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Expected return 8/5 Jacks progressive

#1

Traveling; I have access to 8/5 jacks or better with progressive for royal by suit; progressives are at 4400, 4800, 6000, and 8400 coins, approx., for the respective suits (which suits get which progressive doesn't matter, of course, until you hit one of them).

I suspect this is still far less return than 9/6 non-progressive.

Can anyone calculate the expected return on a machine with these four jackpots? Am I correct in assuming that they are equivalent to a single progressive that is the average of the four separate jackpots, ie, about 5900?

Thanks.

BG

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#2

You are correct - the average royal payout is 5900 coins.
At 4000 coins the RF is worth about 2% of the payback. Add 1% more for the RF
bonus.

BUT - 8/5 vs 9/6 costs you 2.2%.

This game's ER is about (99.54% plus 1.0% minus 2.2%) = 98.3%.

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From: Barry Glazer <b.glazer@att.net>
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Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 12:11:59 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Expected return 8/5 Jacks progressive

Traveling; I have access to 8/5 jacks or better with progressive for royal by
suit; progressives are at 4400, 4800, 6000, and 8400 coins, approx., for the
respective suits (which suits get which progressive doesn't matter, of course,
until you hit one of them).

I suspect this is still far less return than 9/6 non-progressive.

Can anyone calculate the expected return on a machine with these four jackpots?
Am I correct in assuming that they are equivalent to a single progressive that
is the average of the four separate jackpots, ie, about 5900?

Thanks.

BG

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#3

Averaging the royals isn't perfect (but probably close) because the game is not symmetric. A large progressive in one suit will force the perfect player to play for that progressive more aggressively, so that progressive will be hit more frequently.

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On Nov 12, 2010, at 12:05 PM, BLavoie <blavoie46@yahoo.com> wrote:

You are correct - the average royal payout is 5900 coins.
At 4000 coins the RF is worth about 2% of the payback. Add 1% more for the RF
bonus.

BUT - 8/5 vs 9/6 costs you 2.2%.

This game's ER is about (99.54% plus 1.0% minus 2.2%) = 98.3%.

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From: Barry Glazer <b.glazer@att.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 12:11:59 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Expected return 8/5 Jacks progressive

Traveling; I have access to 8/5 jacks or better with progressive for royal by
suit; progressives are at 4400, 4800, 6000, and 8400 coins, approx., for the
respective suits (which suits get which progressive doesn't matter, of course,
until you hit one of them).

I suspect this is still far less return than 9/6 non-progressive.

Can anyone calculate the expected return on a machine with these four jackpots?
Am I correct in assuming that they are equivalent to a single progressive that
is the average of the four separate jackpots, ie, about 5900?

Thanks.

BG

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#4

Averaging royals is fine for figuring out ER. The asymetry comes into play when determining correct strategy. I've played progs like this on occasion and it is interesting changing gears depending on what suit your royal draw comes on.

Chandler

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jason Pawloski <jpawloski@...> wrote:

Averaging the royals isn't perfect (but probably close) because the game is not symmetric. A large progressive in one suit will force the perfect player to play for that progressive more aggressively, so that progressive will be hit more frequently.

#5

If you didn't adjust your strategy for the progressive and used regular 4000 coin optimal strategy, your expected return would go from 97.298% to 98.244%. You can get this by multiplying the percentage return contributed by the royal flush by 5900/4000. If you play by perfect strategy for a 5900 coin progressive, this increases the expected return slightly to 98.325%. If you go a little further and play using 4 perfect strategies, based on the card or cards you are holding towards a royal flush, by averaging the expected return for each of the 4 strategies I got 98.356%. I'm not sure that averaging the results of the 4 strategies is the correct way to get the expected return, but it should at least be very close. Technically, for hands that hold no royal flush cards you would really need a 5th strategy based on the 5900 coin average, but I'm guessing that it's unlikely that for those hands there would be any difference compared to the normal 4000 coin strategy.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Barry Glazer <b.glazer@...> wrote:

Traveling; I have access to 8/5 jacks or better with progressive for royal by suit; progressives are at 4400, 4800, 6000, and 8400 coins, approx., for the respective suits (which suits get which progressive doesn't matter, of course, until you hit one of them).

I suspect this is still far less return than 9/6 non-progressive.

Can anyone calculate the expected return on a machine with these four jackpots? Am I correct in assuming that they are equivalent to a single progressive that is the average of the four separate jackpots, ie, about 5900?

Thanks.

BG