I realize that some VP players devote a lot of time looking for maximum pay machines while avoiding all of the less optimal machines. But does it really matter to those who play only several hours on their occasional vacations (99% of VP players)? Hitting RFs is such a rare occurrence anyway except for the dedicated player (60+ hours a week?) based almost totally on luck. Searching for and finding a 9/6 JoB machine only raises expectations of winning and leads to more heartbreak than it's worth. If you are an occasional player, it's probably best to just be content with the more plentiful 9/5 or 8/5 machines and hope for the best while realizing that your donation to the casinos is manageable.
Do paytables really matter to 99% of VP players?
This guy must be a shill for Harrah's or MGM trying to convice everyone that playing games with a 2% plus take out is just as good as full pay. I call BS.
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--- On Thu, 7/30/09, mrrmi <tenplay@mail.com> wrote:
From: mrrmi <tenplay@mail.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Do paytables really matter to 99% of VP players?
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 1:04 PM
I realize that some VP players devote a lot of time looking for maximum pay machines while avoiding all of the less optimal machines. But does it really matter to those who play only several hours on their occasional vacations (99% of VP players)? Hitting RFs is such a rare occurrence anyway except for the dedicated player (60+ hours a week?) based almost totally on luck. Searching for and finding a 9/6 JoB machine only raises expectations of winning and leads to more heartbreak than it's worth. If you are an occasional player, it's probably best to just be content with the more plentiful 9/5 or 8/5 machines and hope for the best while realizing that your donation to the casinos is manageable.
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If you want to give up 5 credits on EVERY FH and FL you get during several hours of play, be my guest but I don't think many here are going to agree with you.
Next you'll be telling us how great 6:5 Black Jack is too
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mrrmi" <tenplay@...> wrote:
<snip> If you are an occasional player, it's probably best to just be content with the more plentiful 9/5 or 8/5 machines and hope for the best while realizing that your donation to the casinos is manageable.
My question is, "if there is a better paytable available, why NOT
play it?" There's no point in giving up ANY money if you don't have
to, right?
I guess it's like going to the gas station. If there are two gas
stations right next to each other, one is $.05 per gallon cheaper,
and all else is equal, I'm going to save the $.05, even if it's only
a $.70 savings on my 14 gallons of gas.
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On 30 Jul 2009, at 10:04, mrrmi wrote:
I realize that some VP players devote a lot of time looking for
maximum pay machines while avoiding all of the less optimal
machines. But does it really matter to those who play only several
hours on their occasional vacations (99% of VP players)? Hitting
RFs is such a rare occurrence anyway except for the dedicated
player (60+ hours a week?) based almost totally on luck. Searching
for and finding a 9/6 JoB machine only raises expectations of
winning and leads to more heartbreak than it's worth. If you are an
occasional player, it's probably best to just be content with the
more plentiful 9/5 or 8/5 machines and hope for the best while
realizing that your donation to the casinos is manageable.
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If one does a search on all this guy's messages from when he first appeared (last Christmas Eve), then disappearing until this month, and look at the topics he's started, one might take a more charitable view, and guess that he's a very, very novice "player"
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From: NC Wanderer <larbo929@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Do paytables really matter to 99% of VP players?
This guy must be a shill for Harrah's or MGM trying to convice everyone that playing games with a 2% plus take out is just as good as full pay. I call BS.
--- On Thu, 7/30/09, mrrmi <tenplay@mail. com> wrote:
From: mrrmi <tenplay@mail. com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Do paytables really matter to 99% of VP players?
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 1:04 PM
I realize that some VP players devote a lot of time looking for maximum pay machines while avoiding all of the less optimal machines. But does it really matter to those who play only several hours on their occasional vacations (99% of VP players)? Hitting RFs is such a rare occurrence anyway except for the dedicated player (60+ hours a week?) based almost totally on luck. Searching for and finding a 9/6 JoB machine only raises expectations of winning and leads to more heartbreak than it's worth. If you are an occasional player, it's probably best to just be content with the more plentiful 9/5 or 8/5 machines and hope for the best while realizing that your donation to the casinos is manageable.
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"If one does a search on all this guy's messages from when he first appeared (last Christmas Eve), then disappearing until this month, and look at the topics he's started, one might take a more charitable view, and guess that he's a very, very novice "player""
First post is looking for 9/6 in the LA/San Diego area.
Has anyone hit a royal with max coins?
Are online casinos legit.
Any good VP in Western Washington?
Questions on 100 pay and royals.
Shilling powervideopoker.com.
Shilling short pay machines.
It could be be "novice" questions were a set up for his shilling activity.
Or it could be he is just not too bright.
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Or either 16 years old, or 40+ living in Mommy's basement? ; )
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From: NC Wanderer <larbo929@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 4:14:12 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Do paytables really matter to 99% of VP players?
"If one does a search on all this guy's messages from when he first appeared (last Christmas Eve), then disappearing until this month, and look at the topics he's started, one might take a more charitable view, and guess that he's a very, very novice "player""
First post is looking for 9/6 in the LA/San Diego area.
Has anyone hit a royal with max coins?
Are online casinos legit.
Any good VP in Western Washington?
Questions on 100 pay and royals.
Shilling powervideopoker. com.
Shilling short pay machines.
It could be be "novice" questions were a set up for his shilling activity.
Or it could be he is just not too bright.
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Mommy's paytables are 7/5.
Quoting Guru Perf <guruperf@yahoo.com>:
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Or either 16 years old, or 40+ living in Mommy's basement? ; )
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From: NC Wanderer <larbo929@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 4:14:12 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Do paytables really matter to 99% of VP players?"If one does a search on all this guy's messages from when he first appeared (last Christmas Eve), then disappearing until this month, and look at the topics he's started, one might take a more charitable view, and guess that he's a very, very novice "player""
First post is looking for 9/6 in the LA/San Diego area.
Has anyone hit a royal with max coins?
Are online casinos legit.
Any good VP in Western Washington?
Questions on 100 pay and royals.
Shilling powervideopoker. com.
Shilling short pay machines.It could be be "novice" questions were a set up for his shilling activity.
Or it could be he is just not too bright.
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This reminds me of a story. We were in a rental car on vacation and needed gas. There were two stations and there was a 1 cent difference in price. I chose the cheaper one and had to wait in line while the other station was empty. My wife thought I was crazy.
Kurt
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan O. Roemer" <public@...> wrote:
I guess it's like going to the gas station. If there are two gas
stations right next to each other, one is $.05 per gallon cheaper,
and all else is equal, I'm going to save the $.05, even if it's only
a $.70 savings on my 14 gallons of gas.
mrrmi,
First of all, Royal Flushes pay the same on most machines, even the very short pays. So, hitting RF's is meaningless to the discussion.
Because the full house and flush that are shorted happen often, even for the occasional player, it does matter.
A dollar player losses an EXTRA $60 to $80 each hour of play (9/6 v. 8/5). I spend less tha 10 days a year in a casino and would never play anything under 8/5 bonus and then only for value (cash back, comps). You must understand that for me, and many people in this group, it's about winning, not about playing video poker.
TK in WIS
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----- Original Message ----
From: mrrmi <tenplay@mail.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:04:54 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Do paytables really matter to 99% of VP players?
I realize that some VP players devote a lot of time looking for maximum pay machines while avoiding all of the less optimal machines. But does it really matter to those who play only several hours on their occasional vacations (99% of VP players)? Hitting RFs is such a rare occurrence anyway except for the dedicated player (60+ hours a week?) based almost totally on luck. Searching for and finding a 9/6 JoB machine only raises expectations of winning and leads to more heartbreak than it's worth. If you are an occasional player, it's probably best to just be content with the more plentiful 9/5 or 8/5 machines and hope for the best while realizing that your donation to the casinos is manageable.
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You think that's bad? I was going back to Phoenix from Laughlin, my friend was driving, his car, and we had his wife and his mother with us. It was like 120 degrees in the summer, his wife and mom were both old ladies! Out in the middle of nowhere, the car sounds like it's running out of gas. I give a very dirty look at my friend, and sure enough, he shrugs his shoulders and says we're about out of gas. I said, "You idiot, you drive in the desert in the summer, with your wife and mother, both in their 70s, and you forgot gas?"
We finally come rolling into town on fumes, and I'm thanking God for not leaving us as buzzard bait in the desert. We spot a gas station, and I fully expect my friend to turn into the gas station. To my amazement, he drives PAST the gas station. I asked wtf he was doing. He said, "Look, a few more blocks and we can save 2-cents a gallon" I WANTED TO KILL HIM!
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "kingofkurtopia" <kingofkurtopia@...> wrote:
This reminds me of a story. We were in a rental car on vacation and needed gas. There were two stations and there was a 1 cent difference in price. I chose the cheaper one and had to wait in line while the other station was empty. My wife thought I was crazy.
Duck
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mrrmi" <tenplay@...> wrote:
I realize that some VP players devote a lot of time looking for maximum pay machines while avoiding all of the less optimal machines. But does it really matter to those who play only several hours on their occasional vacations (99% of VP players)? Hitting RFs is such a rare occurrence anyway except for the dedicated player (60+ hours a week?) based almost totally on luck. Searching for and finding a 9/6 JoB machine only raises expectations of winning and leads to more heartbreak than it's worth. If you are an occasional player, it's probably best to just be content with the more plentiful 9/5 or 8/5 machines and hope for the best while realizing that your donation to the casinos is manageable.
Well put, deuces!
Don't you think you guys are being a little hard on poor mrrmi? He
wasn't describing how to make a living at it. 99% might be high, but
if I owned a casino, I'd emphasize fun more than pay tables.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mrrmi" <tenplay@...> wrote:
I realize that some VP players devote a lot of time looking for maximum pay machines while avoiding all of the less optimal machines. But does it really matter to those who play only several hours on their occasional vacations (99% of VP players)? Hitting RFs is such a rare occurrence anyway except for the dedicated player (60+ hours a week?) based almost totally on luck. Searching for and finding a 9/6 JoB machine only raises expectations of winning and leads to more heartbreak than it's worth. If you are an occasional player, it's probably best to just be content with the more plentiful 9/5 or 8/5 machines and hope for the best while realizing that your donation to the casinos is manageable.
Duck
Geez. I was only expressing what 99% of casual VP players think. Not the VP fanatics who obsess about pay tables and pray to the VP gods before they play. If you manage to get up to Reno once every other month and play 3-4 hours of VP, it really doesn't make sense to research the locations of the few favorable machines in town and wait for one of them to open up. Certainly playing a 9/6 machine is preferred over a 9/5 or 8/5 but it doesn't make enough difference to choose not to play or lament one's cruel fate when having to play less-than-optimal machines.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Tom Robertson <madameguyon@...> wrote:
>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mrrmi" <tenplay@> wrote:
>>
>> I realize that some VP players devote a lot of time looking for maximum pay machines while avoiding all of the less optimal machines. But does it really matter to those who play only several hours on their occasional vacations (99% of VP players)? Hitting RFs is such a rare occurrence anyway except for the dedicated player (60+ hours a week?) based almost totally on luck. Searching for and finding a 9/6 JoB machine only raises expectations of winning and leads to more heartbreak than it's worth. If you are an occasional player, it's probably best to just be content with the more plentiful 9/5 or 8/5 machines and hope for the best while realizing that your donation to the casinos is manageable.
>>
>
>
>DuckWell put, deuces!
Don't you think you guys are being a little hard on poor mrrmi? He
wasn't describing how to make a living at it. 99% might be high, but
if I owned a casino, I'd emphasize fun more than pay tables.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com , "Nathan O. Roemer" <public@...> wrote:
This reminds me of a story. We were in a rental car on vacation >and needed gas. There were two stations and there was a 1 >cent difference in price. I chose the cheaper one and had to >wait in line while the other station was empty. My wife thought I >was crazy.
Kurt
In that particular circumstance, You were crazy.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "kingofkurtopia" <kingofkurtopia@gmail.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:35:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Do paytables really matter to 99% of VP players?
Your post was met with ridicule because, well, because it is just weird. lol I mean, unless you're in a very isolated place in this country where there are only atrocious pay tables, then almost every venue has at least some machines better than the 9-5 and 8-5 JoB you mentioned. Why not play those? It does make a difference, if you like money.
-BB
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mrrmi" <tenplay@...> wrote:
Geez. I was only expressing what 99% of casual VP players think. Not the VP fanatics who obsess about pay tables and pray to the VP gods before they play. If you manage to get up to Reno once every other month and play 3-4 hours of VP, it really doesn't make sense to research the locations of the few favorable machines in town and wait for one of them to open up. Certainly playing a 9/6 machine is preferred over a 9/5 or 8/5 but it doesn't make enough difference to choose not to play or lament one's cruel fate when having to play less-than-optimal machines.
Geez. I was only expressing what 99% of casual VP players think. Not the VP fanatics who obsess about pay tables and pray to the VP gods before they play. If you manage to get up to Reno once every other month and play 3-4 hours of VP, it really doesn't make sense to research the locations of the few favorable machines in town and wait for one of them to open up. Certainly playing a 9/6 machine is preferred over a 9/5 or 8/5 but it doesn't make enough difference to choose not to play or lament one's cruel fate when having to play less-than-optimal machines.
I wish Reno were my nearby option! The best overall vp along with fullpay vbj that I have ever seen was at Atlantis in Reno last summer and I doubt if things have changed much. Just go there next time and I don't think you will have to wait for a good machine. I live 3 miles from Harrahs in North Kansas City and have not played there in years. In fact it has been about 3 years since I have played anywhere in town due to the reduction in paytables. My play has been restricted to once or twice a year comped stays in Vegas and the one trip to Reno. Why play at all if you know it's a loser.
Geez. I was only expressing what 99% of casual VP players think.
I am sorry to question your psychic abilities, but it seems unlikely that
you would know what 99% of a specific group is thinking.
Not the VP fanatics who obsess about pay
tables
Since I am guilty of this I guess I would be in your fanatic category. You
will see shortly how important this is.
and pray to the VP gods before they play.
I don't do this, don't know the gods. Does it work?
If you manage to get up to Reno once every other month and play 3-4 hours
of VP, it really doesn't make sense to research the locations of the few
favorable machines in town and wait for one of them to open up.
Ok, so let's assume a player makes this trip, 6 times a year at four hours a
pop, a total of 24 hours play in Reno per year.
Certainly playing a 9/6 machine is preferred over a 9/5 or 8/5 but it
doesn't make enough difference to choose not to play or lament one's cruel
fate when having to play less-than-optimal machines.
Well, let's take a closer look at our hypothetical Reno player. He goes
there 6 times a year, playing 4 hours per trip, a total of 24 hours for the
year. He plays dollar jacks at a leisurely 600 hands per hour, and is not
all that lucky and does not manage to get hit by a royal during his entire
play ( not at all uncommon on only 14,400 hands). Since this is my post, I
am making his two game choices 9-6 JOB, 99.5439% ER or 8-5 JOB, 97.2984% ER.
I hate to bring up the scary thought of mathematics, but that is exactly
what all VP is, whether we choose to believe it or not, or if you think
short term or long. If we all had a DVR in our head, and could record each
hand of every session played, all the proof anyone would need would be right
in the playback. Anyhow, in Reno man's royaless year, if he chooses the 9-6
game, he can expect to average $73.08 per hour in losses, or $1,753.92 for
the year. If he picks the 8-5 game, he is facing an hourly whack of $140.75
or $3,378.00. Looks to me like the wrong choice of paytable would damn near
double his expected losses for the year. Each individual player would have
to determine for themselves if this is significant or not.
Nudge
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From: "mrrmi" <tenplay@mail.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Do paytables really matter to 99% of VP players?
In that particular circumstance, You were crazy.
I agree with you, and her. But hey, being a tightwad has it's upsides and it's downsides at times. 
Kurt
Did you determine how much gas you would burn while idling in line? And then of course how much that gas would cost to replace at the .01 lower rate......
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "kingofkurtopia" <kingofkurtopia@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan O. Roemer" <public@> wrote:
> I guess it's like going to the gas station. If there are two gas
> stations right next to each other, one is $.05 per gallon cheaper,
> and all else is equal, I'm going to save the $.05, even if it's only
> a $.70 savings on my 14 gallons of gas.This reminds me of a story. We were in a rental car on vacation and needed gas. There were two stations and there was a 1 cent difference in price. I chose the cheaper one and had to wait in line while the other station was empty. My wife thought I was crazy.
Kurt