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Does Video Poker Belong in Supermarkets?

#1

Just about every supermarket chain in town--other than Walmart--seems
to have a bank of VP machines near the front entrance. From time to
time, I amuse myself by checking the pay schedules; payback
percentages are usually under 98, and almost never over 99.

IMO, these are inappropriate, and reflect poorly upon the judgment of
management. The clear intent is to extract the customer's money, as
quickly as practicable, without delivering anything of value in
return.

If I were aware of any chain of "normal size" supermarkets, and/or gas
stations, which refused to tolerate gambling devices, it would tend to
get a pretty-good share of my business.

How do other VP'ers feel?

#2

But they do deliver something of value: entertainment. The same
entertainment that 95% of VP players in this town enjoy, whether
they are tourists or locals, because these players are not on full-
pay machines. I've said it many times; go into the Suncoast and look
at the many players "enjoying" nickel 6/5 DDB.

Also, the clear intent of any gambling device is to extract money
from the player. It may take much longer for most VP machines to do
this extraction, but most machines will succeed.

Just about every supermarket chain in town--other than Walmart--

seems

to have a bank of VP machines near the front entrance. From time

to

time, I amuse myself by checking the pay schedules; payback
percentages are usually under 98, and almost never over 99.

IMO, these are inappropriate, and reflect poorly upon the judgment

of

management. The clear intent is to extract the customer's money,

as

quickly as practicable, without delivering anything of value in
return.

If I were aware of any chain of "normal size" supermarkets, and/or

gas

stations, which refused to tolerate gambling devices, it would

tend to

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "sphboc2003" <sphboc@...> wrote:

get a pretty-good share of my business.

How do other VP'ers feel?

#3

Why are they inappropriate? Caveat emptor! If people are stupid enough to throw their
money away, they should be allowed to do so.

Why not lobby to put "warning labels" on them. <smile> (Although they are already
there, aren't they, since the pay tables are easily visible.)

.....bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "sphboc2003" <sphboc@...> wrote:

Just about every supermarket chain in town--other than Walmart--seems
to have a bank of VP machines near the front entrance. From time to
time, I amuse myself by checking the pay schedules; payback
percentages are usually under 98, and almost never over 99.

IMO, these are inappropriate, and reflect poorly upon the judgment of
management. The clear intent is to extract the customer's money, as
quickly as practicable, without delivering anything of value in
return.

If I were aware of any chain of "normal size" supermarkets, and/or gas
stations, which refused to tolerate gambling devices, it would tend to
get a pretty-good share of my business.

How do other VP'ers feel?

#4

I have a better win record at Smith's than I do at Texas Station. In the
last 2 months, I have been dealt a royal on a triple play quarter, held the
jt and hit the royal another week, gotten super aces 2x and got 4 aces with
no kicker on triple double. Not bad for playing once a week at the grocery
store!

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bornloser1537
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 1:08 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: SPAM: [vpFREE] Re: Does Video Poker Belong in Supermarkets?

Why are they inappropriate? Caveat emptor! If people are stupid enough to
throw their
money away, they should be allowed to do so.

Why not lobby to put "warning labels" on them. <smile> (Although they are
already
there, aren't they, since the pay tables are easily visible.)

.....bl

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> com,
"sphboc2003" <sphboc@...> wrote:

Just about every supermarket chain in town--other than Walmart--seems
to have a bank of VP machines near the front entrance. From time to
time, I amuse myself by checking the pay schedules; payback
percentages are usually under 98, and almost never over 99.

IMO, these are inappropriate, and reflect poorly upon the judgment of
management. The clear intent is to extract the customer's money, as
quickly as practicable, without delivering anything of value in
return.

If I were aware of any chain of "normal size" supermarkets, and/or gas
stations, which refused to tolerate gambling devices, it would tend to
get a pretty-good share of my business.

How do other VP'ers feel?

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#5

And this is different from all the casinos how, exactly?

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On 7/6/06, sphboc2003 <sphboc@aol.com> wrote:

The clear intent is to extract the customer's money, as
quickly as practicable,...

#6

I say video poker in supermarkets is ok unless they are smoking.

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#7

I wonder if that's the same Smith's where my husband hit a royal flush,
in hearts, on our anniversary?!?!

It's OK with me!

Pat

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Sheila" <sheila@...> wrote:

I have a better win record at Smith's than I do at Texas Station.

#8

Problem is: most of the people in that town don't know a good pay
schedule. It baffles me too since they easily could have attended 1
of a zillion classes taught by Bob Dancer. I am always amazed at
how ignorant the people are and I am always shocked when I find out
they are locals.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@...>
wrote:

Why are they inappropriate? Caveat emptor! If people are stupid

enough to throw their

money away, they should be allowed to do so.

Why not lobby to put "warning labels" on them. <smile> (Although

they are already

there, aren't they, since the pay tables are easily visible.)

.....bl

>
> Just about every supermarket chain in town--other than Walmart--

seems

> to have a bank of VP machines near the front entrance. From

time to

> time, I amuse myself by checking the pay schedules; payback
> percentages are usually under 98, and almost never over 99.
>
> IMO, these are inappropriate, and reflect poorly upon the

judgment of

> management. The clear intent is to extract the customer's

money, as

> quickly as practicable, without delivering anything of value in
> return.
>
> If I were aware of any chain of "normal size" supermarkets,

and/or gas

> stations, which refused to tolerate gambling devices, it would

tend to

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "sphboc2003" <sphboc@> wrote:
> get a pretty-good share of my business.
>
> How do other VP'ers feel?
>

#9

98%? heck I know a supermarket where there is a $.25 FPDW machine in
action.

timmer

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@...>
wrote:

Why are they inappropriate? Caveat emptor! If people are stupid

enough to throw their

money away, they should be allowed to do so.

Why not lobby to put "warning labels" on them. <smile> (Although

they are already

there, aren't they, since the pay tables are easily visible.)

.....bl

>
> Just about every supermarket chain in town--other than Walmart--

seems

> to have a bank of VP machines near the front entrance. From

time to

> time, I amuse myself by checking the pay schedules; payback
> percentages are usually under 98, and almost never over 99.
>
> IMO, these are inappropriate, and reflect poorly upon the

judgment of

> management. The clear intent is to extract the customer's

money, as

> quickly as practicable, without delivering anything of value in
> return.
>
> If I were aware of any chain of "normal size" supermarkets,

and/or gas

> stations, which refused to tolerate gambling devices, it would

tend to

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "sphboc2003" <sphboc@> wrote:
> get a pretty-good share of my business.
>
> How do other VP'ers feel?
>

#10

I'm not sure, but I believe these gaming areas are usually NOT owned
by the gas station or supermarket, but are rented out by them to
generate income. I know that is the case for Sav-On and the other
drug stores. I can tell you, as a non-local, that I notice an
incredible number of convenience and other stores per capita,
notwithstanding the recent population growth. Many would not make
money and would likely be shut down if not for the rental income. My
uncle manages a Sav-On in LV and says his store would lose money if
not for the rental space.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Sheila" <sheila@> wrote:
>
> I have a better win record at Smith's than I do at Texas Station.

#11

Two more reasons why the Suncoast is still quaking in their boots about Red Rock:
(1) They have re-activated their TV ads. I saw one on Channel 3 tonight. As far as I can tell, it's the same ad they ran 2 or 3 years ago, but with a different voice-over (specifically mentioning that the RJ voted them "best locals casino"). Geez, I think I would have run such an ad months ago!
(2) The Sports Bar is installing all new wide-screen TV's. We were told they were High Definition-compatible but the HD hadn't been instituted yet.
By the way, I was there the night of the 4th of July, and the place was dead, even for a usually dead Tuesday.
-- Steve in LV (collecting lots of double points guess where?)

#12

Two more reasons why the Suncoast is still quaking in their boots

about Red

Rock:

Isn't that the place on Rampart accross the street from where they're
building those condos...Queensryche or something like that? :wink:

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Del Nero" <artcontrol@...> wrote:

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paladingaming.net

#13

Yes, that would be the Suncoast, on the NW corner of Rampart and Alta.
One Queensridge Place is under construction on the other side of Alta.

Speaking of the Rampart, their big new gimmick is allegedly more
revealing uniforms for the waitresses. Supposed to debut this month,
if they haven't already. Imagine, they actually pay salaries to people
that come up with these ideas?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "paladingamingllc"
<paladingamingllc@...> wrote:

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Isn't that the place on Rampart accross the street from where they're
building those condos...Queensryche or something like that? :wink:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Del Nero" <artcontrol@> wrote:

>
> Two more reasons why the Suncoast is still quaking in their boots
> about Red Rock:

#14

Believe it or not, there have been advantage plays found in supermarkets,
drugstores, convenience stores in the past.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dddddmike" <ddddmike@...> wrote:

I'm not sure, but I believe these gaming areas are usually NOT owned
by the gas station or supermarket, but are rented out by them to
generate income. I know that is the case for Sav-On and the other
drug stores. I can tell you, as a non-local, that I notice an
incredible number of convenience and other stores per capita,
notwithstanding the recent population growth. Many would not make
money and would likely be shut down if not for the rental income. My
uncle manages a Sav-On in LV and says his store would lose money if
not for the rental space.

> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Sheila" <sheila@> wrote:
> >
> > I have a better win record at Smith's than I do at Texas Station.
>

#15

I agree, the only thing worse than people smoking is video poker
machines smoking. YEUCK!! (Or was the supermarket smoking?)

I believe most businesses are allowed a certain number. If I had a
business, I would have the maximum allowed for my location. PURE PROFIT!!

dipy911

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Howbob <howbob@...> wrote:

I say video poker in supermarkets is ok unless they are smoking.

#16

i certainly don't keep it a secret among my acquaintances that i know
how to play vp profitably...when the topic comes up they either ask a
question or two or say they don't do too bad playing the way they do
now...i am not aware of any person who has actually taken the trouble
to learn how to play based on my telling them they can get an
advantage...

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "missdeuces" <missdeuces@...> wrote:

Problem is: most of the people in that town don't know a good pay
schedule. It baffles me too since they easily could have attended 1
of a zillion classes taught by Bob Dancer. I am always amazed at
how ignorant the people are and I am always shocked when I find out
they are locals.

#17

mickeycrimm wrote:

Believe it or not, there have been advantage plays found in
supermarkets, drugstores, convenience stores in the past.

I'll even believe these didn't involved sucking down someone's
abandoned Big Gulp ... :wink:

- H.

#18

I dont live in Las Vegas. But the problem I see is that people trying to recover from a gambling addiciton might be tempted to play again when they go to buy groceries. On the east coast, you can just stay away from Atlantic City if you're trying to beat the addiction. In Vegas, its impossible.
   
  Ned C.
  The Wild Joker

          I'm not sure, but I believe these gaming areas are usually NOT owned
by the gas station or supermarket, but are rented out by them to
generate income. I know that is the case for Sav-On and the other
drug stores. I can tell you, as a non-local, that I notice an
incredible number of convenience and other stores per capita,
notwithstanding the recent population growth. Many would not make
money and would likely be shut down if not for the rental income. My
uncle manages a Sav-On in LV and says his store would lose money if
not for the rental space.

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dddddmike <ddddmike@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Sheila" <sheila@> wrote:
>
> I have a better win record at Smith's than I do at Texas Station.

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#19

Hey, they hire well there, actually Orleans and South Coast too. The
problem is in that part of town, it would probably create litigation;
too many pacemakers being shortcircuited.

Yes, I know the name of the condo project. Note the ";)" above. I take
Rampart sometimes on the way to Red Rock.

If they put a $2 denom on the JW2, I might be moved to give them a
play, but it's no problem ogling good looking mostly naked women in
Vegas. As the Rampart program has been sliced and diced, it will be a
while before I give them a play, and they do have the $2 JW2. The 2x
points this month on Sundays is too little, too late, IMHO.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Charles" <fromthevault@...> wrote:

Yes, that would be the Suncoast, on the NW corner of Rampart and Alta.
One Queensridge Place is under construction on the other side of Alta.

Speaking of the Rampart, their big new gimmick is allegedly more
revealing uniforms for the waitresses. Supposed to debut this month,
if they haven't already. Imagine, they actually pay salaries to people
that come up with these ideas?

_________________________________________________________________________

paladingaming.net

#20

Hi Ned, I just got back (late last night) from a long trip to the East Coast, and your post struck a cord with me.
   
  Just about every supermarket, drug store, convenience store and deli that I was in sold lottery tickets at the checkstand and had significant signage promoting gambling. I would think that it is MUCH more difficult for people with gambling addictions to avoid gambling in those establishments than to avoid the slot machine corners in LV supermarkets.
   
  Put differently, in LV, you're not forced to confront gambling every time you ring up at the market.
   
  I'm always amused when people forget that lotteries are gambling (and frankly, have much worse odds than vp).
   
  Lainie

          I dont live in Las Vegas. But the problem I see is that people trying to recover from a gambling addiciton might be tempted to play again when they go to buy groceries. On the east coast, you can just stay away from Atlantic City if you're trying to beat the addiction. In Vegas, its impossible.

Ned C.
The Wild Joker

I'm not sure, but I believe these gaming areas are usually NOT owned
by the gas station or supermarket, but are rented out by them to
generate income. I know that is the case for Sav-On and the other
drug stores. I can tell you, as a non-local, that I notice an
incredible number of convenience and other stores per capita,
notwithstanding the recent population growth. Many would not make
money and would likely be shut down if not for the rental income. My
uncle manages a Sav-On in LV and says his store would lose money if
not for the rental space.

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The Wild Joker <jokerswild1203@yahoo.com> wrote:
dddddmike <ddddmike@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Sheila" <sheila@> wrote:
>
> I have a better win record at Smith's than I do at Texas Station.

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