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Do we all want the same thing? / Poll Proposal

#1

Do we all want the same thing?

What is Your Preferred Video Poker Scenario.
(all games available in up to $1 denomination single line or .25
multi-play)

Scenario A: Large selection of 100.5% games No Comps, No Cash Back,
No Promotions

Scenario B: Large selection of 100.1% games

No Comps, 0.3% Cash Back, 0.3% Cash Promotions (both Cash Back and
Cash Promotions require visits on specific days and at specific times)

Scenario C: Large Selection of 99%+ games (NSUD, 9/6 JOB...)

1.5% of play in Comps No Cash Back; No Promotions (Only Personal
Gifts that can't be resold, worth 0.5% of play)

Scenario D: No Games better than 99%: 2% in Comps;

No Cash Back; Gift Promotions worth 1% of play

#2

I'll pick "C" .

Regards
A.P.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: thymos_one
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 3:32 AM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Do we all want the same thing? / Poll Proposal

  Do we all want the same thing?

  What is Your Preferred Video Poker Scenario.
  (all games available in up to $1 denomination single line or .25
  multi-play)

  Scenario A: Large selection of 100.5% games No Comps, No Cash Back,
  No Promotions

  Scenario B: Large selection of 100.1% games

  No Comps, 0.3% Cash Back, 0.3% Cash Promotions (both Cash Back and
  Cash Promotions require visits on specific days and at specific times)

  Scenario C: Large Selection of 99%+ games (NSUD, 9/6 JOB...)

  1.5% of play in Comps No Cash Back; No Promotions (Only Personal
  Gifts that can't be resold, worth 0.5% of play)

  Scenario D: No Games better than 99%: 2% in Comps;

  No Cash Back; Gift Promotions worth 1% of play

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#3

I would pick "C" also. I think "C and D" are the best sustainable
options. If lousy dim-witted casino management prevails, we may only
be left with "F" 97% video poker and lousy comps. Fortunately I
don't think Gary Loveman is dim-witted, being a former Booz-Allen
consultant.

thymos_one
Casino Comps
New Group Dedicated to Tracking Casino Comps
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/casino_comps/

I'll pick "C" .

Regards
A.P.
  From: thymos_one
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 3:32 AM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Do we all want the same thing? / Poll Proposal

  Do we all want the same thing?

  What is Your Preferred Video Poker Scenario.
  (all games available in up to $1 denomination single line or .25
  multi-play)

  Scenario A: Large selection of 100.5% games No Comps, No Cash

Back,

  No Promotions

  Scenario B: Large selection of 100.1% games

  No Comps, 0.3% Cash Back, 0.3% Cash Promotions (both Cash Back

and

  Cash Promotions require visits on specific days and at specific

times)

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Albert Pearson" <a-p@s...> wrote:

  ----- Original Message -----

  Scenario C: Large Selection of 99%+ games (NSUD, 9/6 JOB...)

  1.5% of play in Comps No Cash Back; No Promotions (Only Personal
  Gifts that can't be resold, worth 0.5% of play)

  Scenario D: No Games better than 99%: 2% in Comps;

  No Cash Back; Gift Promotions worth 1% of play

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#4

As a Las Vegas local, I'd much rather have B. If I can play positive games, get cashback and bounceback, I'll have enough money to buy my own dinner. Especially since "promotions" could include free rooms and food (or discounts in on-site restaurants) for when I travel, they can keep the comps.

thymos_one <thymos_one@yahoo.com> wrote:I would pick "C" also. I think "C and D" are the best sustainable
options. If lousy dim-witted casino management prevails, we may only
be left with "F" 97% video poker and lousy comps. Fortunately I
don't think Gary Loveman is dim-witted, being a former Booz-Allen
consultant.

thymos_one
Casino Comps
New Group Dedicated to Tracking Casino Comps
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/casino_comps/

I'll pick "C" .

Regards
A.P.
  From: thymos_one
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 3:32 AM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Do we all want the same thing? / Poll Proposal

  Do we all want the same thing?

  What is Your Preferred Video Poker Scenario.
  (all games available in up to $1 denomination single line or .25
  multi-play)

  Scenario A: Large selection of 100.5% games No Comps, No Cash

Back,

  No Promotions

  Scenario B: Large selection of 100.1% games

  No Comps, 0.3% Cash Back, 0.3% Cash Promotions (both Cash Back

and

  Cash Promotions require visits on specific days and at specific

times)

  Scenario C: Large Selection of 99%+ games (NSUD, 9/6 JOB...)

  1.5% of play in Comps No Cash Back; No Promotions (Only Personal
  Gifts that can't be resold, worth 0.5% of play)

  Scenario D: No Games better than 99%: 2% in Comps;

  No Cash Back; Gift Promotions worth 1% of play

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#5

Not only don't we all want the same thing, I don't even want the same thing
from every place I play. As a tourist comps can be almost as good as cash
to me --Rooms, food etc. These are expenses I will have to pay for if I am
not comped. As a local, the more comps I accumulate the less value earning
more has to me. CB/BB/ and any other way to add ER becomes more important,
as I'm sure many LV locals here can testify to. How many steak dinners can
you eat?

Chandler

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-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
thymos_one
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:32 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Do we all want the same thing? / Poll Proposal

Do we all want the same thing?

What is Your Preferred Video Poker Scenario.
(all games available in up to $1 denomination single line or .25
multi-play)

Scenario A: Large selection of 100.5% games No Comps, No Cash Back,
No Promotions

Scenario B: Large selection of 100.1% games

No Comps, 0.3% Cash Back, 0.3% Cash Promotions (both Cash Back and
Cash Promotions require visits on specific days and at specific times)

Scenario C: Large Selection of 99%+ games (NSUD, 9/6 JOB...)

1.5% of play in Comps No Cash Back; No Promotions (Only Personal
Gifts that can't be resold, worth 0.5% of play)

Scenario D: No Games better than 99%: 2% in Comps;

No Cash Back; Gift Promotions worth 1% of play

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#6

Correct. C & D no good at all. Keep the comps+gifts - nearly
worthless to me

As a Las Vegas local, I'd much rather have B. If I can play

positive games, get cashback and bounceback, I'll have enough money
to buy my own dinner. Especially since "promotions" could include
free rooms and food (or discounts in on-site restaurants) for when I
travel, they can keep the comps.

thymos_one <thymos_one@y...> wrote:I would pick "C" also. I

think "C and D" are the best sustainable

options. If lousy dim-witted casino management prevails, we may

only

be left with "F" 97% video poker and lousy comps. Fortunately I
don't think Gary Loveman is dim-witted, being a former Booz-Allen
consultant.

thymos_one
Casino Comps
New Group Dedicated to Tracking Casino Comps
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/casino_comps/

>
> I'll pick "C" .
>
> Regards
> A.P.
> From: thymos_one
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 3:32 AM
> Subject: [vpFREE] Do we all want the same thing? / Poll Proposal
>
>
> Do we all want the same thing?
>
> What is Your Preferred Video Poker Scenario.
> (all games available in up to $1 denomination single line

or .25

> multi-play)
>
> Scenario A: Large selection of 100.5% games No Comps, No Cash
Back,
> No Promotions
>
>
> Scenario B: Large selection of 100.1% games
>
> No Comps, 0.3% Cash Back, 0.3% Cash Promotions (both Cash Back
and
> Cash Promotions require visits on specific days and at specific
times)
>
>
> Scenario C: Large Selection of 99%+ games (NSUD, 9/6 JOB...)
>
> 1.5% of play in Comps No Cash Back; No Promotions (Only

Personal

> Gifts that can't be resold, worth 0.5% of play)
>
>
> Scenario D: No Games better than 99%: 2% in Comps;
>
> No Cash Back; Gift Promotions worth 1% of play
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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#7

As a Las Vegas local, I'd much rather have B. If I can play positive

games, get cashback and bounceback, I'll have enough money to buy my
own dinner. Especially since "promotions" could include free rooms and
food (or discounts in on-site restaurants) for when I travel, they can
keep the comps.

In scenarios "A" and "B" there are no comps at all, no free rooms, no
discounts, no free offers to visit related properties.

The other wrinkle in the scnearios is that the casinos get much nicer
as you go from scenario A to Scenario D. This too probably impacts more
on the tourist than the local player.

Would you choose "C" as a tourist and stick with "B" as a local?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Lainie Wolf <lainiewolf702@y...> wrote:

#8

I am NOT a LV local, and comps DO have value to me. Nevertheless, I
would agree with Lainie & Michael and choose "B" w/o hesitation.
-Babe-

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In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Boutot" <vegas_iwish@y...>wrote:

Correct. C & D no good at all. Keep the comps+gifts - nearly
worthless to me
----------------------------------------------------
In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Lainie Wolf <lainiewolf702@y...> wrote:

As a Las Vegas local, I'd much rather have B. If I can play
positive games, get cashback and bounceback, I'll have enough money
to buy my own dinner. Especially since "promotions" could include
free rooms and food (or discounts in on-site restaurants) for when I
travel, they can keep the comps.

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  ----- Original Message -----
From: thymos_one
What is Your Preferred Video Poker Scenario. (all games available
in up to $1 denomination single line or .25 multi-play)

Scenario B: Large selection of 100.1% games No Comps, 0.3% Cash
Back, 0.3% Cash Promotions (both Cash Back and Cash Promotions
require visits on specific days and at specific times)

#9

Agreed...and you have to leave a cash tip besides!

Don the Dentist

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Chandler" <omnibibulous1@c...> wrote:

As a local, the more comps I accumulate the less value earning
more has to me. CB/BB/ and any other way to add ER becomes more
important, as I'm sure many LV locals here can testify to. How many
steak dinners can you eat?

Chandler

#10

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@y...>
wrote:

I am NOT a LV local, and comps DO have value to me. Nevertheless,

I

would agree with Lainie & Michael and choose "B" w/o hesitation.
-Babe-

Keep in mind with scenario "B" you are going to have to pay the
street rate for your hotel room in addition to paying for all meals.
Lainie misread the scenarios and thought she would be able to squeeze
out some comps on the promotions for "B". The promotions in "B" are
cash only, and are aimed to fill the casinos at very slow periods,
e.g. please pick-up your bb cash between 3am-5am Mon., the day after
you leave LV! Scenario "C" provides 2% in comps and gifts, BTW all
comps are valued by the individual at their full-face value, no dim-
witted casino managers at my casinos. Do you still choose "B" W/O
hesitation?

P.S. It's not that I think no one will prefer "A" or "B", it's just
that I have a difficult time believing "A" or "B" would be the
optimal choice if you are not a local.

thymos_one
Casino Comps
New Group Dedicated to Tracking Casino Comps
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/casino_comps/

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In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Boutot"

<vegas_iwish@y...>wrote:

Correct. C & D no good at all. Keep the comps+gifts - nearly
worthless to me
----------------------------------------------------

As a Las Vegas local, I'd much rather have B. If I can play
positive games, get cashback and bounceback, I'll have enough money
to buy my own dinner. Especially since "promotions" could include
free rooms and food (or discounts in on-site restaurants) for when

I

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In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Lainie Wolf <lainiewolf702@y...> wrote:
travel, they can keep the comps.

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  ----- Original Message -----
From: thymos_one
What is Your Preferred Video Poker Scenario. (all games available
in up to $1 denomination single line or .25 multi-play)

Scenario B: Large selection of 100.1% games No Comps, 0.3% Cash
Back, 0.3% Cash Promotions (both Cash Back and Cash Promotions
require visits on specific days and at specific times)

#11

I am NOT a LV local, and comps DO have value to me. Nevertheless,
I would agree with Lainie & Michael and choose "B" w/o hesitation.
-Babe-

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" wrote:

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In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "thymos_one" <thymos_one@y...> wrote:
Keep in mind with scenario "B" you are going to have to pay the
street rate for your hotel room in addition to paying for all
meals..............The promotions in "B" are for cash only..........
e.g. please pick-up your bb cash between 3am-5am Mon., the day
after you leave LV! .......................Scenario "C" provides 2%
in comps and gifts.........Do you still choose "B" W/O hesitation?
------------------------------------------
Even though you have now explained in more detail, how very
restrictive the conditions for obtaining CB & BBC would be, I still
prefer "B".

It would be no problem for me to rise an hour earlier than usual, to
collect my cash at dawn. If the cash could only be accessed on
certain days of the week, I would make my travel plans accordingly.
As for paying the "street" or "rack" rate at the hotel, I don't
believe that any LV Hotel would not provide, at the least a "casino"
rate. When I am in LV, food comps are of minor importance to me. I
usually want to eat quickly and inexpensively, so that I can back to
playing as expeditiously as possible.

I would certainly be willing to pay a casino hotel rate and for F&B
for the privilege of playing a 100%+ VP inventory. Point me to the
hotel!
-------------------------------------------
P.S. It's not that I think no one will prefer "A" or "B", it's just
that I have a difficult time believing "A" or "B" would be the
optimal choice if you are not a local.
----------------------------------------------
Sorry, I stick with my original selection. As the expression
goes.......different strokes....etc.
-Babe-

#12

I agree with Babe.

When I first started playing VP, I was an extremely low roller -- and rarely played more than $3k in action per TRIP. (Actually, when I first started playing VP, I would stop playing when I accumulated losses of just $20/day!!!) As you can imagine, I was never hosted, only comped once -- and that was for just one night.

More importantly, my husband and I regularly received post-card based "promotions" offering free or extremely discounted rooms, show tickets, etc. We'd come to LV, usually staying at the Hilton (does anyone remember their $29/night mailers?) and play full pay games. We'd use the LV Advisor coupons and the Entertainment book to keep our food costs down, and we'd have a blast -- usually spending less than $200/weekend for everything but gambling.

Las Vegas was a very affordable vacation, and playing full pay games just added to the fun.

Our vacation budget is always kept separately from our gambling budget/bankroll. Even though I'm now a "local" (and my 'stop loss' is higher than $20/day <g>), I still like to take casino vacations, and I'd still rather use a mailer and pay something for my room and have full pay games available.

Lainie

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jackessiebabe <jackessiebabe@yahoo.com> wrote:

I would certainly be willing to pay a casino hotel rate and for F&B for the privilege of playing a 100%+ VP inventory. Point me to the hotel!

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#13

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@y...>
wrote:

It would be no problem for me to rise an hour earlier than usual,

to collect my cash at dawn. If the cash could only be accessed on
certain days of the week, I would make my travel plans accordingly.>>>

As for paying the "street" or "rack" rate at the hotel, I don't

believe that any LV Hotel would not provide, at the least a "casino"
rate.>>>

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Remember these are hypothetical scenarios. No casino rate here, and
since even LV "rack" rates tend to be "subsidized", expect the racks
rates to be higher than current LV rates, comparable to other resort
destinations. To keep your hard earned EV dollars, as a tourist, you
would probably have to enjoy eating and sleeping alfresco.

Even under today's "real" scenarios, the optimal play is not always
with the 100%+ games. It's important to analyze the comp/promotion
package, particularly for non-local situations. Casinos have already
taken measures to severely curtail comps/promotions to players that
play only 100%+ games.

thymos_one
Casino Comps
New Group Dedicated to Tracking Casino Comps
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/casino_comps/

#14

You know, if you can't afford the hotel you might need to skip the
gambling. I used to stay at the EL C in the original upstairs rooms
for $25 a night & others can too. When I was not a local it was still
B.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@y...>
wrote:
>
> I am NOT a LV local, and comps DO have value to me.

Nevertheless,

I
> would agree with Lainie & Michael and choose "B" w/o hesitation.
> -Babe-

Keep in mind with scenario "B" you are going to have to pay the
street rate for your hotel room in addition to paying for all

meals.

Lainie misread the scenarios and thought she would be able to

squeeze

out some comps on the promotions for "B". The promotions in "B" are
cash only, and are aimed to fill the casinos at very slow periods,
e.g. please pick-up your bb cash between 3am-5am Mon., the day

after

you leave LV! Scenario "C" provides 2% in comps and gifts, BTW all
comps are valued by the individual at their full-face value, no dim-
witted casino managers at my casinos. Do you still choose "B" W/O
hesitation?

P.S. It's not that I think no one will prefer "A" or "B", it's just
that I have a difficult time believing "A" or "B" would be the
optimal choice if you are not a local.

thymos_one
Casino Comps
New Group Dedicated to Tracking Casino Comps
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/casino_comps/

> ----------------------------------------------------
> In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Boutot"
<vegas_iwish@y...>wrote:
>
> Correct. C & D no good at all. Keep the comps+gifts - nearly
> worthless to me
> ----------------------------------------------------
> In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Lainie Wolf <lainiewolf702@y...>

wrote:

>
> As a Las Vegas local, I'd much rather have B. If I can play
> positive games, get cashback and bounceback, I'll have enough

money

> to buy my own dinner. Especially since "promotions" could

include

> free rooms and food (or discounts in on-site restaurants) for

when

I
> travel, they can keep the comps.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> From: thymos_one
> What is Your Preferred Video Poker Scenario. (all games

available

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "thymos_one" <thymos_one@y...> wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> in up to $1 denomination single line or .25 multi-play)
>
> Scenario B: Large selection of 100.1% games No Comps, 0.3% Cash
> Back, 0.3% Cash Promotions (both Cash Back and Cash Promotions
> require visits on specific days and at specific times)
>

#15

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Boutot" <vegas_iwish@y...>
wrote:

You know, if you can't afford the hotel you might need to skip the
gambling.

Local "B" =+$30 EV Good
Visitor "B"=+$30 EV -$60 Room -$25 Food = -$55 OK
Visitor "C"=-$30 EV Free room Free Food = -$30 Better

#16

and since even LV "rack" rates tend to be "subsidized", expect the
racks rates to be higher than current LV rates, comparable to other
resort destinations. To keep your hard earned EV dollars, as a
tourist, you would probably have to enjoy eating and sleeping
alfresco.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "thymos_one" <thymos_one@y...> wrote:

Remember these are hypothetical scenarios. No casino rate here,

-------------------------------------------
The spot that I pick for my "Al fresco adventure is the North side
of Fremont Street, directly in front of the Metro Police Station. I
would feel safer here.

BTW, Can I wear PJ's, or would this be outside AND Naked? <g>
--------------------------------------------

Even under today's "real" scenarios, the optimal play is not

always with the 100%+ games. It's important to analyze the
comp/promotion package, particularly for non-local situations.
Casinos have already taken measures to severely curtail
comps/promotions to players that play only 100%+ games.
---------------------------------------------
Thanks for the advice. I appreciate your taking the time to give me
the benefit of your experience.

I do realize that the scenarios in this thread were developed by
you. Therefore, you have the right to establish all the ground rules.
However, since I don't like "C" or "D", and am now ambivalent about
"B", I think that I'll pick up my marbles......er......bankroll, and
go to Reno. There I can elect "E";100%+ Vp (at .25/.50 denom.) RFB,
very liberal Freeplay & daily offers accessed with a player card.

Thanks for an interesting discussion.
-Babe-

#17

Yes, but you can afford to be generous. What is 30% of free? :wink:

Chandler

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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
dds2124
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:04 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Do we all want the same thing? / Poll Proposal

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Chandler" <omnibibulous1@c...> wrote:

As a local, the more comps I accumulate the less value earning
more has to me. CB/BB/ and any other way to add ER becomes more
important, as I'm sure many LV locals here can testify to. How many
steak dinners can you eat?

Chandler

Agreed...and you have to leave a cash tip besides!

Don the Dentist

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#18

So long as we're creating hypotheticals, why don't we create one with good
vp, comps and bounce that I don't have to collect a 3AM :wink:

Chandler

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-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
thymos_one
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:10 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Do we all want the same thing?

Remember these are hypothetical scenarios. No casino rate here, and
since even LV "rack" rates tend to be "subsidized", expect the racks
rates to be higher than current LV rates, comparable to other resort
destinations. To keep your hard earned EV dollars, as a tourist, you
would probably have to enjoy eating and sleeping alfresco.

#19

So long as we're creating hypotheticals, why don't we create one with

good

vp, comps and bounce that I don't have to collect a 3AM :wink:

Chandler

for us tourist's its RENO RENO

M J

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Chandler" <omnibibulous1@c...> wrote:

#20

30%??? :wink:

I will tip a server based on the quality of my service. You start at
15%(pre-comp). If you are inattentive, you drop to 10%(pre-comp). If
you consistently make mistakes or spill something on me(happened once
and meal was free so I still tipped 15%), you go down to 5%(pre-comp).
If you provide great service and make me feel like you value my
business, you jump to 20% plus(pre-comp).

I love checking out of the Hilton and just paying the tips,
dipy911

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Chandler" <omnibibulous1@c...> wrote:

Yes, but you can afford to be generous. What is 30% of free? :wink:

Chandler