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Double Points Runaround

Here is an example of the typical type of screw up that one might run
into when dealing with slot clubs. Be prepared for this type of
thing, and don't be afraid to question the word of the casino people.

I recently played a double points promotion at a southern area
casino. This was one of those deals where you have to sign up for
the double points prior to play, and they are later credited to your
account manually.

I signed up for the double points, and played for quite a while. At
the end of the day the card reader showed enough (single) points for
about $170 in cash back, so I expected to get $340 when I cashed in
my points. I left and came back the next morning to cash in my
points, which the slot booth lady said amounted to $170. I asked if
they had manually doubled the points yet, and she said that they
had. So I asked her to check again because I didn't think that my
points had been doubled. She checked, and said she needed to get her
supervisor to look at my account. Supervisor looked at my account
and said "but you didn't play any yesterday". I told her that I had
played a LOT yesterday, and what about all the points on my card?
She said "those points are showing up as being played TODAY!" So I
asked her (1) Why would I sign up for double points, and then not
play at all on that day, but then (2) turn around a play a huge
number of points on the very next day, which (3) would be impossible
because I had been asleep and had not been in the casino the second
day until just now when I came in to collect my cash back? I also
suggested that it was possible that I had run "overtime" by a few
minutes the previous night, which might have caused the computer to
credit all of my points onto the following day for some wierd
reason. I was very nice about the whole thing, which I think helped
because she agreed with me and went ahead and credited the double
points without further argument.

After this episode, I had a few observations:

(1) In situations like this, know before hand what you should be
getting from the slot club. If what they tell you doesn't match your
calculations, keep asking questions until either they give you what
you deserve, or you are satisfied that you have made a mistake.
(2) It helps to know a casino's slot club system as well, if not
better, than the casino employees themselves.
(3) People who are unable or unwilling to make the calculations to
correlate points to cash back are at a real disadvantage. If I
didn't know what my points should have been worth, I would have just
taken the slot person's word that my points had already been doubled,
and would have missed out on $170.
(4) Here is yet another reason to despise those mystery systems such
as what you might find at a Harrah's casino. Without knowing how
many points I had earned, or how much those points were worth, I
would not have had any ammunition for my argument.
(5) Don't get mad or upset when this type of problem happens (which
it will - sooner or later). Just state the facts calmly and
clearly.

EE

AC Harrah's is having a "triple points" for all of Jan/February promotion.
Last week I went to the comp machine to collect my cashback - which I
figured was at least $100 - but the machine said "no cashback is available
at this time". Ok - so I walked over to the diamond club booth and the
boothling just repeated what the machine said "0 cashback". I explained - I
was here last weekend and pumped at least $15,000 into your machines for a
$1500 loss - are you going to tell me you have no record of that ! ?" She
navigated the computer screens and found yes indeed I was telling the truth.
She and a supervisor finally figured out the glitch - They claim my wife
gave them a statement , years back, that she never wanted any promotional
literature from Harrah's , and this put a block on any cashback appearing on
comp machines.
I'm in the computer business and I can tell you this is BIZARRE to say the
least !
My wife said 'she did no such thing', so they removed the "I don't want to
hear from Harrah's ' checkmark against the joint account and I was able to
get my $183 cash back due.
So your right - you have to be able to have an idea of what's due you -
cause they rarely overpay but often screw something up which ends up
screwing you.
regards...Tom

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----- Original Message ----- >

(4) Here is yet another reason to despise those mystery systems such
as what you might find at a Harrah's casino. Without knowing how
many points I had earned, or how much those points were worth, I
would not have had any ammunition for my argument.

Good advice all around.

Speaking of Harrah's: I just about have their system
figured out. By this, I mean to say I can accurately
predict what my Rewards Credits and Tier Score should
be based on how much I have played at one of their
casinos. Not even Harrah's booth mutants have a clue
how to do this (at least I haven't met one who could).

I may post a "Harrah's Total Rewards Primer" after I
run a few more tests (and submit my name to the Nobel
Prize folks).

One thing I can tell you now is that their Double &
Triple Points coupons lie. They say, "it may take 72
hours for your extra points to show up." I have seen
it take four days (96 hours) a couple of times. I
have also seen the points added after my last gambling
session, but before I left the casino! It's ____ like
this that adds to the confusion.

carlos

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--- eecounter <eecounter@hotmail.com> wrote:

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Here is an example of the typical type of screw up
that one might run
into when dealing with slot clubs...[etc].

I would love to see what the booth mutants at Harrah's
are seeing on their terminals when they look up info
about a customer's account.

Your experience echos what has happened to me (and a
lot of other players, I suspect): When you first ask
them a question, they look at your account real quick
and give you an answer. If you feel it's not the
right answer and press them on it, they click the
mouse and type something and VEEOLA! there is "some
other screen" they see that makes them react like,
"Oh. I see. You're right. You DO have $XX.XX worth of
cash/food/etc. coming to you."

Why the hell don't they just look at ALL the
information that pertains to the customer before they
try to blow them off with an incomplete/innaccurate
answer? Do they not see how this irritates the ____
out of people?

carlos

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--- tomflush <tomflush@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

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----- Original Message ----- >

(4) Here is yet another reason to despise those

mystery systems such

as what you might find at a Harrah's casino.

Without knowing how

many points I had earned, or how much those points

were worth, I

would not have had any ammunition for my argument.

AC Harrah's is having a "triple points" for all of
Jan/February promotion.
Last week I went to the comp machine to collect my
cashback - which I
figured was at least $100 - but the machine said "no
cashback is available
at this time". Ok - so I walked over to the diamond
club booth and the
boothling just repeated what the machine said "0
cashback". I explained - I
was here last weekend and pumped at least $15,000 into
your machines for a
$1500 loss - are you going to tell me you have no
record of that ! ?" She
navigated the computer screens and found yes indeed I
was telling the truth.
She and a supervisor finally figured out the glitch -
They claim my wife
gave them a statement , years back, that she never
wanted any promotional
literature from Harrah's , and this put a block on any
cashback appearing on
comp machines.
I'm in the computer business and I can tell you this
is BIZARRE to say the
least !
My wife said 'she did no such thing', so they removed
the "I don't want to
hear from Harrah's ' checkmark against the joint
account and I was able to
get my $183 cash back due.
So your right - you have to be able to have an idea of
what's due you -
cause they rarely overpay but often screw something up
which ends up
screwing you.
regards...Tom

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