According to today's Stiffs & Georges, he quotes Boyd as saying that the players who were 86ed for using the 10X coupons had been previously warned not to use multipliers in that manner. Are there any 86ees here willing to comment on that? I'd like to know the whole scoop.
Did Suncoast warn the players before 86ing them?
My friend did not receive any such warning. Can't speak for other
players of course.
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On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 2:27 PM, bobbartop <bobbartop@yahoo.com> wrote:
According to today's Stiffs & Georges, he quotes Boyd as saying that the
players who were 86ed for using the 10X coupons had been previously
warned not to use multipliers in that manner. Are there any 86ees here
willing to comment on that? I'd like to know the whole scoop.
Good clarification. I see nothing wrong with walking out any player who gets caught trying to work or stretch the system. Makes it harder for the rest of us who obey the rules and warnings.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bobbartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:
According to today's Stiffs & Georges, he quotes Boyd as saying that the players who were 86ed for using the 10X coupons had been previously warned not to use multipliers in that manner. Are there any 86ees here willing to comment on that? I'd like to know the whole scoop.
If anyone believes Boyd is being truthfull here, well, I have some property a few miles east of Miami you might be interested in.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bobbartop" <bobbartop@> wrote:
>
> According to today's Stiffs & Georges, he quotes Boyd as saying >that the players who were 86ed for using the 10X coupons had been >previously warned not to use multipliers in that manner.
I agree. It does make it harder for the rest of you to stretch or work the system.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "archiecoons" <archiecoons@...> wrote:
Good clarification. I see nothing wrong with walking out any player >who gets caught trying to work or stretch the system. Makes it harder >for the rest of us....
Based on the several cases I am personally familiar with, that is
complete bullshit.
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On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 2:27 PM, bobbartop <bobbartop@yahoo.com> wrote:
According to today's Stiffs & Georges, he quotes Boyd as saying that the players
who were 86ed for using the 10X coupons had been previously warned not to use
multipliers in that manner. Are there any 86ees here willing to comment on that?
Most of us don't need to believe we're outsmarting casinos or manipulating anything just to have a good time playing. I personally don't enjoy hearing others telling us that they do this deed, then come crying to us when something goes wrong.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "archiecoons" <archiecoons@> wrote:
>
> Good clarification. I see nothing wrong with walking out any player >who gets caught trying to work or stretch the system. Makes it harder >for the rest of us....
>
>
I agree. It does make it harder for the rest of you to stretch or work the system.
From a reliable source:
"A total, complete, 100% LIE! No warning of any kind was given!
We are not stupid. If we were warned, we would not have used the damn coupon! "
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Jean $�ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/
May we have the reliable source?
I say this because on more than a dozen occasions I've read people say they tried to slip this or that by the boothlings or whoever, and sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. I don't think a warning would stop most such people.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:
From a reliable source:
"A total, complete, 100% LIE! No warning of any kind was given!
We are not stupid. If we were warned, we would not have used the damn
coupon! "
________________
Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/
<<May we have the reliable source? >>
No!
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Jean $�ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/
Good response Your Majesty. Made me laugh 
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:
<<May we have the reliable source? >>
No!
________________
Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/
Good response Your Majesty. Made me laugh
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:
<<May we have the reliable source? >>
No!
________________
Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/
Jean Scott IS a reliable source. Archie, I apologize for accusing you of working the system, i.e., being an advantage player. I don't know what your iron in this fire is. What's happened at Suncoast won't hurt you a bit. It's just going to make lots of elbow room for you to play your 97% machines.
On the 10/10/10 promotion they started throwing players out 2 hours into it. I don't know about you but I have never been able to "pound" a play in just two hours. They think they have a great gimmick....Put out a 10X then immediately throw out the stronger players while keeping the suckers around. The whole thing is obviously premeditated.
It's starting to get media attention and now they are trying to cover their tracks with lies. We've all seen this movie before. Trust me, none of the 86'd players had been warned. The high caliber, and very experienced, players involved are too smart to go in after a warning. Even the less intelligent know about eyes in the skies, and computer triggers.
What about the guy in the one post that was told to stop playing for the day. Later he called the slot club to find out what the problem was. The slot club person told him he had been 86'd. Think about it. What if he hadn't made that phone call? What if he innocently went back to Suncoast on a later date. What do you think would have happened to him? He would have been arrested for trespassing.
Here's a surefire way to expose the Suncoast. Send in someone who has never had a card there. They should go on Wednesday, 10X day. They should go get a slot card, then hand them the 10X coupon. Then go sit on the $5 Bonus Deluxe.
I can hear it now....
"What do you mean I've been 86'd? What do you mean you mean I've been warned, I've never been here before!"
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "archiecoons" <archiecoons@...> wrote:
May we have the reliable source?
I say this because on more than a dozen occasions I've read people >say they tried to slip this or that by the boothlings or whoever, and >sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. I don't think a warning >would stop most such people.
this doesn't pass the sniff test. maybe we could believe that one or
two people received warnings and then were dumb enough to show up and
try the exact same thing, but surely not the flood of stories we're
seeing.
it also doesn't match the experience of the one person i know who was
86'd on a coupon day, who had never before been warned about anything
at suncoast.
best wishes,
five
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On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 2:27 PM, bobbartop <bobbartop@yahoo.com> wrote:
According to today's Stiffs & Georges, he quotes Boyd as saying that the players who were 86ed for using the 10X coupons had been previously warned not to use multipliers in that manner.
No I'm just a regular Joe type of player, and I'm chiming in because this is a board of discussions which is why I just joined, and I just don't believe players should step on or over the line and then complain about it when caught.
Jean S. says there's a reliable source that told her something, then she won't say who or what that was, and then you say SHE is a reliable source. Maybe so, but she is not the one in this instance. I guess anybody can claim as much on anything. But actually knowing the source would make a questionable claim more credible, don't you think?
I would probably never get involved in such a promotion because I only make around 4 trips a year to Las V, and truthfully, I've never really even heard of the SunCoast. Where exactly is it?
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "archiecoons" <archiecoons@> wrote:
>
> May we have the reliable source?
>
> I say this because on more than a dozen occasions I've read people >say they tried to slip this or that by the boothlings or whoever, and >sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. I don't think a warning >would stop most such people.
>
>
Jean Scott IS a reliable source. Archie, I apologize for accusing you of working the system, i.e., being an advantage player. I don't know what your iron in this fire is. What's happened at Suncoast won't hurt you a bit. It's just going to make lots of elbow room for you to play your 97% machines.On the 10/10/10 promotion they started throwing players out 2 hours into it. I don't know about you but I have never been able to "pound" a play in just two hours. They think they have a great gimmick....Put out a 10X then immediately throw out the stronger players while keeping the suckers around. The whole thing is obviously premeditated.
It's starting to get media attention and now they are trying to cover their tracks with lies. We've all seen this movie before. Trust me, none of the 86'd players had been warned. The high caliber, and very experienced, players involved are too smart to go in after a warning. Even the less intelligent know about eyes in the skies, and computer triggers.
What about the guy in the one post that was told to stop playing for the day. Later he called the slot club to find out what the problem was. The slot club person told him he had been 86'd. Think about it. What if he hadn't made that phone call? What if he innocently went back to Suncoast on a later date. What do you think would have happened to him? He would have been arrested for trespassing.
Here's a surefire way to expose the Suncoast. Send in someone who has never had a card there. They should go on Wednesday, 10X day. They should go get a slot card, then hand them the 10X coupon. Then go sit on the $5 Bonus Deluxe.
I can hear it now....
"What do you mean I've been 86'd? What do you mean you mean I've been warned, I've never been here before!"
I mostly agree with you that "players shouldn't step on or over the line and then complain about it when caught," but you have no reason to believe that anyone did this at the Suncoast. "Trying to cover their tracks with lies" is a great description for what they did with me in a different situation. The reliability of Jean's source doesn't matter very much when so many people say the same thing. If the Suncoast wanted to limit or restrict the use of their coupons, why didn't they?
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----- archiecoons <archiecoons@yahoo.com> wrote:
No I'm just a regular Joe type of player, and I'm chiming in because this is a board of discussions which is why I just joined, and I just don't believe players should step on or over the line and then complain about it when caught.
Jean S. says there's a reliable source that told her something, then she won't say who or what that was, and then you say SHE is a reliable source. Maybe so, but she is not the one in this instance. I guess anybody can claim as much on anything. But actually knowing the source would make a questionable claim more credible, don't you think?
I would probably never get involved in such a promotion because I only make around 4 trips a year to Las V, and truthfully, I've never really even heard of the SunCoast. Where exactly is it?
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given the behavior we're seeing from suncoast towards people they
believe are undesirable customers, you should find it understandable
why people are reluctant to stand up and identify themselves to the
public (including other casinos) as someone who suncoast thinks is an
undesirable customer.
if there were something tangible to be gained, like a complaint to
Gaming that might produce results, i expect people would be willing to
step up. (tom robertson has already done so with his lawsuit against
suncoast on a separate but related issue.) but being slightly more
persuasive to "archiecoons" on a message board is not a substantial
gain.
i believe the secondhand stories with similar details that we're
hearing from players (via several long-term posters, including jean
scott) are already more credible than the statement we're getting from
boyd. you're free to disagree, but "you haven't identified the source"
isn't a reasonable basis for that disagreement.
best wishes,
five
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On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 8:37 PM, archiecoons <archiecoons@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jean S. says there's a reliable source that told her something, then she won't say who or what that was, and then you say SHE is a reliable source. Maybe so, but she is not the one in this instance. I guess anybody can claim as much on anything. But actually knowing the source would make a questionable claim more credible, don't you think?
Tom that's a good question. I noticed there's over 10,000 members here and I'll bet we have a good representation from the Las Vegas area. Instead of all this assuming, suppositions, guessing, and the unnamed/unknown reliable source claim, why doesn't someone just go over and ask so we might be afforded at least some kind of information right from the horse?
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Tom Robertson <007@...> wrote:
If the Suncoast wanted to limit or restrict the use of their coupons, why didn't they?
I just don't believe players should step on or over the line and >then complain about it when caught.
What line was crossed by the players? Suncoast made a public offer through the LVRJ. Players took the Suncoast up on the offer. There were no restrictions on the offer. Suncoast refused to honor the offer that THEY made. And added insult to injury by barring players.
What were the players caught doing? Taking the Suncoast up on their offer? If you don't want me to take you up on an offer like that then don't make the offer.
Jean S. says there's a reliable source that told her something, >then she won't say who or what that was, and then you say SHE is a >reliable source. Maybe so, but she is not the one in this instance. >I guess anybody can claim as much on anything. But actually knowing >the source would make a questionable claim more credible, don't you >think?
Jean has been around for a long time. She's high profile in the video poker world. She's always been a player's advocate. Those of us with the knowledge and experience trust in her integrity. It's obvious she doesn't have permission to divulge the persons name. Divulging the persons name could make he/she a target. You are either a neophyte in the gambling world, or--
Archie-if that's your REAL name-you definitely have the mindset that playing a legal edge is cheating. Don't know where the Suncoast is, huh? Need to know the name of the person Jean quoted, eh? Where in the casino industry do you work, Archie?
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "archiecoons" <archiecoons@...> wrote:
I just don't believe players should step on or over the line and then
complain about it when caught.
I agree with you, but that bears no resemblance to what happened here.
Suncoast printed coupons in an insert that went out in the Las Vegas
Review-Journal. Note that the LVRJ claims a circulation of 167,000
thousand: http://www.lvrj.com/about/work.html
And not just one coupon, five coupons, one good each week in March.
The coupon says "Present this coupon to the B Connected Club at the
Suncoast Hotel & Casino prior to playing and earn 10X Points on Slot or
Vidoe Poker play for one day." Nowhere on the coupon does it say "...
but please don't play certain games" or "... but please don't play more
than X number of base points."
The players who were barred had presented the coupon, and then played
video poker. Please explain how that constitutes stepping on or over
any line?
I would probably never get involved in such a promotion because I only
make around 4 trips a year to Las V, and truthfully, I've never really
even heard of the SunCoast. Where exactly is it?
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=suncoast
Instead of all this assuming, suppositions, guessing, and the
unnamed/unknown reliable source claim,
You're the one repeatedly insinuating that the players involved did
something unethical or immoral. What's your source for this accusation?
It is certainly every individual's right to choose whether they wish to
give more credence to a report from a longtime widely-known member of
the video poker community or someone who created his Yahoo profile 24
hours ago.
why doesn't someone just go over and ask so we might be afforded at
least some kind of information right from the horse?
Casinos don't usually seem too forthcoming with this sort of information,
but if you want to try, feel free to get the phone number from their
web site and report back to us.
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On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 8:37 PM, archiecoons <archiecoons@yahoo.com> wrote: