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double super times poker

#1

I asked this question a few weeks ago. Do any of you math types have any thoughts about this?

On the WizardofOdds web site;

On the super times pay page last updated Feb 23, 2009, the avg multiplyer is stated to be 4.05.

On the double super times page last update Nov 10, 2010, the avg multiplyer is stated to be 4.01.

If the multiplyer is in fact 4.01, I calculate no advantage to playing 7 coins over 6 coins or even over 5 coins.

Is the 4.01 a misprint (it appears twice) or am I doing something wrong with my math?

Bill C.

#2

Bill Chute wrote: If the multiplyer is in fact 4.01, I calculate no advantage to playing 7 coins over 6 coins or even over 5 coins.
Is the 4.01 a misprint (it appears twice) or am I doing something wrong with my math?

I do not know what you are doing with your math. IGT data shows that Double Super Times Pay returns are exactly 0.50% HIGHER than the base game. For example, 8/5 Bonus Poker returns 99.167% with 5 coins and 99.667% with 7 coins --- assuming you're playing perfectly. Whenever I'm trying to decide of this game and game-mode are right for me in a particular casino, I'll use the 0.50% figure and not attempt to do my own calculation. Bob
    
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#3

I answered this the last time you asked. It is very rare (Once in 9746100)
but on the dealt royal if a deal multiplier was coming then both the deal
and draw get the 10x multiplier.

The 4.01 appears in the help screen on the machine so it is correct. The
dealt RF bonus adds about 15.66 *4000 = 62640 per 69212700 coins in or about
0.0905%. (This assumes that you get the 2nd multiplier once every 15 hands
on average. EG 20-(4.01)-(4.01/15)) The two 4.01s add 0.0952% if the base
game is 100% so about 0.0948% for 9-6 jacks. Thus 9-6 jacks is about 99.73%
for dbl super times pay versus 99.82% for normal super times pay.

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billchute2
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 8:37 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] double super times poker

I asked this question a few weeks ago. Do any of you math types have any
thoughts about this?

On the WizardofOdds web site;

On the super times pay page last updated Feb 23, 2009, the avg multiplyer is
stated to be 4.05.

On the double super times page last update Nov 10, 2010, the avg multiplyer
is stated to be 4.01.

If the multiplyer is in fact 4.01, I calculate no advantage to playing 7
coins over 6 coins or even over 5 coins.

Is the 4.01 a misprint (it appears twice) or am I doing something wrong with
my math?

Bill C.

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#4

the latter. 1/15 of the time you get the deal multiplier for 4.01
times the base return, 1/15 of the time you get the draw multiplier
for 4.01 times the base return, sometimes you get both but we're
already counting that, and (14/15)*(14/15) of the time you get neither
multiplier so you get 1.0 times the base return.

combined return is 2*(1/15)*4.01 + (14/15)*(14/15)*1.0 = 1.4058 times
the base return. you're putting in 1.4 times as many coins (7 instead
of 5), so divide that by 1.4 and you get 1.0041 times the base return
- the DSTP game is 0.41% better.

the "you get 20x on any dealt royal with a deal multiplier" gimmick
adds another 0.09%, so the overall EV is 0.5% better, which agrees
with the figures from IGT and shackleford.

cheers,

five

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billchute2 <billchute2@yahoo.com> wrote:

Is the 4.01 a misprint (it appears twice) or am I doing something wrong with my math?

#5

Thank you! Your calculations are dead accurate and I tried to over think the
first part of it completely messing it up.

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fivespot
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 6:17 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] double super times poker

billchute2 <billchute2@yahoo.com <mailto:billchute2%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

Is the 4.01 a misprint (it appears twice) or am I doing something wrong

with my math?

the latter. 1/15 of the time you get the deal multiplier for 4.01
times the base return, 1/15 of the time you get the draw multiplier
for 4.01 times the base return, sometimes you get both but we're
already counting that, and (14/15)*(14/15) of the time you get neither
multiplier so you get 1.0 times the base return.

combined return is 2*(1/15)*4.01 + (14/15)*(14/15)*1.0 = 1.4058 times
the base return. you're putting in 1.4 times as many coins (7 instead
of 5), so divide that by 1.4 and you get 1.0041 times the base return
- the DSTP game is 0.41% better.

the "you get 20x on any dealt royal with a deal multiplier" gimmick
adds another 0.09%, so the overall EV is 0.5% better, which agrees
with the figures from IGT and shackleford.

cheers,

five

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#6

I thank every one for their help. I was trying to multiply 4.01 times the frequency of occorance for each hand. Didnot work out right.

Bill C

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pyiddy" <pyiddy@...> wrote:

Thank you! Your calculations are dead accurate and I tried to over think the
first part of it completely messing it up.

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
fivespot
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 6:17 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] double super times poker

billchute2 <billchute2@... <mailto:billchute2%40yahoo.com> > wrote:
> Is the 4.01 a misprint (it appears twice) or am I doing something wrong
with my math?

the latter. 1/15 of the time you get the deal multiplier for 4.01
times the base return, 1/15 of the time you get the draw multiplier
for 4.01 times the base return, sometimes you get both but we're
already counting that, and (14/15)*(14/15) of the time you get neither
multiplier so you get 1.0 times the base return.

combined return is 2*(1/15)*4.01 + (14/15)*(14/15)*1.0 = 1.4058 times
the base return. you're putting in 1.4 times as many coins (7 instead
of 5), so divide that by 1.4 and you get 1.0041 times the base return
- the DSTP game is 0.41% better.

the "you get 20x on any dealt royal with a deal multiplier" gimmick
adds another 0.09%, so the overall EV is 0.5% better, which agrees
with the figures from IGT and shackleford.

cheers,

five

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