Is there anything we can do to halt the demise of good VP? I would
surely like to contact the "powers that be" at the River Palms to
implore them either not to remove the old machines or to install new
ones with the same games. I truly won't go there any more if they take
out all the AA and Full pay Deuces.
It seems that all they care about are the new, flashy (stupid) slots!
Help! How can we save our VP?
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The reason they are taking them out is they know the good player can
eek out a 100%
return on these games. There doesn't seem to be a lack of gambling
at other games
so why have such player favored games?
If you won't go to the River Palms, where will you go. FPDW are
quickly disappearing from all casinos. Does this mean you will quit gambling?
By the way, I certainly prefer playing full pay machines. I tend to
like Bonus Poker and would love to see 8/5 payoffs all over the
place. But in the short term, I'm not convinced that the pay table
really amounts to much.
Rick
At 09:11 AM 8/3/2006, you wrote:
Is there anything we can do to halt the demise of good VP? I would
surely like to contact the "powers that be" at the River Palms to
implore them either not to remove the old machines or to install new
ones with the same games. I truly won't go there any more if they take
out all the AA and Full pay Deuces.It seems that all they care about are the new, flashy (stupid) slots!
Help! How can we save our VP?
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What concerns me is that they are slowly doing away with most of the
playable VP in all the casinos. I was just wondering if it would do
any good to contact a casino supervisor or those who makes decisions
about what is put on the playing floor. If we just sit back and let it
happen, no one will ever know there are some upset customers around.
Our opinions may or may not make any difference to anyone --- but you
know what they say about squeaky wheels.
Yes, if all the good vp goes away, I just might give up gambling. Does
anyone else feel that way?
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From: vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vpFREE_Laugh…@…com] On Behalf Of Rick Bronstein
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:25 AM
To: vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_Laughlin] Disappearing VP
The reason they are taking them out is they know the good player can
eek out a 100%
return on these games. There doesn't seem to be a lack of gambling
at other games
so why have such player favored games?
If you won't go to the River Palms, where will you go. FPDW are
quickly disappearing from all casinos. Does this mean you will quit
gambling?
By the way, I certainly prefer playing full pay machines. I tend to
like Bonus Poker and would love to see 8/5 payoffs all over the
place. But in the short term, I'm not convinced that the pay table
really amounts to much.
Rick
At 09:11 AM 8/3/2006, you wrote:
Is there anything we can do to halt the demise of good VP? I would
surely like to contact the "powers that be" at the River Palms to
implore them either not to remove the old machines or to install new
ones with the same games. I truly won't go there any more if they take
out all the AA and Full pay Deuces.It seems that all they care about are the new, flashy (stupid) slots!
Help! How can we save our VP?
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Yes, if all the good vp goes away, I just might give up gambling.
Does anyone else feel that way?
I will stop if the good plays go away. I'd rather think of it as a
'play' than 'good vp'. The quality of the vp is a big part of the play.
I hope to break even on a positive expectation game, but my hope fades
on a negative expectation game. That leaves the slot club and
marketing benefits to provide me with things I value, like rooms, food
and cash. Slot clubs and marketing really prefer naive gamblers to
those of us who work at it and play positive expectation games.
It does not hurt me much, (some, but not much) to play a 99.7% game
and get RFB or RFL and good cash back at a property I like. The
problem is I can do that within 35 miles of home and not have to
travel to Nevada. It costs two of us about $600 just to get to and
from Nevada. There is just no way we'll spend that money to play
games just like what we can play 45 minutes from home with better slot
club/marketing benefits.
When the play goes away, so do we.
Now that sounds like a letter you should submit to the managers at
River Palms. The double bonus and deuces are games most of us
play. As well as the AA upstairs. I understand the desire to put
alot of penny slot machines in. The people that play them on a
regular basis usually do not play full coin and they lose. Or to
play full pay - it would cost them the same as a dollar machine.
Either way - it brings people in and they spend money on those
machines. I have played some penny machines recently. They were
alot of fun but I was fully aware that I was spending as much as
playing a dollar machine. (I would not play less than max
credits). I made a nice little profit but most of the people did
not around me.
--- In vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com, "testpro" <testpro@...>
wrote:
> Yes, if all the good vp goes away, I just might give up
gambling.
> Does anyone else feel that way?
>
I will stop if the good plays go away. I'd rather think of it as a
'play' than 'good vp'. The quality of the vp is a big part of the
play.
I hope to break even on a positive expectation game, but my hope
fades
on a negative expectation game. That leaves the slot club and
marketing benefits to provide me with things I value, like rooms,
food
and cash. Slot clubs and marketing really prefer naive gamblers to
those of us who work at it and play positive expectation games.It does not hurt me much, (some, but not much) to play a 99.7% game
and get RFB or RFL and good cash back at a property I like. The
problem is I can do that within 35 miles of home and not have to
travel to Nevada. It costs two of us about $600 just to get to and
from Nevada. There is just no way we'll spend that money to play
games just like what we can play 45 minutes from home with better
slot
club/marketing benefits.
When the play goes away, so do we.