I know this maybe a little off topic, but does have to do with
advantage play. As many of you probably know the investment bonus slot
machine "Good Times" had a postive ER at 8x and above and at 12x was
140% ER. Altough recently I've heard some rumors that they changed the
program and brought the ER down. Does anybody have any definitive info
about this as I would hate to throw money away, if it was no longer
positive ER.
Did the "Good Times" Slot Machine Program Change?
I know this maybe a little off topic, but does have to do with
advantage play. As many of you probably know the investment bonus
slot
machine "Good Times" had a postive ER at 8x and above and at 12x
was
140% ER. Altough recently I've heard some rumors that they changed
the
program and brought the ER down. Does anybody have any definitive
info
about this as I would hate to throw money away, if it was no longer
positive ER.
I made good money on the quarter Good Times in downtown Las Vegas. I
kept stats but eventually threw them out. I believe if a machine is
rechipped they have to give it a different machine number. So I
always wrote the numbers down just in case. Take a look and see if
the machine number is out of sync with the rest of the machines in
the bank.
There were places I wouldn't play Good Times, like Harrah's, because
of their reputation for low payback.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tigerdragonfly7" <gotpal@...> wrote:
>
> I know this maybe a little off topic, but does have to do with
> advantage play. As many of you probably know the investment
bonus
slot
> machine "Good Times" had a postive ER at 8x and above and at 12x
was
> 140% ER. Altough recently I've heard some rumors that they
changed
the
> program and brought the ER down. Does anybody have any
definitive
info
> about this as I would hate to throw money away, if it was no
longer
> positive ER.
>
I made good money on the quarter Good Times in downtown Las Vegas.
I
kept stats but eventually threw them out. I believe if a machine
is
rechipped they have to give it a different machine number. So I
always wrote the numbers down just in case. Take a look and see if
the machine number is out of sync with the rest of the machines in
the bank.There were places I wouldn't play Good Times, like Harrah's,
because
of their reputation for low payback.
Is it possible to call IGT and ask them or ask the casino?
Are there any gaming regluations that require them to disclose such
information?
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tigerdragonfly7" <gotpal@> wrote:
>
> >
> > I know this maybe a little off topic, but does have to do with
> > advantage play. As many of you probably know the investment
bonus
> slot
> > machine "Good Times" had a postive ER at 8x and above and at
12x
> was
> > 140% ER. Altough recently I've heard some rumors that they
changed
> the
> > program and brought the ER down. Does anybody have any
definitive
> info
> > about this as I would hate to throw money away, if it was no
longer
> > positive ER.
> >
> I made good money on the quarter Good Times in downtown Las
Vegas.
I
> kept stats but eventually threw them out. I believe if a machine
is
> rechipped they have to give it a different machine number. So I
> always wrote the numbers down just in case. Take a look and see
if
> the machine number is out of sync with the rest of the machines
in
> the bank.
>
> There were places I wouldn't play Good Times, like Harrah's,
because
> of their reputation for low payback.
>
Is it possible to call IGT and ask them or ask the casino?Are there any gaming regluations that require them to disclose such
information?
Who did you hear the rumors from? It could be a hustler's trick to
get you to lay off the machines.
Another thing about machine hustlers is when they get hit for a few
losing plays they complain that the machine got rechipped. They have
no rhyme or reason for it. They just do it out of sour grapes.
IGT offers each casino a range of chips from the high eighties to the
high nineties. It's up to the casino which one they want. I think
they have to pay Gaming $500 in order to rechip a machine.
But, like I said, if the machine got rechipped it will have a
different machine number on it.
The house makes good money on those machines even though you are
exploiting a short term positive situation. It's probably just
rumors that they got rechipped and nothing more.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tigerdragonfly7" <gotpal@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tigerdragonfly7" <gotpal@> wrote:
IGT offers each casino a range of chips from the high eighties to the
high nineties. It's up to the casino which one they want. I think
they have to pay Gaming $500 in order to rechip a machine.
I wasn't aware that there was several different "Good Times" chips.
Were they all positive at 8x?
> IGT offers each casino a range of chips from the high eighties to
the
> high nineties. It's up to the casino which one they want. I think
> they have to pay Gaming $500 in order to rechip a machine.I wasn't aware that there was several different "Good Times" chips.
Were they all positive at 8x?
For every type of slot, the manufacturers offer several different
paybacks. It's up to the casino to choose which one they want. But
it's a big hassle to rechip a machine. They have to notify Gaming and
pay an application fee. And I think a Gaming Agent has to be present
at the changing of the chip. The machiine has to be given a new
machine number which identifies the chip to Gaming. I would see no
reason why they would rechip these machines as they make money on them
overall.
The thing you have to do is track your play to see if you are making
money.
The Good Times machines were hard to figure out. You take so many
plays where you are just a slight winnner, or around breakeven, and you
take alot of losing plays. Then you make a big hit. So it's a
bankroll play where you don't get paid every day but make money in the
long run. The slot itself is an IGT ripoff of the Williams slot called
X-Factor.
This goes back to about 2000 but I had a friend who was telling me he
had a friend who was begging him to stay out of Bally's. I asked him
what his friend was playing and he said he was playing the Good Times.
He also told me his friend had run his bankroll from $5000 up to
$20,000 playing them. That was the clincher for me.
Downtown, they had the GT's in Fremont, California, and Main Street.
For three weeks I walked back and forth between those clubs doing 15 to
20 plays a day. I made $5000+.
But a couple of things happened. I caught a guilt by association at
the California and some of the machines were removed from the other
clubs.
The only place that had the GT's that I wouldn't play was Harrah's
Reno. Simply because I don't trust Harrah's.
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