The New York Racinos do not have video poker. They have video lottery terminals that look like video poker machines . If you throw away a hand a genie comes and corrects your play to the predetermined out come, They are the equivalent of scratch off tickets, There is no skill involved, They look like they have attractive pay tables but the return on all machines is 83% which is unethical in my opinion as the return is not disclosed on the machine. It was published in an article I read about the proposed Racino at Aqueduct As to who would play them the one in Yonkers showed a profit of something like 400 Million last year, The place was full the night I went there for a food expo
Rich P
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From: richct1472
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Do You Trust Indian Casinos?
They have a 17% take or 83% Return
In a message dated 06/26/10 23:00:11 Eastern Daylight Time, videopoker@twcny.rr.com writes:
I only have one question ralated to these machines. What is the return. They show a payoff list like you will be full pay, but what is built into the stack, what return?
Want to have fun, throw out any hand you are dealt and you will never end up with a worse hand. All predetermined. Get two pair, draw all five cards over and you will get at least two pair. Have not, will not play unless I knew the answer to the frist question.
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From: Bill Coleman
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:59 PM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: Do You Trust Indian Casinos?
NY State racinos work like Washington state Indian casinos. They evaluate a
lottery scratch ticket and then display the results on a machine that either
looks like a slot or a VP machine. Just because your draw makes no
difference to the result does not mean it's cheating! They do not hide the
way the machine works. If you are not entertained by the machine, don't play
it. But it's not cheating.
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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
kelso 1600
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 5:03 AM
To: vpfree@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: Do You Trust Indian Casinos?
Could you clarify what you are trying to point out in this message?
Monticello Raceway has nothing to do with Indian gaming.
And what do you mean by cheating?
(I do not see the picture that you are referring to.)
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> From: haaljo@yahoo.com
> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 03:43:50 +0000
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Do You Trust Indian Casinos?
>
> You want to see cheating? Visit the monticello NY website:
> www.monticellogamingandraceway.com/
> They have a picture of a VLT VP machine. Now that's cheating.
>
> I've been in a lot of indian casino's. I saw an obvious cheat at a San
Diego Quonsett Hut casino. Also, many years ago the Cherokee in North
Carolina but in general, have done well at the native joints.
> Dave in Boston
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mikeymic" <mikeymic@...> wrote:
> >
> > I have had MANY private email discussions about VP play at various
Indian casinos. I would now like to open up the discussion to the entire
group.
> >
> > In general, there is a suspicion that machines are not as regulated on
private Indian land as in, for example, major Las Vegas casinos.
> >
> > My opinion is that there are undoubtedly unfair VP games being played
every day. In this economy the temptation to squeeze out every dime of
profit is too great to resist.
> >
> > In terms of my particular post today, I can inform you that there are
indeed some Indian casinos where I will not play. I base my choices not only
by personal experience but also by the many vpFREE members who email me.
Regardless of whether I and others are actually being "cheated", if you feel
unlucky or negative in a casino, then perhaps you should be playing
elsewhere anyway.
> >
> > But I would like to get a sense, in general, of how the group feels
about this issue. Any of your comments and reasoning would be appreciated.
> >
> > Mikey
> >
>
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