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Dollar FPDW in Reno

Just returned from Reno.
Found the $1 FPDW at Harrah*s (I reported I couldn't find them in a
previous post).
Also found 14 (banks of 8 and 6) lightning fast multi-multi TITO
brand-new GameKings at the Silver Legacy with FPDW in 25c/50c/$1.
The other games on these machines have strange names like Super
Double Double Bonus Plus which I don't know the vigs on, but the
Double Bonus is 9-6. I suspect that all the other games are WAY
below 100%. All these machines are located next to the ladies'
restroom by the pai-gow pit. They are uprights, and playing one-
handed (I prefer to play upright touch-screen machines one-handed,
alternating between my left and right hands every 15 minutes or so),
I clocked myself doing a sustainable one thousand plus hands per
hour. The strange thing about this was during the weekend, I put in
about 15 hours of play and there was only one other serious player
there the whole time.
The Silver Legacy's comp menu hasn't changed since last February:
for VP, it's $20 coin-in per point, 500 points for a comped room any
day of the week. The Sterling's wonderful Sunday brunch (endless
champagne, king crab, lamb chops, and don't miss the raspberry mouse
cake) can be had for 175 points.

L. Wluiki

Thanks for posting this, what a nice Christmas present from you and from
Silver. Looks like everyone weighed in on vpfree (me included). Quadzilla
doesn't post much anymore, but when he does, yeow, look out. He considers
you a friend, huh?

This COULD be the start of another chapter for VP in Reno, by the sounds of
it. Looks like $1 Full Pay is the cutoff: at and above which the pros play, and
keep their secrets.

Another week or so and it might have been me "spilling the beans". I will be
staying at the Silver next Thurs-Mon and I would have reported the loss of the
.25 FPDW Progs and the entrance of these Multi-, multi- Game Kings. I would
have stepped IN IT unknowingly tho', not fully realizing the implications to
"pros". You obviously knew this would cause a fuss by your follow-up posting
on vpFree.

Well, I surely hope those 14 machines aren't swamped, I can't imagine it, I
have only spent perhaps 25 days at the SIlver in the last year, and no VP
bank has ever been full, even the vaunted .25 FPDW Progs, which are over
101% payback.

Anyhow, thanks for the heads up, it has at the least given me a chance to
rework my "game-plan" for my next visit. And I'll try to remember to clock my
play, that 1000 hph sounds exciting, I was always "waiting for the machine to
catch up to me" at 600-700 hph.

  Maybe we should just post here on the vpfree-Reno message board, try to
keep the Vegas crowd in Vegas, eh?

  ~MARK P.
       (Seattle)

--- "lwluiki" wrote:

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Just returned from Reno.
Found the $1 FPDW at Harrah*s (I reported I couldn't find them in a
previous post).
Also found 14 (banks of 8 and 6) lightning fast multi-multi TITO
brand-new GameKings at the Silver Legacy with FPDW in 25c/50c/$1.

I clocked myself doing a sustainable one thousand plus hands per
hour. The strange thing about this was during the weekend, I put in
about 15 hours of play and there was only one other serious player
there the whole time.

I hope vpFREE members like you will keep monitoring this game as
a "case study".
I fidget a lot when I play vp, I smoke, I drink, and I play musical
chairs trying to find the least lumpy chair with the right height.
With these SL uprights, I ended up playing one-handed, switching
hands every 15 minuetes or so; I found that I ended up playing maybe
30% slower, but can play twice as long since I didn't have
to "assume the position" of the two-handed play on an upright, which
is atrocious to one's posture, neck, and shoulders. May lady luck
smile upon you on your test drive!
Another game worth monitoring is the $FPDW at Harrah*s, someone
posted that they may have been downgraded already.
The Peppermill multistrike 5c-10c-25c FPDW is also worth monitoring.
It didn't occurred to me _before_ I got slaughtered there that if I
didn't want to stomach the huge swings, I can play two levels
instead of all four, and then need only memorize level 3 strategy
and use it on level 1, and use regular strategy on level 2. Free
Ride frequencies differed by 0.45% between level 1 and level 3, but
I suspect the effects on the return and the strategy are minimal.
You'll get a return of 100.76% _without_ strategy adjustments, so
the additional few hundredths of a percent improvement is just
gravy). I think the multistrike countertop platform (like the 6
machines at the Peppermill) offers the fastest and most comfortable
play, far superior than the regular (non-MS) machines. I suspect
that if I play level 1 only, I can probably do quit a bit over 1000
hands per hour; and playing 1000+ hph there returns more than
playing 700 hph on the old (now extinct) upright progressives at the
SL, and with a smaller variance too. Can't wait to test drive this
idea myself, but sadly, my next visit to Reno won't be until late
February.
I look forward to reading your trip report (and I agree with you--
let's post it here at the Reno forum).

L. Wluiki

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "Mark"
<mark_my_words_again@y...> wrote:

Thanks for posting this, what a nice Christmas present from you

and from

Silver. Looks like everyone weighed in on vpfree (me included).

Quadzilla

doesn't post much anymore, but when he does, yeow, look out. He

considers

you a friend, huh?

This COULD be the start of another chapter for VP in Reno, by the

sounds of

it. Looks like $1 Full Pay is the cutoff: at and above which

the pros play, and

keep their secrets.

Another week or so and it might have been me "spilling the

beans". I will be

staying at the Silver next Thurs-Mon and I would have reported the

loss of the

.25 FPDW Progs and the entrance of these Multi-, multi- Game

Kings. I would

have stepped IN IT unknowingly tho', not fully realizing the

implications to

"pros". You obviously knew this would cause a fuss by your follow-

up posting

on vpFree.

Well, I surely hope those 14 machines aren't swamped, I can't

imagine it, I

have only spent perhaps 25 days at the SIlver in the last year,

and no VP

bank has ever been full, even the vaunted .25 FPDW Progs, which

are over

101% payback.

Anyhow, thanks for the heads up, it has at the least given me a

chance to

rework my "game-plan" for my next visit. And I'll try to

remember to clock my

play, that 1000 hph sounds exciting, I was always "waiting for

the machine to

catch up to me" at 600-700 hph.

  Maybe we should just post here on the vpfree-Reno message

board, try to

keep the Vegas crowd in Vegas, eh?

  ~MARK P.
       (Seattle)

--- "lwluiki" wrote:
> Just returned from Reno.
> Found the $1 FPDW at Harrah*s (I reported I couldn't find them

in a

> previous post).
> Also found 14 (banks of 8 and 6) lightning fast multi-multi TITO
> brand-new GameKings at the Silver Legacy with FPDW in 25c/50c/

$1.

> I clocked myself doing a sustainable one thousand plus hands per
> hour. The strange thing about this was during the weekend, I put

in

> about 15 hours of play and there was only one other serious

player

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> there the whole time.