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I never learned this game because I heard it was complicated and very few casinos offer full pay. I think I found a 100.07% one with some cash back and comps- not sure about the rate. Problem is that it is only available in $5. Now I know the volatility is going to be very high. I know there is a site somewhere that can calculate ROR. Could someone remind me what the site is? I am going to check it out later today and make sure I wrote down the correct pay table and I will try and find out the cash back rate. I know my friend also gets some freeplay in the mail. She has $100 for today but again, I have no idea what this is based on.

Sylvia

Quick update- Cash back .1%, comps .1% . You get both. VPfree2 does not say anything about a different rate for slots vs VP. I almost forgot to check vpfree2 but it does not list this game.

I find double double to be one of the easier games to learn.

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On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 11:18 AM, sgosl…@…com [vpFREE] <vpF…@…com> wrote:

Quick update- Cash back .1%, comps .1% . You get both. VPfree2 does not say anything about a different rate for slots vs VP. I almost forgot to check vpfree2 but it does not list this game.

I can’t find risk of ruin or bankroll requirements for $5, 100.07 plus .1% slot freeplay for Double Double Bonus.

skgosline wrote: “I can’t find risk of ruin or bankroll requirements for $5, 100.07 plus .1% slot freeplay for Double Double Bonus.”

You should have memorized in your head that approximate Kelly bankroll is variance/edge bets, or in this case 42/0.2% times $25 = $525,000 and that’s assuming perfect play. A 0.2% error rate and now your bankroll requirement is infinite.

It’s not clear what kind of ROR you’re interested in, Sylvia. Since 10/7 DDB is a positive game, you might be wondering how much money you need to play the game forever. (“long-term ROR”) Or, you might be wanting to know the ROR for something like 5 hours of play. (“short-term ROR”)

Looking at longterm ROR first…for $5 100.07% DDB with 0.1% CB, with a bankroll of $718,900 you’d have a 10% ROR. The long-term bankroll for a 1% ROR is twice the long-term bankroll for 10% ROR. So a bankroll of $1.44 Million still has a 1% chance of not being enough to play $5 DDB indefinitely.

If you decide that the comps and bounceback add another 0.1% to the value of play (i.e., 0.2% total including cashback), then the bankroll required for a 10% ROR is reduced to $446,550. And twice that amount for a 1% ROR.

What if you want to just play for several hours? Say, 3,000 hands. How much money do you need? For a short-term ROR of 10%, you’d need to start with $10,500. To have just a 1% ROR, you’d need $14,500. (Those short-term calculations are not very sensitive to the amount of cashback. The difference between 0.1% and 0.2% CB for 3000 hands is $75, or 3 bets. So small changes in CB have little effect on your short-term ROR for several hours of play.)

(All calcs were done using Dunbar’s Risk Analyzer for Video Poker 2.0.)

–Dunbar

—In vpF…@…com, <sgosline@…> wrote :

I never learned this game because I heard it was complicated and very few casinos offer full pay. I think I found a 100.07% one with some cash back and comps- not sure about the rate. Problem is that it is only available in $5. Now I know the volatility is going to be very high. I know there is a site somewhere that can calculate ROR. Could someone remind me what the site is? I am going to check it out later today and make sure I wrote down the correct pay table and I will try and find out the cash back rate. I know my friend also gets some freeplay in the mail. She has $100 for today but again, I have no idea what this is based on.

Sylvia

Thanks for all your answers. The pay table is for the 100.07% variety. I played this weekend and hit 4 aces with kicker fairly early on. My bankroll is “renewable” because I am still working. It’s a local Native American casino but appears to be honest. I can play as often as I can afford. Fun to have a positive game close by. The casino is Seven Feathers in Canyonville, OR.

Sylvia,

Suggest you check out a win/loss simulation chart for your game to get a sense of how persistent the losses can run at times. For a game like DDB, even when playing at a modest advantage, the medium term risk can prove rather daunting. (most newer vp tutors provide such a feature)

—In vpF…@…com, <sgosline@…> wrote :

Thanks for all your answers. The pay table is for the 100.07% variety. I played this weekend and hit 4 aces with kicker fairly early on. My bankroll is “renewable” because I am still working. It’s a local Native American casino but appears to be honest. I can play as often as I can afford. Fun to have a positive game close by. The casino is Seven Feathers in Canyonville, OR.

skgosline wrote:

“Fun to have a positive game close by. The casino is Seven Feathers in Canyonville, OR.”

I thought Mickey said there was positive gaming at Jantzen Beach. Closer if you live in northern Oregon or southern Washington.

Also, don’t forget, $5 DDB will generate a lot of W2G’s which will have tax consequences that will likely negate the small edge you have. And add on top the legal problems of playing at an Indian casino, see Nersesian’s “Law for Gamblers”, chapter “Indian Gaming: OMG, WTF” for details.

I doubt very much that there are still positive games in Jantzen Beach if it is an Oregon lottery game. The only way to win is if you are an owner which we were for awhile but all the headaches of owning a bar and having dishonest employees did not make it worthwhile. I live 20 minutes away from 7 feathers.