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Different games within the game on multi-game machines (CA Indian Casinos)

#1

Hi - Why are different games of VP selected within the game on multi-game machines. For example, if I'm playing DDB and ended my last hand with say, Ah Js 10d 6c 3d and switch to JoB (or any other game within this multi-game machine) I will see an entirely different hand displayed. Why isn't the same game sequence played for all games? Does this mean that perhaps the machine changes its payoffs for different games within the multi-game machine.

I've even noticed the same situation if I change only the bet from say $1 to $.50, i.e., the game sequence changes on the same machine with multi-game, multi-denom?

Comments please.

Thanks.

George B. 'Doc' Jump
Operations Manager
CyberWurks
www.cyberwurks.net
docjump@yahoo.com (emergency email)
A Division of DJ Systems, Inc.
28921 Aerie Road
Valley Center, CA 92082
760-749-2975 (office)
760-749-2954 (fax)
714-458-3573 (cell)

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#2

Not always true (at least WITHIN the same game, DIFFERENT Denomination).
However, with DIFFERENT Games, I think there is a different 'rng' computer chip that runs for that particular game. SOME even may be set for the different denominations.

It shouldn't affect the payouts, though, unless you suspect that it's rigged.

(I have my own suspicions about BARONA, but I have fared better at Viejas).

Valley View's are ok, too.

Martin

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Subject: [vpFREE_California] Different games within the game on multi-game machines (CA Indian Casinos)

Hi - Why are different games of VP selected within the game on multi-game machines. For example, if I'm playing DDB and ended my last hand with say, Ah Js 10d 6c 3d and switch to JoB (or any other game within this multi-game machine) I will see an entirely different hand displayed. Why isn't the same game sequence played for all games? Does this mean that perhaps the machine changes its payoffs for different games within the multi-game machine.

I've even noticed the same situation if I change only the bet from say $1 to $.50, i.e., the game sequence changes on the same machine with multi-game, multi-denom?

Comments please.

Thanks.

George B. 'Doc' Jump
Operations Manager
CyberWurks
www.cyberwurks.net
docjump@yahoo.com (emergency email)
A Division of DJ Systems, Inc.
28921 Aerie Road
Valley Center, CA 92082
760-749-2975 (office)
760-749-2954 (fax)
714-458-3573 (cell)

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#3

The machine will show the last hand played on that particular game. This weekend I went back to a multi that had been used by others since I left, but at my denomination and game it showed the last hand I played because no one else had played that denomination and game since me.

docjump <docjump@earthlink.net> wrote: Hi - Why are different games of VP selected within the game on multi-game machines. For example, if I'm playing DDB and ended my last hand with say, Ah Js 10d 6c 3d and switch to JoB (or any other game within this multi-game machine) I will see an entirely different hand displayed. Why isn't the same game sequence played for all games? Does this mean that perhaps the machine changes its payoffs for different games within the multi-game machine.

I've even noticed the same situation if I change only the bet from say $1 to $.50, i.e., the game sequence changes on the same machine with multi-game, multi-denom?

Comments please.

Thanks.

George B. 'Doc' Jump
Operations Manager
CyberWurks
www.cyberwurks.net
docjump@yahoo.com (emergency email)
A Division of DJ Systems, Inc.
28921 Aerie Road
Valley Center, CA 92082
760-749-2975 (office)
760-749-2954 (fax)
714-458-3573 (cell)

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#4

Yes, I guess that's my point. Why the difference. And yes, I know it's not true for all multi-games, but why have different RNG's per game much less per denomination? What's the advantage if any for the casino? And yes, I am suspicious of the Indian Casinos and their lack of independent oversight. The one's I found with the different game sequence multi-game/multi-denom, I believe were at Harrah's ( I only go there for the buffet and spend most of my time walking around looking for a full-pay game - if I gamble there at all it is for $.25 for amusement only - no pretense of expecting a winner with those lousy paytables, e.g., 6/5 BP and others). I may have also seen it at Valley View, but I'll have to double-check.

On a positive note, the Valley View triple-play multi-game/multi-denom that have Super Aces (three of them across from the cashier cage), maintain their full-pay AND game sequence through all denominations (for Super Aces).

Thanks for your input.

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  From: Moy Martin
  To: vpFREE_California@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:35 AM
  Subject: RE: [vpFREE_California] Different games within the game on multi-game machines (CA Indian Casinos)

  Not always true (at least WITHIN the same game, DIFFERENT Denomination).
  However, with DIFFERENT Games, I think there is a different 'rng' computer chip that runs for that particular game. SOME even may be set for the different denominations.

  It shouldn't affect the payouts, though, unless you suspect that it's rigged.

  (I have my own suspicions about BARONA, but I have fared better at Viejas).

  Valley View's are ok, too.

  Martin
  ________________________________

  From: vpFREE_California@yahoogroups.com on behalf of docjump
  Sent: Wed 3/1/2006 9:28 AM
  To: vpFREE_California@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [vpFREE_California] Different games within the game on multi-game machines (CA Indian Casinos)

  Hi - Why are different games of VP selected within the game on multi-game machines. For example, if I'm playing DDB and ended my last hand with say, Ah Js 10d 6c 3d and switch to JoB (or any other game within this multi-game machine) I will see an entirely different hand displayed. Why isn't the same game sequence played for all games? Does this mean that perhaps the machine changes its payoffs for different games within the multi-game machine.

  I've even noticed the same situation if I change only the bet from say $1 to $.50, i.e., the game sequence changes on the same machine with multi-game, multi-denom?

  Comments please.

  Thanks.

  George B. 'Doc' Jump
  Operations Manager
  CyberWurks
  www.cyberwurks.net
  docjump@yahoo.com (emergency email)
  A Division of DJ Systems, Inc.
  28921 Aerie Road
  Valley Center, CA 92082
  760-749-2975 (office)
  760-749-2954 (fax)
  714-458-3573 (cell)

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#5

Nothing to worry about. The VP machines in Nevada do the same thing,
and most people believe that we are getting a fair game in that
state. They simply remember the last hand played on that game. I have
come back to a machine the next day, and found my last hand played. I
much prefer this memory to the those machines that will display a
fake RF. No need to have a bunch of RNG's in a VP machine- one can
easily do the job, and also one Eprom chip can handle all the games.

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wrote:

Yes, I guess that's my point. Why the difference. And yes, I know

it's not true for all multi-games, but why have different RNG's per
game much less per denomination? What's the advantage if any for the
casino? And yes, I am suspicious of the Indian Casinos and their lack
of independent oversight. The one's I found with the different game
sequence multi-game/multi-denom, I believe were at Harrah's ( I only
go there for the buffet and spend most of my time walking around
looking for a full-pay game - if I gamble there at all it is for $.25
for amusement only - no pretense of expecting a winner with those
lousy paytables, e.g., 6/5 BP and others). I may have also seen it at
Valley View, but I'll have to double-check.

On a positive note, the Valley View triple-play multi-game/multi-

denom that have Super Aces (three of them across from the cashier
cage), maintain their full-pay AND game sequence through all
denominations (for Super Aces).

Thanks for your input.

  From: Moy Martin
  To: vpFREE_California@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:35 AM
  Subject: RE: [vpFREE_California] Different games within the game

on multi-game machines (CA Indian Casinos)

  Not always true (at least WITHIN the same game, DIFFERENT

Denomination).

  However, with DIFFERENT Games, I think there is a different 'rng'

computer chip that runs for that particular game. SOME even may be
set for the different denominations.

  It shouldn't affect the payouts, though, unless you suspect that

it's rigged.

  (I have my own suspicions about BARONA, but I have fared better

at Viejas).

  Valley View's are ok, too.

  Martin
  ________________________________

  From: vpFREE_California@yahoogroups.com on behalf of docjump
  Sent: Wed 3/1/2006 9:28 AM
  To: vpFREE_California@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [vpFREE_California] Different games within the game on

multi-game machines (CA Indian Casinos)

  Hi - Why are different games of VP selected within the game on

multi-game machines. For example, if I'm playing DDB and ended my
last hand with say, Ah Js 10d 6c 3d and switch to JoB (or any other
game within this multi-game machine) I will see an entirely different
hand displayed. Why isn't the same game sequence played for all
games? Does this mean that perhaps the machine changes its payoffs
for different games within the multi-game machine.

  I've even noticed the same situation if I change only the bet

from say $1 to $.50, i.e., the game sequence changes on the same
machine with multi-game, multi-denom?

  Comments please.

  Thanks.

  George B. 'Doc' Jump
  Operations Manager
  CyberWurks
  www.cyberwurks.net
  docjump@... (emergency email)
  A Division of DJ Systems, Inc.
  28921 Aerie Road
  Valley Center, CA 92082
  760-749-2975 (office)
  760-749-2954 (fax)
  714-458-3573 (cell)

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#6

The reason why there has to be a different RNG for different games is simple. Assume you switched from regular jacks to Jokers Wild - Jokers Wild has 53 cards, they have to use a different RNG and it is not just the RNG - it is probably separate circuit on the chips - in deuces wild notice that the word wild often comes out on the deuce, where in a regular game it would not. I have generally noticed that within the same type of game switiching the denom DOES NOT change the last hand played. That is assuming the pay schedules are the same.

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From: docjump <docjump@earthlink.net>
To: vpFREE_California@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:14:09 -0800
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_California] Different games within the game on multi-game machines (CA Indian Casinos)

Yes, I guess that's my point. Why the difference. And yes, I know it's not true
for all multi-games, but why have different RNG's per game much less per
denomination? What's the advantage if any for the casino? And yes, I am
suspicious of the Indian Casinos and their lack of independent oversight. The
one's I found with the different game sequence multi-game/multi-denom, I believe
were at Harrah's ( I only go there for the buffet and spend most of my time
walking around looking for a full-pay game - if I gamble there at all it is for
$.25 for amusement only - no pretense of expecting a winner with those lousy
paytables, e.g., 6/5 BP and others). I may have also seen it at Valley View, but
I'll have to double-check.

On a positive note, the Valley View triple-play multi-game/multi-denom that
have Super Aces (three of them across from the cashier cage), maintain their
full-pay AND game sequence through all denominations (for Super Aces).

Thanks for your input.

--- Original Message -----
  From: Moy Martin
  To: vpFREE_California@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:35 AM
  Subject: RE: [vpFREE_California] Different games within the game on multi-game
machines (CA Indian Casinos)

  Not always true (at least WITHIN the same game, DIFFERENT Denomination).
  However, with DIFFERENT Games, I think there is a different 'rng' computer
chip that runs for that particular game. SOME even may be set for the different
denominations.

  It shouldn't affect the payouts, though, unless you suspect that it's rigged.

  (I have my own suspicions about BARONA, but I have fared better at Viejas).

  Valley View's are ok, too.

  Martin
  ________________________________

  From: vpFREE_California@yahoogroups.com on behalf of docjump
  Sent: Wed 3/1/2006 9:28 AM
  To: vpFREE_California@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [vpFREE_California] Different games within the game on multi-game
machines (CA Indian Casinos)

  Hi - Why are different games of VP selected within the game on multi-game
machines. For example, if I'm playing DDB and ended my last hand with say, Ah Js
10d 6c 3d and switch to JoB (or any other game within this multi-game machine) I
will see an entirely different hand displayed. Why isn't the same game sequence
played for all games? Does this mean that perhaps the machine changes its
payoffs for different games within the multi-game machine.

  I've even noticed the same situation if I change only the bet from say $1 to
$.50, i.e., the game sequence changes on the same machine with multi-game,
multi-denom?

  Comments please.

  Thanks.

  George B. 'Doc' Jump
  Operations Manager
  CyberWurks
  www.cyberwurks.net
  docjump@yahoo.com (emergency email)
  A Division of DJ Systems, Inc.
  28921 Aerie Road
  Valley Center, CA 92082
  760-749-2975 (office)
  760-749-2954 (fax)
  714-458-3573 (cell)

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#7

Excuse me - I should have clarified; I was referring to only games of a 52 card deck, no wild games or other "different" games.

Thanks.

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  Subject: Re: [vpFREE_California] Different games within the game on multi-game machines (CA Indian Casinos)

  The reason why there has to be a different RNG for different games is simple. Assume you switched from regular jacks to Jokers Wild - Jokers Wild has 53 cards, they have to use a different RNG and it is not just the RNG - it is probably separate circuit on the chips - in deuces wild notice that the word wild often comes out on the deuce, where in a regular game it would not. I have generally noticed that within the same type of game switiching the denom DOES NOT change the last hand played. That is assuming the pay schedules are the same.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: docjump <docjump@earthlink.net>
  To: vpFREE_California@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:14:09 -0800
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE_California] Different games within the game on multi-game machines (CA Indian Casinos)

  Yes, I guess that's my point. Why the difference. And yes, I know it's not true
  for all multi-games, but why have different RNG's per game much less per
  denomination? What's the advantage if any for the casino? And yes, I am
  suspicious of the Indian Casinos and their lack of independent oversight. The
  one's I found with the different game sequence multi-game/multi-denom, I believe
  were at Harrah's ( I only go there for the buffet and spend most of my time
  walking around looking for a full-pay game - if I gamble there at all it is for
  $.25 for amusement only - no pretense of expecting a winner with those lousy
  paytables, e.g., 6/5 BP and others). I may have also seen it at Valley View, but
  I'll have to double-check.

  On a positive note, the Valley View triple-play multi-game/multi-denom that
  have Super Aces (three of them across from the cashier cage), maintain their
  full-pay AND game sequence through all denominations (for Super Aces).

  Thanks for your input.

  --- Original Message -----
    From: Moy Martin
    To: vpFREE_California@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:35 AM
    Subject: RE: [vpFREE_California] Different games within the game on multi-game
  machines (CA Indian Casinos)

    Not always true (at least WITHIN the same game, DIFFERENT Denomination).
    However, with DIFFERENT Games, I think there is a different 'rng' computer
  chip that runs for that particular game. SOME even may be set for the different
  denominations.

    It shouldn't affect the payouts, though, unless you suspect that it's rigged.

    (I have my own suspicions about BARONA, but I have fared better at Viejas).

    Valley View's are ok, too.

    Martin
    ________________________________

    From: vpFREE_California@yahoogroups.com on behalf of docjump
    Sent: Wed 3/1/2006 9:28 AM
    To: vpFREE_California@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [vpFREE_California] Different games within the game on multi-game
  machines (CA Indian Casinos)

    Hi - Why are different games of VP selected within the game on multi-game
  machines. For example, if I'm playing DDB and ended my last hand with say, Ah Js
  10d 6c 3d and switch to JoB (or any other game within this multi-game machine) I
  will see an entirely different hand displayed. Why isn't the same game sequence
  played for all games? Does this mean that perhaps the machine changes its
  payoffs for different games within the multi-game machine.

    I've even noticed the same situation if I change only the bet from say $1 to
  $.50, i.e., the game sequence changes on the same machine with multi-game,
  multi-denom?

    Comments please.

    Thanks.

    George B. 'Doc' Jump
    Operations Manager
    CyberWurks
    www.cyberwurks.net
    docjump@yahoo.com (emergency email)
    A Division of DJ Systems, Inc.
    28921 Aerie Road
    Valley Center, CA 92082
    760-749-2975 (office)
    760-749-2954 (fax)
    714-458-3573 (cell)

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