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Double Pay Poker Question

#1

Double Pay Poker allows you to place a separate 5 coin bet on the dealt hand as well as your draw hand. Think of it as combining your favorite draw poker game with a stud game that has different payouts.

Clearly, one major appeal of Double Pay Poker is the quite rare instance of a dealt royal. The payout is impressive: 60,000 coins for max bet. Anybody is thrilled to get a 4000 coin dealt royal. But, I bet you'd be at least slightly more excited to get 15 times that normal payout (plus your usual 4000 coins per hand if the royal is on the bottom or center Spin Poker line).

Back to reality: getting there is half the fun (or challenge, I should say). Most of the Double Pay Poker games you see are badly shorted on the draw portion of the game. We all know that a 97% return makes it difficult to even survive, much less long enough to see a dealt royal on one of your hands. The word "unplayable" comes to mind.

But what about the "dealt" hand paytable? More bad news: Wizard of Odds shows those payouts generating about a 97% return as well.

Doesn't help much, does it?

So, I'm wondering if any of you has looked carefully enough at the "DEALT" hand paytable on Double Pay Poker to see if there are rare instances when that return is a bit better than the usual 97%. Perhaps there's a greater payout for a 4K. Or maybe there's some subtle other change that might help things a bit. I had always assumed "DEALT" paytables were pretty nuch standardized, but maybe I didn't take a close enough look.

Thanks,

Mikey

#2

There are only about three or four different pay tables for each game type
on Double Pay and the dealt hand pay table will always be the same for a
particular normal VP pay table. Since half the game has no error potential
by the players this game will tend to have lower EV pay tables. For about
two years the Majestic Star (Gary IN) where I am the VP free monitor had the
full pay versions (9-7 TDB was the best at about 99.2% followed by IL Deuces
at about 99.1%.) in triple/five play format.

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Subject: [vpFREE] Double Pay Poker Question

Double Pay Poker allows you to place a separate 5 coin bet on the dealt hand
as well as your draw hand. Think of it as combining your favorite draw poker
game with a stud game that has different payouts.

Clearly, one major appeal of Double Pay Poker is the quite rare instance of
a dealt royal. The payout is impressive: 60,000 coins for max bet. Anybody
is thrilled to get a 4000 coin dealt royal. But, I bet you'd be at least
slightly more excited to get 15 times that normal payout (plus your usual
4000 coins per hand if the royal is on the bottom or center Spin Poker
line).

Back to reality: getting there is half the fun (or challenge, I should say).
Most of the Double Pay Poker games you see are badly shorted on the draw
portion of the game. We all know that a 97% return makes it difficult to
even survive, much less long enough to see a dealt royal on one of your
hands. The word "unplayable" comes to mind.

But what about the "dealt" hand paytable? More bad news: Wizard of Odds
shows those payouts generating about a 97% return as well.

Doesn't help much, does it?

So, I'm wondering if any of you has looked carefully enough at the "DEALT"
hand paytable on Double Pay Poker to see if there are rare instances when
that return is a bit better than the usual 97%. Perhaps there's a greater
payout for a 4K. Or maybe there's some subtle other change that might help
things a bit. I had always assumed "DEALT" paytables were pretty nuch
standardized, but maybe I didn't take a close enough look.

Thanks,

Mikey

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#3

The paytables are standardized by the manufacturer. Also, the percent return for the dealt portion of the game matches (roughly) the percent return for the draw pay table. In other words, if you find a Double Pay with near 99% games like 15/9 Deuces or 9/7/5 Double Bonus, then the dealt part of the game will also return somewhere around 99%. The bad draw paytables will have correspondingly bad dealt paytables to go along with them.

The return for the dealt portion of the game can be calculated fairly easily if you have Excel and a list of 5 card dealt poker hand frequencies.

Double Pay is a fun game to play, but the problem is that most Double Pay games you find are set to the bad pay tables. Just a guess, but I'm thinking the potential 60,000 coin payout for a flopped royal (which can occur on any of the lines) might tend to scare slot supervisors away from offering these games with the good ~99% pay tables.

EE

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mikeymic" <mikeymic@...> wrote:

So, I'm wondering if any of you has looked carefully enough at the "DEALT" hand paytable on Double Pay Poker to see if there are rare instances when that return is a bit better than the usual 97%. Perhaps there's a greater payout for a 4K. Or maybe there's some subtle other change that might help things a bit. I had always assumed "DEALT" paytables were pretty nuch standardized, but maybe I didn't take a close enough look.