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Dotty's Casino Countermeasures

#1

I have been losing over the last 3 months, but generating lots of W-2G’s to qualify for the weekly jackpot drawings. I’m not hopeful my mailbox will contain future mailers from Dotty’s.
If I could find George Maalouf when he’s not in a drunken stupor, I’d tell him I now agree with his desire to shut down all Dotty’s!<<

I stopped getting anything in the mail from Dotty’s a long time ago…probably from a low level of play rather than winning too much…not much of a loss to me- all I was getting was $2/month. (I find it remarkable that anybody plays at a Dotty’s long enough to get lots of W-2Gs.)

#2

Your mailer would have been much higher if you showed a loss for for the previous 3 or 4 months. See Bob’s post from a month or two back for details. The 2 x $1 is a standard mailer for anyone who wins even with $100k+ coin in for the qualifying period. Perhaps they send it so they aren’t accused of false advertising for promising monthly mailers. Apparently they don’t have the same fear for denying me point multipliers which are advertised for everyone.

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On Feb 11, 2014, at 12:17 PM, RWHA…@…com wrote:

I stopped getting anything in the mail from Dotty’s a long time ago…probably from a low level of play rather than winning too much…not much of a loss to me- all I was getting was $2/month. (I find it remarkable that anybody plays at a Dotty’s long enough to get lots of W-2Gs.)

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#3

rwhannu wrote: “I find
it remarkable that anybody plays at a Dotty’s long enough to get lots of
W-2Gs.”

If I remember correctly, the $5 video poker machines go up to 50 coins per line, maybe it’s 100. That kind of action generates a lot of W2G’s. It’s a great place if you like to spread your bet size around a lot. And of course they’re not going to be super happy if you hit something big, but I don’t think they’ll trespass you like most of the big box casinos will. Also Dotty’s seems to actually like video poker players, none of that snarky “oh you play video poker” stuff you get from the other casinos.

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#4

I found this thread intriguing.

Last week when I played at Dotty’s, I only received single points. I thought it was a glitch in the software (rather than a change in policy) so I filed a point adjustment request. I haven’t been back this week again to see if my request was granted. The fact that others are reporting the same thing leads me to conclude that it may well be a change in policy.

If my request is not granted and I’m indeed only receiving single points rather than the 2x points that are standard for when I play, I’ll stop playing for four months or so and try again. In the past, staying away that long has been enough to “reset” your account to zero. If I play again in July and I’m still getting only single points, I’ll give up on the place. If I’m getting 2x points when I play then, I’ll start to play again.

It’ll be a shame to give up on Dotty’s. It was a juicy part-time play.

Bob

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#5

I must be missing something, I play the same nsud at Dottie’s and stations, but stingy stations gives me 5x the comps and free play !

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On Feb 13, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Bob Dancer <bobdance…@…com> wrote:

I found this thread intriguing.

Last week when I played at Dotty’s, I only received single points. I thought it was a glitch in the software (rather than a change in policy) so I filed a point adjustment request. I haven’t been back this week again to see if my request was granted. The fact that others are reporting the same thing leads me to conclude that it may well be a change in policy.

If my request is not granted and I’m indeed only receiving single points rather than the 2x points that are standard for when I play, I’ll stop playing for four months or so and try again. In the past, staying away that long has been enough to “reset” your account to zero. If I play again in July and I’m still getting only single points, I’ll give up on the place. If I’m getting 2x points when I play then, I’ll start to play again.

It’ll be a shame to give up on Dotty’s. It was a juicy part-time play.

Bob

#6

Tom Dolan (of the Dolan auto group?) wrote: "I must be missing something, I play the same nsud at Dottie’s and stations, but stingy stations gives me 5x the comps and free play ! "

You’re not playing the nsud optimally at Dotty’s.

#7

Sorry you experienced the single points on video poker also. It does give me some reassurance that I wasn’t the only one singled out. Is anyone still getting 1.5X or 2X points on video poker at Dotty’s?

I don’t think it’s the “staying away” that resets your account, but rather the fact that your previous rolling 3 or 4 month qualifying period showed a win or loss that changes your BB from minuscule to significant. It seems unlikely that such a method would toggle on and off multiplier eligibility in the same manner, especially since it is a published slot club benefit for all players with no specified requirements. In my case I am still in the red for the last 3 months, but positive for the most recent 2 months so it doesn’t seem I am being denied multipliers using the same criteria as BB calculation. I hope you will let us know if your experiment is successful.

I too am contemplating giving up playing at Dotty’s. I haven’t yet determined whether a difference of 0.1% CB vs 0.2% CB is the deal breaker. Being no mailed would be a no brainier.

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On Feb 13, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Bob Dancer <bobdance…@…com> wrote:

Last week when I played at Dotty’s, I only received single points.

#8

Tom wrote: I must be missing something, I play the same nsud at Dottie’s and stations, but stingy stations gives me 5x the comps and free play !

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There are two major differences. First of all, to get the highest return out of NSU at Dotty’s, it requires playing coin-in of $120 per hand or higher. Station Casinos does not offer games that loose for stakes that high. High stakes players do not get the same percentage return that lower stakes players get — but they do get much higher dollars-per-hour EVs.

Second, Station Casinos have arguably kicked out more players than all the other local casinos in Vegas put together. Most knowledgeable players are not welcome there. There are still some skillful players who have run badly there who are welcome, but their time is likely limited. In addition, Stations has kicked out not-so-skillful players who have hit “too many” royals.

For the most part, if you have a clue as to what you’re doing playing video poker, or you’ve been lucky, you’re no-mailed and otherwise restricted by Stations. But if forever reason you’re still welcome to play at Stations and you’re satisfied with the stakes and benefits, go for it.

Bob

#9

I am a quarter player with 3 plays, one even, and 1 where I hit a royal. Right after the royal i went from free rooms to discounts. The discounts with their resort fee makes it stupid for me to play there. I am a .25 player and I did not play any +EV only 9/6 JOB

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To: vpf…@…com
From: bobdance…@…com
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 22:16:22 -0800
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: Dotty’s Casino Countermeasures

Tom wrote: I must be missing something, I play the same nsud at Dottie’s and stations, but stingy stations gives me 5x the comps and free play !

There are two major differences. First of all, to get the highest return out of NSU at Dotty’s, it requires playing coin-in of $120 per hand or higher. Station Casinos does not offer games that loose for stakes that high. High stakes players do not get the same percentage return that lower stakes players get — but they do get much higher dollars-per-hour EVs.

Second, Station Casinos have arguably kicked out more players than all the other local casinos in Vegas put together. Most knowledgeable players are not welcome there. There are still some skillful players who have run badly there who are welcome, but their time is likely limited. In addition, Stations has kicked out not-so-skillful players who have hit “too many” royals.

For the most part, if you have a clue as to what you’re doing playing video poker, or you’ve been lucky, you’re no-mailed and otherwise restricted by Stations. But if forever reason you’re still welcome to play at Stations and you’re satisfied with the stakes and benefits, go for it.

Bob

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Tom wrote: I must be missing something, I play the same nsud at Dottie's and
stations, but stingy stations gives me 5x the comps and free play !

There are two major differences. First of all, to get the highest return out of NSU at Dotty's, it requires playing coin-in of $120 per hand or higher. Station Casinos does not offer games that loose for stakes that high. High stakes players do not get the same percentage return that lower stakes players get --- but they do get much higher dollars-per-hour EVs.

Second, Station Casinos have arguably kicked out more players than all the other local casinos in Vegas put together. Most knowledgeable players are not welcome there. There are still some skillful players who have run badly there who are welcome, but their time is likely limited. In addition, Stations has kicked out not-so-skillful players who have hit "too many" royals.

For the most part, if you have a clue as to what you're doing playing video poker, or you've been lucky, you're no-mailed and otherwise restricted by Stations. But if forever reason you're still welcome to play at Stations and you're satisfied with the stakes and benefits, go for it.

Bob

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From: keno60@hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 13:26:59 -0600
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: Dotty's Casino Countermeasures

I am a quarter player with 3 playslosing, one even, and 1 where I hit a royal. Right after the royal i went from free rooms to discounts. The discounts with their resort fee makes it stupid for me to play there. I am a .25 player and I did not play any +EV only 9/6 JOB

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From: bobdancervp@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 22:16:22 -0800
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: Dotty's Casino Countermeasures