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Digest Number 8448

The post below is correct, of course - I was writing in the context of the original topic of reducing the chance of going broke, but of course Kelly works at both ends of the bankroll – minimizing / controlling losses, and optimization of growth. That particular sentence was in contrast to some more arbitrary way of determining a stop point no matter how one was sizing one’s bets – but the point is also well-taken that you can further minimize the chance of getting to the stop point, however it is determined, by minimizing one’s bets as well.

In fact, when I played blackjack, the latter was exactly how I played, to some extent. I could have played at a higher minimum / unit bet, and according to Kelly, I should have – but I chose to bet at a somewhat lower level – because continuing to play at
that level without losing a lot was more important to me than bankroll growth. Also, even though my total bankroll would have supported a higher level of play, my trip bankroll (what I brought with me, beyond which I wouldn’t play anymore) might not have, and I didn’t like the idea of potentially having to stop playing on a given trip because I ran out of trip money, even though the total bankroll would have supported higher-level play according to Kelly.

Again, I didn’t fully understand the math involved, but I had read articles telling me what percentage of my total bankroll should be my unit bet based on Kelly, and I chose to play at a lower level. I knew that I was trading off greater (and less than optimal) bankroll growth in exchange for less chance of losing everything on a given trip. I suppose I could have traveled with more money or established a line of credit, but with just 3-5 trips a year (this
was before universal casino presence), and therefore limited opportunities to play, this was how I chose to play.

–BG

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Barry,

You make a number of excellent points, but you wrote “All Kelly does is minimize the chance of getting to the stop point.” This is incorrect. Kelly maximizes bankroll growth which is a trade off between risk and reward. You can play at the smallest stakes possible with a large bankroll and have almost zero chance of hitting the stop point, but also very little bankroll growth.

Chris

We are taking a 7 Star and Diamond Aspiration trip to Vegas over Christmas. Will be staying at the Flamingo and have some questions I would appreciate answers to:

Resort Fees/Internet/Movies—are these applied to 7 Star and what might be the daily “rules” ?

Are any pools open ?

Does the 7 Star card give you free access to any of the spas?

What “amenities” should be expected ?

Have not been to Vegas for about 4 years—anything of note “new” to see

Thank you for your answers in advance—Kris

Things to see- the cosmo, aria, mob museum downtown.

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To: vpf…@…com
From: KcjH…@…com
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:30:43 -0500
Subject: [vpFREE] Question Regarding “Additional” charges at Ceasar’s Properties

We are taking a 7 Star and Diamond Aspiration trip to Vegas over Christmas. Will be staying at the Flamingo and have some questions I would appreciate answers to:

Resort Fees/Internet/Movies—are these applied to 7 Star and what might be the daily “rules” ?

Are any pools open ?

Does the 7 Star card give you free access to any of the spas?

What “amenities” should be expected ?

Have not been to Vegas for about 4 years—anything of note “new” to see

Thank you for your answers in advance—Kris

I have been coming out there on some offers and I was charged for Internet and movies without my knowledge. They took the points off my card. I am coming out there this week and have to go to both Paris and Rio to have the points returned to my card. Naturally I didn’t realize the points were deducted until I look at my TR statements for the previous couple of months. I know some people who keep track of their point balance and always know when points are missing. I didn’t because I was buying meals with my points a couple of times. The problem is the person checking you in doesn’t code 7* in the computer. Checking your room charges on the TV does no good. The charges don’t appear so you think your getting Internet and movies for free. I sure would like know where I authorized the properties to take points off my account for room charges without disclosing that information to me at check-in.

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—In vpF…@…com, <KcjHood@…> wrote:

We are taking a 7 Star and Diamond Aspiration trip to Vegas over Christmas. Will be staying at the Flamingo and have some questions I would appreciate answers to:

Resort Fees/Internet/Movies—are these applied to 7 Star and what might be the daily “rules” ?

Are any pools open ?

Does the 7 Star card give you free access to any of the spas?

What “amenities” should be expected ?

Have not been to Vegas for about 4 years—anything of note “new” to see

Thank you for your answers in advance—Kris

Different properties have different seven star privileges. As far as I am aware, none of the Las Vegas properties give free movies to seven star guests.

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—In vpF…@…com, <vpking77@…> wrote:

I have been coming out there on some offers and I was charged for Internet and movies without my knowledge.

When did that policy change. In Atlantic City 7 Stars get free movies and internet,

Different properties have different seven star privileges. As far as I am aware, none of the Las Vegas properties give free movies to seven star guests.

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—In vpF…@…com, <catan.shepherd@…> wrote:

—In vpF…@…com, <vpking77@…> wrote:

I have been coming out there on some offers and I was charged for Internet and movies without my knowledge.

We always get free Internet and movies at Caesars Palace. 7* check in at VIP and they put that on your account automatically. I think that is true at all Vegas properties.

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From: vpkin…@…com

Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 6:24 PM

To: vpF…@…com

Subject: [vpFREE] RE: RE: RE: Question Regarding "Additional" charges at Ceasar's Properties

When did that policy change. In Atlantic City 7 Stars get free movies and internet,

—In vpF…@…com, <catan.shepherd@…> wrote:

Different properties have different seven star privileges. As far as I am aware, none of the Las Vegas properties give free movies to seven star guests.

The best spa is the Caesars Palace Qua Baths. 7* and guest enter free. Flamingo has a spa/workout area and it is free also but nothing like caesars. it is worth the walk across the street. I will be there from Dec 27 to Jan 4 so if you want to meet then lets talk. We can share a couple of 7* meals. Remember you get your $500 room folio allowance, your $500 7* meal and whatever other comps the property offers. Plus they should limo you to and from the airport.

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—In vpF…@…com, <KcjHood@…> wrote:

We are taking a 7 Star and Diamond Aspiration trip to Vegas over Christmas. Will be staying at the Flamingo and have some questions I would appreciate answers to:

Resort Fees/Internet/Movies—are these applied to 7 Star and what might be the daily “rules” ?

Are any pools open ?

Does the 7 Star card give you free access to any of the spas?

What “amenities” should be expected ?

Have not been to Vegas for about 4 years—anything of note “new” to see

Thank you for your answers in advance—Kris