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Error on NSUD card

Should be wild plus 567-TJQ.

The increase in EV is insignificant, but the play also decreases variance a
bit. You can increase the EV by learning when to keep just the Deuce, and
when to keep the straight4. Still pretty insignificant, though.

I had an e-mail correspondence with a friend on this subject six years ago,
and he found the result of my Deuce calculations. In hands which contain
an open-ended straight4 with a Deuce, the Deuce alone, on average, is worth
4.9925 coins.

Five shows the EV increase for always holding the straight4, over always
holding the Deuce. Can anyone calculate the EV increase for "perfect play"
on this type of hand, over always holding the Deuce? I'll take a wild guess
and say it's around .002%. Woo again! :slight_smile:

Brian

PS: Here are the complete rules for perfect play on these hands:

Hold the straight4 from W567 unless the fifth card is Q, K, or A

Hold the straight4 from W678 unless the fifth card is 3, A, or a suited K
(suited with either the 6, 7, or 8)

Hold the straight4 from W789 unless the fifth card is 3 or a suited 4

Hold the straight4 from W89T always

Hold the straight4 from W9TJ always

Hold the straight4 from WTJQ unless the fifth card is a 3

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In a message dated 4/14/2010 8:24:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
fivespot55@gmail.com writes:

according to frugal, the expected return of NSUD when you always hold
wild plus ST3 0i (567-89T) over the bare deuce is 99.72585%. the
expected return when you never hold wild four-straights is 99.72522%.
so your chart as printed is a full 0.0006% better than your chart with
your suggested modification, woo. :slight_smile:

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Should be wild plus 567-TJQ.

duh, of course. thanks for the catch.

Five shows the EV increase for always holding the straight4, over always
holding the Deuce. Can anyone calculate the EV increase for "perfect play"
on this type of hand, over always holding the Deuce? I'll take a wild guess
and say it's around .002%. Woo again! :slight_smile:

VPW gives a penalty-free strategy of always holding the wild ST4 with
789-TJQ, and never holding 567-678 with a deuce, which gets you up to
99.72611% - about 0.00025% better than frugal's suggested strategy.

it will also generate an "error report", which reveals that perfect
play is 0.00218% better than strategy play, of which 0.00024% can be
attributed to playing wild ST4's perfectly. for every 100 hours that
you play $1 NSUD, knowing those perfect rules might save you a dollar!

(personally, the next time i teach someone to play NSUD, i'm leaving
the "wild ST4" line off their chart entirely. one less thing to think
about - and be distracted by, possibly inducing errors that actually
matter - is worth 0.001% any day in my book.)

cheers,

five

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On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:56 PM, <bjaygold@aol.com> wrote: