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Does Rob Singer's Method Work/ more on this

#1

Why would you do these tests? Do you beleive in the Easter Bunny?

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--- On Wed, 6/24/09, brumar_lv <brumar_lv@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: brumar_lv <brumar_lv@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Does Rob Singer's Method Work/ more on this
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 5:58 PM

The "5th card flipover" tests Singer is running refers to these three types of dealt hands: two pair, open end straights, and 4 to a flush. The odds are 4/47, 8/47, and 9/47. Is anyone on vpfree doing similar tests? As I recall this was discussed a month or two ago.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, "theprostitutionsta te" <theprostitutionsta te@...> wrote:

Just came across this piece.

http://brokopp. casinocitytimes. com/articles/ 46781.html

Is he talking about in that article "5th card flipover" when you throw away, say a 10 of clubs, and instead get a 10 of hearts, for example, instead of the card you need?

If that's what he's talking about, I've noticed that so many times I've indeed become suspicious myself at times. Though I've just dismissed it.

I assume RNGs are indeed random (or at least, if not, that the practicality of taking advantage of algorithm weakness runs into so many millions, that it's really not possible to take advantage of it)

HOWEVER, I myself am depending on the expertise of others and not my own personal experience with applying such tests ...so eh, whatever.

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#2

Good point, however this may be one way to prove conclusively that Singer is full of crap. Although I personally won't spend any time on it, perhaps others irked by Singer will.

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- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, NC Wanderer <larbo929@...> wrote:

Why would you do these tests? Do you beleive in the Easter Bunny?

--- On Wed, 6/24/09, brumar_lv <brumar_lv@...> wrote:

From: brumar_lv <brumar_lv@...>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Does Rob Singer's Method Work/ more on this
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 5:58 PM

The "5th card flipover" tests Singer is running refers to these three types of dealt hands: two pair, open end straights, and 4 to a flush. The odds are 4/47, 8/47, and 9/47. Is anyone on vpfree doing similar tests? As I recall this was discussed a month or two ago.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, "theprostitutionsta te" <theprostitutionsta te@> wrote:
>
> Just came across this piece.
>
> http://brokopp. casinocitytimes. com/articles/ 46781.html
>
> Is he talking about in that article "5th card flipover" when you throw away, say a 10 of clubs, and instead get a 10 of hearts, for example, instead of the card you need?
>
> If that's what he's talking about, I've noticed that so many times I've indeed become suspicious myself at times. Though I've just dismissed it.
>
> I assume RNGs are indeed random (or at least, if not, that the practicality of taking advantage of algorithm weakness runs into so many millions, that it's really not possible to take advantage of it)
>
> HOWEVER, I myself am depending on the expertise of others and not my own personal experience with applying such tests ...so eh, whatever.
>

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#3

One of the great thing's about public forums is that once in a while I
read someone's contribution that perfectly sums up my feeling on a topic
but expressed with much more clarity and entertainment value than I can
manage.

Bravo brumar_lv!

Gamb00ler

brumar_lv wrote:

Good point, however this may be one way to prove conclusively that

Singer is full of crap. Although I personally won't spend any time on
it, perhaps others irked by Singer will.

NC Wanderer wrote:
>
> Why would you do these tests? Do you beleive in the Easter Bunny?
>
>
>
> The "5th card flipover" tests Singer is running refers to these

three types of dealt hands: two pair, open end straights, and 4 to a
flush. The odds are 4/47, 8/47, and 9/47. Is anyone on vpfree doing
similar tests? As I recall this was discussed a month or two ago.

>
> theprostitutionstate wrote:
> >
> > Just came across this piece.
> >
> > http://brokopp.casinocitytimes.com/articles/46781.html

<http://brokopp.casinocitytimes.com/articles/46781.html>

> >
> > Is he talking about in that article "5th card flipover" when you

throw away, say a 10 of clubs, and instead get a 10 of hearts, for
example, instead of the card you need?

> >
> > If that's what he's talking about, I've noticed that so many times

I've indeed become suspicious myself at times. Though I've just
dismissed it.

> >
> > I assume RNGs are indeed random (or at least, if not, that the

practicality of taking advantage of algorithm weakness runs into so many
millions, that it's really not possible to take advantage of it)

> >
> > HOWEVER, I myself am depending on the expertise of others and not

my own personal experience with applying such tests ...so eh, whatever.

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> --- On Wed, 6/24/09, brumar_lv wrote:

#4

I don't recall subscribing to FREEvpFREE, and yet I keep seeing this
discussion of Rob Singer!?

#5

It's amazing how much attention the name of Singer provokes in VP forums. People claim he's "so full of crap", but yet they won't go through the effort of disproving what he claims. Never heard of an advantage player yet that would try his system just to "PROVE" it won't work! Isn't that amazing!

#6

It's equally amazing that you believe that APs have "never
tried his system just to prove it didn't work", because you
"have never heard of them doing so".

What leads you to the assumption that the AP community has NOT
tested his system and found it to be, as you so colorfully
phrase it, "crap"?

~Babe~

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In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Levine" <stuckinvegas@..wrote:

It's amazing how much attention the name of Singer provokes in VP forums. People claim he's "so full of crap", but yet they won't go through the effort of disproving what he claims. Never heard of an advantage player yet that would try his system just to "PROVE" it won't work! Isn't that amazing!

#7

It's amazing how much attention the name of Singer provokes in VP
forums. People claim he's "so full of crap", but yet they won't go
through the effort of disproving what he claims. Never heard of an
advantage player yet that would try his system just to "PROVE" it won't
work! Isn't that amazing!

It's trivially proven not to work by simple math. Trying it wouldn't prove
anything.

Cogno

#8

Short 3 day trip to lost wages this past Tue, Wed, Thurs. There was no royal to be found on this trip as in the last 25 or 30 trips. Worse yet we didn't even get the dueces. We usually hit that once or twice a trip.
I had confidence that this might be the one as we were playing those dueces at Binions. That is the last place I hit a royal. It was on a Texas Holdem machine. They are long gone( I bought most of them). That was about 15 or 20 years ago.
Stayed at the Wynn for two nights. The third was going to be at the Golden Nugget. When we got there, I guess I had forgotten to make the reservation and they were sold out. We had free nights there through their private arrangement club. We made reservations at the Main Street station. The Cal was cheaper, but my wife refused to stay there after there was a shooting there a few years ago.
This morning was even worse. My wife had set her phone alarm to get up at 7:00. Forgetting that it still was on Central time. So alarm went off at 5. I get to the airport and they ask for id and I start to give them my drivers liscense only to realize that the guy at Binions never gave it back to me after signing me up for the slot club. I still was able to fly, but they did everything to me but a cavity search. (come on guys, a terrorist isn't going to fly without id). Then just before boarding my wife realizes that her cell phone was left back at the screening. She barely makes it back to board. (This growing old stuff stinks).
Before leaving I had gotten the iphone app you guys mentioned that Dean had made for the iphone. I really did love it. I had the original on my computer at home, but this allowed us to check on how to play a few hands as well as making sure the pay schedules were full pay.
By the way no combination of peeing in certain urinals while gambling seems to work.
Loved the bathroom at the Las Vegas Hilton were we went to see Sin City Bad girls.
I will post a picture of it in the picture part of vp free later on. The show was pretty good.
Brad
Amarillo

#9

My wife just got an itouch that uses the iphone app's. What applications for VP do you guys recommend???

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bradr19" <briffel@...> wrote:

Short 3 day trip to lost wages this past Tue, Wed, Thurs. There was no royal to be found on this trip as in the last 25 or 30 trips. Worse yet we didn't even get the dueces. We usually hit that once or twice a trip.
I had confidence that this might be the one as we were playing those dueces at Binions. That is the last place I hit a royal. It was on a Texas Holdem machine. They are long gone( I bought most of them). That was about 15 or 20 years ago.
Stayed at the Wynn for two nights. The third was going to be at the Golden Nugget. When we got there, I guess I had forgotten to make the reservation and they were sold out. We had free nights there through their private arrangement club. We made reservations at the Main Street station. The Cal was cheaper, but my wife refused to stay there after there was a shooting there a few years ago.
This morning was even worse. My wife had set her phone alarm to get up at 7:00. Forgetting that it still was on Central time. So alarm went off at 5. I get to the airport and they ask for id and I start to give them my drivers liscense only to realize that the guy at Binions never gave it back to me after signing me up for the slot club. I still was able to fly, but they did everything to me but a cavity search. (come on guys, a terrorist isn't going to fly without id). Then just before boarding my wife realizes that her cell phone was left back at the screening. She barely makes it back to board. (This growing old stuff stinks).
Before leaving I had gotten the iphone app you guys mentioned that Dean had made for the iphone. I really did love it. I had the original on my computer at home, but this allowed us to check on how to play a few hands as well as making sure the pay schedules were full pay.
By the way no combination of peeing in certain urinals while gambling seems to work.
Loved the bathroom at the Las Vegas Hilton were we went to see Sin City Bad girls.
I will post a picture of it in the picture part of vp free later on. The show was pretty good.
Brad
Amarillo