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Digest Number 2655

#1

Harry Potter said
"Fred, you have plenty of company -- novice and advanced players alike."

Thank you Harry, and Fred. I am a novice when it comes to vp and have been reading the board for a while now and this is some of the most useful info I have read. Thanks. I get to about 97% playing dueces wild on winpoker and 98% on JOB.
I know ... I need work.

I play vp as a break from poker but I like to have as much info as I can about any game I play, so reading this board is an absolute must for me.

I would guess my winpoker software is about five years old. When I buy the Frugal software is it necessary to update the winpoker? Anyone have any thoughts?

#2

<I would guess my winpoker software is about five years old. When I buy the
Frugal software is it necessary to update the winpoker? Anyone have any
thoughts?>>

I'm not sure what you mean here. If you buy Frugal VP, you will have a
tutor AND a strategy generator and many other functions. FVP is a separate
software program than WinPoker. A lot of people use both. Maybe they are
used to WinPoker as their tutor so use it for that function. But if they
want to generate a strategy they use FVP. FVP also does umpteen things that
can't be done on other available software. Here is my Top Ten favorite
unique features:

TOP TEN

1. Calculating the value of slot club points
2. Sequential royal analysis
3. A volatility graph that shows the peaks and valleys of your bankroll in
your session play,
4. You can change the bonus or kicker payoffs for ANY of the 4 of a kinds,
5. Tournament Mode
6. Strategy chart lists all the different plays contained in the hand, to
help aid in identification.
7. You can have errors replayed during a session so you can be re-tested on
the hands that you are having trouble with.
8. You can rearrange (tweak) the rankings in a strategy chart and then
analyze the chart for its return. Some do this so that they can learn the
cost of a play, like always going for a royal.
9. You can define the payoffs for natural and wild hands independent of
each other.
10. There are two options for the tutoring function: "perfect play" if you
want to learn every little penalty card situation and "strategy play" if you
would like to learn a very good simplified strategy that gives you an EV
very close to the perfect one but does not include any complex penalty-card
factors. You have a choice.

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________________________________________
Jean $�ott - http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
  for VP software and strategy cards.
  NEW - Blackjack Strategy Cards +
              Updated Second Edition of
             "The Frugal Gambler."

#3

So long as Jean is giving a sales pitch for FVP, there will be new
software early next year with considerably more features to it than
either WinPoker or Frugal VP. More information will be coming relatively
soon.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

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-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf
Of Jean Scott
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:13 PM
To: AA vpFREE Group
Cc: AA - Jim Wolf
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: VP Software question

<I would guess my winpoker software is about five years old. When I buy
the
Frugal software is it necessary to update the winpoker? Anyone have any
thoughts?>>

I'm not sure what you mean here. If you buy Frugal VP, you will have a
tutor AND a strategy generator and many other functions. FVP is a
separate
software program than WinPoker. A lot of people use both. Maybe they
are
used to WinPoker as their tutor so use it for that function. But if
they
want to generate a strategy they use FVP. FVP also does umpteen things
that
can't be done on other available software. Here is my Top Ten favorite
unique features:

TOP TEN

1. Calculating the value of slot club points
2. Sequential royal analysis
3. A volatility graph that shows the peaks and valleys of your bankroll
in
your session play,
4. You can change the bonus or kicker payoffs for ANY of the 4 of a
kinds,
5. Tournament Mode
6. Strategy chart lists all the different plays contained in the hand,
to
help aid in identification.
7. You can have errors replayed during a session so you can be
re-tested on
the hands that you are having trouble with.
8. You can rearrange (tweak) the rankings in a strategy chart and then
analyze the chart for its return. Some do this so that they can learn
the
cost of a play, like always going for a royal.
9. You can define the payoffs for natural and wild hands independent of
each other.
10. There are two options for the tutoring function: "perfect play" if
you
want to learn every little penalty card situation and "strategy play" if
you
would like to learn a very good simplified strategy that gives you an EV
very close to the perfect one but does not include any complex
penalty-card
factors. You have a choice.
________________________________________
Jean $¢ott - http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
  for VP software and strategy cards.
  NEW - Blackjack Strategy Cards +
              Updated Second Edition of
             "The Frugal Gambler."

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#4

So long as Jean is giving a sales pitch for FVP, there will be new
software early next year with considerably more features to it than
either WinPoker or Frugal VP. More information will be coming

relatively

soon.

Bob Dancer

Not to be overly cynical, this is commonly known as "vaporware". Since
Winpoker 7.0 has been in the "soon to be released" category for a few
years now, one would expect a little more circumspection in the
announcement of future software release dates.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@c...> wrote:

#5

I would guess my winpoker software is about five years old. When I
buy the Frugal software is it necessary to update the winpoker? Anyone
have any thoughts?

Update it here. http://zamzone.com/

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#6

Forever Plaid: Fantastic work of art. Four guys with piano and bass and little amplification. Tickets about $30

Cortez Room dining: Better than Orleans Canal Street and prices lower

Gold Coast casino: My first walk through in about three years. Many banks of video poker have been replaced with slots and it was hard to find the few NSUD paytables. If this trend continues they better come out with a full pay version of "Reel'em In" or we'll all picket the place. A quick glance in the High Roller room revealed NSUD but up to only $2

Arizona Charlies East Yukon Grill: They have a new chef. He came out to ask folks how they liked the food. I was impressed with that. I complimented him of the flavor blending of the veggies served with my Kansas City steak. On the unofficial JT scale and chili heat temperature chart I'd rate Yukon Grill better than the Cortez Room.

JT reporting live and very remote. Back to you Mr Anonymous Administrator

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#7

Glad I was not the only member who thought it was a sales pitch.

So long as Jean is giving a sales pitch for FVP, there will be new
software early next year with considerably more features to it than
either WinPoker or Frugal VP.

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On

Behalf

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@c...> wrote:

-----Original Message-----
Of Jean Scott
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:13 PM
To: AA vpFREE Group
Cc: AA - Jim Wolf
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: VP Software question

If you buy Frugal VP, you will have a
tutor AND a strategy generator and many other functions. FVP is a
separate
software program than WinPoker.

#8

Yes, both are sales pitches. But, to me, as long as they are not too intense,
we all have benefited from the products that they have spawned.

.....bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "testpro" <testpro@y...> wrote:

Glad I was not the only member who thought it was a sales pitch.

#9

Just think. If I had a commericial signature and stuff to sell then I could be defensive and enter this fray also. I could post frequently if I needed to or not, just get that signature in the vpFREE list. As a matter of fact I do have stuff to sell but limit my sales to when I'm waiting for a hand pay. (If I'm waiting for a hand pay that's proof my stuff is good stuff huh?) I'll spread my books, software, videos all over my machine and your machine too. Don't complain about not being able to play your machine while my stuff is on it. You're making the wrong holds. I saw you make them. I'm saving you big bucks. Buy my stuff.

JT, the greatest name in all kinds of stuff for the advantage video poker player.

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#10

The original question asked about software upgrades. I merely posted an answer to that question to list some of the unique features of FVP that are not commonly known. I was polite and factually, not slamming any competing products. In fact, if you remember correctly, I said that a lot of people who have FVP still use WinPoker for the tutor function. Some people like the graphics of it better. Plus WinPoker came out a long time ago and when you have used one product for years you get used to it and may find it hard to switch to another product. So, therefore many people have both WinPoker and FVP and use both, depending on what function they need.

Competition is good. Bob Dancer has said that WinPoker is coming out next year with a new version of WinPoker. I'm sure it will be very good. Jim is working on an upgraded version of FVP too. I'm not a computer person, as everyone knows, so I am glad that there are experts who keep giving us more tools to improve our VP play.

I have never posted "unnecessarily" just so my signature block would appear. I post less now than when I did not have a Web site offering helpful gambling products. I'm too busy working on more helpful resources, including 4 more books - and yes, I know I said after Frugal 2 came out that bookwriting was too hard and I was never going to write another one. I just can't help myself!

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________________________________________
Jean $�ott - http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
  for VP software and strategy cards.
  NEW - Blackjack Strategy Cards +
              Updated Second Edition of
             "The Frugal Gambler."

#11

it > than either WinPoker or Frugal VP. More information will be
coming > relatively soon.

One feature I would like to see in the next generation of software
is a "help" or "link" button which will reference the specific rules
relative to the presently deal hand. For example a direct link to
the applicable rule in the Dancer's Winner's Guide for the specific
game hand hand. Reading and studing the Guides to learn every
penalty card rule is too much like work for me, so I usually
construct hands when a puzzling hand is deal to roughly derrive my
own penalty card criteria. However a direct link (such as Turbotax
does in specific tax areas) would be very helpful and streamline
learning.

Of course a voice recognition subprogram wereby I could say hold
the deuces rather than click the mouse would be derirable, but thats
probably beyond practical feasibility.

David

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@c...> wrote:

... software early next year with considerably more features to

#12

Jean said: "Bob Dancer has said that WinPoker is coming out next
year with a new version of WinPoker."

Not true. The new product I've hinted at will have nothing to do with
WinPoker. It will be financed by Action Gaming, using their programmers
and mathematicians, published by Huntington Press, and include realistic
Multi Strike and Spin Poker --- among many other features. Dean Zamzow
is aware that this is going to happen and is preparing for the "post
Dancer" WinPoker. Whether he upgrades WinPoker or not is up to him. When
this new software comes out, you'll be able to download --- for free ---
a version of it that will include, probably, Jacks or Better only but
with full analytical ability so you can get a good picture of what it is
all about before you pay money for it. We will probably sell the full
version for $39.90, simply because it tickles me that the software they
call "Frugal" is the most expensive.

When FVP first came out, I told Jean Scott that I would never trash FVP.
I would tell people that FVP is a good product but in my opinion,
WinPoker is better. When the new product comes out, I expect to follow
that same policy. So far as I know, Jean follows a similar policy.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

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#13

I have both Winpoker and FVP. The features of Winpoker allow me to adjust to
paytables that are offered in AC. I will most probably purchase the
mutigame. My reasoning is that I will eventually play hose games, and I
have NO intention of learning them at the casino.

A question for you Bob: Would you offer a discount for holders of Winpoker?

Ted

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-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
Bob Dancer
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 2:57 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: VP Software question

Jean said: "Bob Dancer has said that WinPoker is coming out next
year with a new version of WinPoker."

Not true. The new product I've hinted at will have nothing to do with
WinPoker. It will be financed by Action Gaming, using their programmers
and mathematicians, published by Huntington Press, and include realistic
Multi Strike and Spin Poker --- among many other features. Dean Zamzow
is aware that this is going to happen and is preparing for the "post
Dancer" WinPoker. Whether he upgrades WinPoker or not is up to him. When
this new software comes out, you'll be able to download --- for free ---
a version of it that will include, probably, Jacks or Better only but
with full analytical ability so you can get a good picture of what it is
all about before you pay money for it. We will probably sell the full
version for $39.90, simply because it tickles me that the software they
call "Frugal" is the most expensive.

When FVP first came out, I told Jean Scott that I would never trash FVP.
I would tell people that FVP is a good product but in my opinion,
WinPoker is better. When the new product comes out, I expect to follow
that same policy. So far as I know, Jean follows a similar policy.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

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