECTFULLY! I know that you've been a great help to
many on this board, both newbies & oldbies, and I very much enjoy
your posts and value your informed opinions).

As to your suggestion that I correspond privately with ROJ,your
point is well taken. I have done that, and enjoyed our exchange of
ideas.

Your further suggestion that I "join other boards to which ROJ
subscribes", is, I believe, not a valid argument as to whether ROJ
should also be welcome to express his thoughts on this board.

Perhaps, if I had unlimited time to post on many boards, I would not
feel that I was deprived of reading ROJ's (IMO interesting) posts on
vpFREE. As it is, I already spend much too much time, posting on
this forum (both privately and publicly) and time would not permit
me to post on other forums as well.

But, more importantly, to me, a free flow of ideas, even those that
are controversial to most, should be permitted to be aired on forums
such as this. Of course, all posters should be subject to the NPC
rule that is now in effect.

In this regard, I really felt that ROJ had made much progress.
Comparing his recent posts to those of 3 or4 months ago, it seemed
obvious (to me) that he was trying to respond to those who disagreed
with him, in a much more civil manner. Others, I'm sure will
disagree with me, and that is also fine.

If we all posted messages consisting of nothing but total agreement
with each other, what would be the point?

I guess that what this all comes down to, is the strong belief that
we should all be free to post our opinions (including those that may
seem outragious to the majority of us) as long as the posts are
civil and within the realm of polite discourse.

Cheers,

Babe

Babe, I agree with most of your argument. My problem with ROJ was that his
responses to disagreement were often not civil or polite. My one response
toh im got a "shut up and go away". I won't miss him. Ray

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, TedChee@a... wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "poochiekr4536l" <poochiekr4536l@y...>
wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@y...>
wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 1/12/2005 10:50:20 P.M. Pacific Standard

Time,

> > vpFREE@yahoogroups.com writes:
> >
> > <<< Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 04:43:53 -0000
> > From: "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@y...>
> > Subject: Re: Farewell and good luck to all
> >

> we should all be free to post our opinions (including those that

may

> seem outragious to the majority of us) as long as the posts are
> civil and within the realm of polite discourse.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Babe

But they NEVER were "civil" or "polite". jellyrock wanted be treated
better than he or she treated others, never works

freedom of speach does not give the right to demand an audience, nor
does protect you from the results of your actions or from crticism

kevin wil be back

M J

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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, TedChee@a... wrote: