Hello Gang...Some of you may remember me from my past Starhunter Surprise Trip reports....Well Im back and promise to post a most interesting report upon my return from LV.....However I wanted to report than with 5 minutes of my arrival at Fitzgeralds I was stopped and detained by Security for suspicious behavior.....My crime...checking out the payscale on 1 Video Poker Machine!.....First the security guard demanded me to show her ID...When asked why she said I looked familiar and my behavior was suspicuous...She then said since this was private property I must show her ID upon demand...I refused....When asked what I did wrong....She said I was going up to a number of machines and hitting their buttons without putting in money....I tell her thats not true....A security supervisor now shows up says he has
to believe the guards story.... I ask the security guard how many machines she saw me touching and because now her boss there she changes her story and says only one....I said since I havent been to the Fitz since last year I checked out the payscale on one machine to see what it currently was and didnt hit any buttons..... upon further questioning by me she then said maybe she was wrong and I didnt hit any buttons....Meanwhile the supervisor goes into a long drawn out story on how he stops and questions hundreds of people for hitting the buttons on the machines and these people dont mind being questioned..and then he goes into a longer story on how tough a job he has! I finally get a lukewarm apology from both guards...But I tell him Im now a bit paranoid even playing in the casino...what little thing are they going to stop me for again?....The supervisor says everyones entitled to a mistake....but in his/her case this number may be larger than the Chinese army.....Bottom line....A complaint letter goes out to Fitz Vice Prez Luke Darley....I cut my stay short and keep an o-so-low profile for the rest of my stay.....Questions to the VP community.....Many of you have gone on VP hunting trips checking out paytables in casinos...Have you ever heard of someone getting stopped and questioned/detained happening?....Also is it true in Las Vegas that you must show ID upon demand by casino security...Thanks for your response
Detained/Questioned at LV Fitzgeralds for Checking Out VP Pay Schedule
Questions to the VP community.....Many of you have gone on VP hunting
trips checking out paytables in casinos...Have you ever heard of
someone getting stopped and questioned/detained happening?....Also is
it true in Las Vegas that you must show ID upon demand by casino
security...Thanks for your response
Hello Starhunter:
I am the casino monitor for Fremont and I've never stayed there. I
usually get up early one day and wander through and check the listed
inventory and try to check out machines in new locations. One
morning, I had two uniformed security guards eyeing me, so I went
over and told them I was looking for a game called All American
Poker, and that I was sure I played it in this casino! They said
they'd never heard of it, but left me alone to do my button pushing.
As for showing ID, I personally would never argue with security
guards, especially downtown where they are often armed, whether or
not they have a right to ask me for it or not. I might ask them in an
extremely friendly manner whether or not I'd done anything wrong. I'd
imagine since they have the right to trespass me, they have the right
to ask for my identification. I can't see that I would have anything
to gain by refusing.
Drew
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpstarhunter" <starhunter@...> wrote:
By refusing to show ID, you could gain anonymity. Of course,
anonymity in a casino is not important to most of us. But, it
could be important to someone.
Personally, I am constantly pushing buttons on VP machines,
looking at the pay tables all over the casino. I have never been
approached by anyone (security or otherwise) for doing so.
And, if I was being observed, I was unaware of it every time.
Why would a casino care if someone was walking around
pushing buttons and not playing? Is there some reason why
I should curtail my poking around from now on? I certainly don't
want a confrontation!
···
On 6/19/07, Drew Sterling <vpdeuces@yahoo.com> wrote:
<SNIP>I'd imagine since they have the right to trespass me, they
have the right to ask for my identification. I can't see that I would
have anything to gain by refusing.Drew
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I have never been detained, but I have had a security guard approach me
once after I did the same. He told me that they had problems with
people snatching credits out of machines and I just assumed at the time
that maybe my behavior was suspicious as I pressed buttons checking
paytables on a few machines scattered across the casino floor late one
night. I told him I was staying at the casino and even had my player's
card and money in my hand ready to play, so he didn't bother me
anymore. Personally, I feel a little on the safer side that they look
out for suspicious behavior and since I have no reason to be concerned,
it didn't bother me at all.
Surprise Trip reports....Well Im back and promise to post a most
interesting report upon my return from LV.....However I wanted to
report than with 5 minutes of my arrival at Fitzgeralds I was stopped
and detained by Security for suspicious behavior.....Have you ever
heard of someone getting stopped and questioned/detained
happening?....Also is it true in Las Vegas that you must show ID upon
demand by casino security...Thanks for your response
Casino security staff have no right to force patrons to show ID. If
you refuse, they have a legal right to eject you from the premises.
If a casino security officer asks to "speak to you in private"
immediately head for the nearest exit. If they try to physically
restrain you, inform them that you are attempting to leave the
premises and they are kidnapping you. If they continue to detain you
against your will, do not physically resist as they can then try to
pin a bogus "disorderly conduct" charge on you. Try to remain calm
and mentally note details on all staff involved with your involuntary
detention...you'll need this for your future civil suit. 
I would advise ALL knowledgeable players to read this book:
http://tinyurl.com/yocfuo
I also advise ALL knowledgeable players to program this number in
his/her cell phone: (702) 385-5454. The number is for Bob Nersesian,
an attorney who has represented numerous skilled players in cases
against casinos. Don't think that just because you aren't cheating,
or breaking any laws, that you can't be detained against your will.
Ask any skilled BJ player that's been around for a while and I'm sure
you'll get some enlightening responses about how casino management
handles players who they perceive to be a threat to their bottom
line.
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpstarhunter" <starhunter@...> wrote:
Hello Gang...Some of you may remember me from my past Starhunter
GREAT post with extremely important information! All knowledgeable
VP players would be wise to pay close attention to hockeystl's
informed advice!
Thanks, Hockey!
~Babe~
···
=================================================
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hockeystl" <vegasstl@...> wrote:
......If a casino security officer asks to "speak to you in private"
immediately head for the nearest exit. If they try to physically
restrain you, inform them that you are attempting to leave the
premises and they are kidnapping you. If they continue to detain
you against your will, do not physically resist as they can then try
to pin a bogus "disorderly conduct" charge on you. Try to remain
calm and mentally note details on all staff involved with your
involuntary detention...you'll need this for your future civil
suit.
I would advise ALL knowledgeable players to read this book:
http://tinyurl.com/yocfuo
I also advise ALL knowledgeable players to program this number in
his/her cell phone: (702) 385-5454. The number is for Bob
Nersesian, n attorney who has represented numerous skilled players
in cases against casinos........................
Also is it true in Las Vegas that you must show ID upon demand by
casino security...Thanks for your response
No, this is definitely NOT true, although it is probably a widely held
belief by casino security guards. Nor is there any requirement that
you even have an ID on your person while in a casino. (As someone once
posted on BJ21... This is not Nazi Germany - we aren't required to
carry "papers" with us.)
If you look like you might be under 21, the security guards have a
reasonable cause to ask to see your ID. Otherwise, there is really no
reason that they need to ask for your ID.
EE
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpstarhunter" <starhunter@...> wrote:
If you don't show ID you can be considered an enemy combatant and sent
to Gitmo, even if you have a Spanish surname and look like a day-laborer.
http://gaming.nv.gov/documents/pdf/industry_ltr_131.pdf
"At its meeting on September 21, 2006, the Nevada Gaming Commission
(the "Commission") repealed NGC Regulation 6A, "Cash Transactions
Prohibitions, Reporting, and Recordkeeping" in its entirety, effective
at 11:59 p.m. on June 30, 2007. The repeal was part of the process of
terminating Nevada's exemption from federal Bank Secrecy Act
regulations with the U.S. Department of Treasury. This will result in
Nevada casinos no longer being exempted from the provisions of the
Bank Secrecy Act and Title 31 C.F.R. Part 103. ... Questions regarding
the federal reporting requirements should be directed to U.S.
Department of Treasury's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network
("FinCEN"). Information regarding money laundering concerns, financial
crimes, currency transaction reporting, suspicious activity reporting
and BSA regulations may be found at FinCEN's website, www.fincen.gov."
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "eecounter" <eecounter@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpstarhunter" <starhunter@> wrote:
>
Also is it true in Las Vegas that you must show ID upon demand by
casino security...Thanks for your response
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No, this is definitely NOT true, although it is probably a widely held
belief by casino security guards. Nor is there any requirement that
you even have an ID on your person while in a casino. (As someone once
posted on BJ21... This is not Nazi Germany - we aren't required to
carry "papers" with us.)If you look like you might be under 21, the security guards have a
reasonable cause to ask to see your ID. Otherwise, there is really no
reason that they need to ask for your ID.EE
http://www.fincen.gov/casinosarfinalrule.pdf
"If a casino is unable to identify a suspect on the date the
suspicious transaction is initially detected, the rule provides the
casino with an additional 30 calendar days to identify the suspect
before filing a SARC, but the suspicious transaction must be reported
within 60 calendar days after the date of initial detection of the
suspicious transaction, whether or not the casino is able to identify
a suspect. Commenters requested clarification on the extent to which a
casino must attempt to obtain customer identification for purposes of
completing a SARC. Commenters argued that casinos often deal with
customers with whom they are not familiar. The final rule does not
require a casino to alter its relationship with its customers in a way
that is inconsistent with industry practice. As a result, FinCEN
anticipates receiving a certain number of SARCs that do not contain
detailed customer identifying information. However, casinos must
ensure that their BSA compliance programs include procedures for using
all available information to determine and verify a customer's
identification for purposes of satisfying a casino's reporting and
recordkeeping requirements under the BSA."
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
If you don't show ID you can be considered an enemy combatant and sent
to Gitmo, even if you have a Spanish surname and look like a
day-laborer.
http://gaming.nv.gov/documents/pdf/industry_ltr_131.pdf
"At its meeting on September 21, 2006, the Nevada Gaming Commission
(the "Commission") repealed NGC Regulation 6A, "Cash Transactions
Prohibitions, Reporting, and Recordkeeping" in its entirety, effective
at 11:59 p.m. on June 30, 2007. The repeal was part of the process of
terminating Nevada's exemption from federal Bank Secrecy Act
regulations with the U.S. Department of Treasury. This will result in
Nevada casinos no longer being exempted from the provisions of the
Bank Secrecy Act and Title 31 C.F.R. Part 103. ... Questions regarding
the federal reporting requirements should be directed to U.S.
Department of Treasury's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network
("FinCEN"). Information regarding money laundering concerns, financial
crimes, currency transaction reporting, suspicious activity reporting
and BSA regulations may be found at FinCEN's website, www.fincen.gov.">
> >
> Also is it true in Las Vegas that you must show ID upon demand by
> casino security...Thanks for your response
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> No, this is definitely NOT true, although it is probably a widely
held
> belief by casino security guards. Nor is there any requirement that
> you even have an ID on your person while in a casino. (As someone
once
> posted on BJ21... This is not Nazi Germany - we aren't required to
> carry "papers" with us.)
>
> If you look like you might be under 21, the security guards have a
> reasonable cause to ask to see your ID. Otherwise, there is
really no
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "eecounter" <eecounter@> wrote:
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpstarhunter" <starhunter@> wrote:
> reason that they need to ask for your ID.
>
> EE
>
This same thing happened to be back October I think it was last year.
Happened at California Club. I was on my way to MSS and checked out
two or three machines for paytables. Good Grief, you have to change
the game to see the paytable and there is no other way to do it other
than "pressing buttons without putting money in!"
Same story. However no reason was given until they had talked back
and forth on their two-ways for 10 minutes. And, they had me blocked
right at the top of the escalator as I was LEAVING! After all was
said and done, they said I "looked suspicious" in the way I was
checking out the games. No apology or any indication that they had
unnecessarily harassed me. I haven't put a nickel in a machine or
played BJ there since. And "yes", I've been backed off from BJ tables
before though never at MSS or Calif Club.
I sent an eMail to the address at their website but never got a
response from them.
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Drew Sterling" <vpdeuces@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpstarhunter" <starhunter@> wrote:
>
Questions to the VP community.....Many of you have gone on VP hunting
trips checking out paytables in casinos...Have you ever heard of
someone getting stopped and questioned/detained happening?....Also is
it true in Las Vegas that you must show ID upon demand by casino
security...Thanks for your response
>Hello Starhunter:
I am the casino monitor for Fremont and I've never stayed there. I
usually get up early one day and wander through and check the listed
inventory and try to check out machines in new locations. One
morning, I had two uniformed security guards eyeing me, so I went
over and told them I was looking for a game called All American
Poker, and that I was sure I played it in this casino! They said
they'd never heard of it, but left me alone to do my button pushing.As for showing ID, I personally would never argue with security
guards, especially downtown where they are often armed, whether or
not they have a right to ask me for it or not. I might ask them in an
extremely friendly manner whether or not I'd done anything wrong. I'd
imagine since they have the right to trespass me, they have the right
to ask for my identification. I can't see that I would have anything
to gain by refusing.Drew
Now I have yet to read the other replies. But...at a minimum, this
is a great story. This is a time here in Las Vegas that some tourist
market share is up for grabs. Yet, not one operator seems to want to
take it. Well, in a few years, what is essentially Walmart Las Vegas
will be on Las Vegas Blvd near downtown. And they will gladly take
on all players that can accept 99% VP. Alas, no slot club. But the
tourists will love it.
Hello Gang...Some of you may remember me from my past Starhunter
Surprise Trip reports....Well Im back and promise to post a most
interesting report upon my return from LV.....However I wanted to
report than with 5 minutes of my arrival at Fitzgeralds I was
stopped and detained by Security for suspicious behavior.....My
crime...checking out the payscale on 1 Video Poker
Machine!.....First the security guard demanded me to show her
ID...When asked why she said I looked familiar and my behavior was
suspicuous...She then said since this was private property I must
show her ID upon demand...I refused....When asked what I did
wrong....She said I was going up to a number of machines and hitting
their buttons without putting in money....I tell her thats not
true....A security supervisor now shows up says he has
to believe the guards story.... I ask the security guard how many
machines she saw me touching and because now her boss there she
changes her story and says only one....I said since I havent been to
the Fitz since last year I checked out the payscale on one machine
to see what it currently was and didnt hit any buttons..... upon
further questioning by me she then said maybe she was wrong and I
didnt hit any buttons....Meanwhile the supervisor goes into a long
drawn out story on how he stops and questions hundreds of people for
hitting the buttons on the machines and these people dont mind being
questioned..and then he goes into a longer story on how tough a job
he has! I finally get a lukewarm apology from both guards...But I
tell him Im now a bit paranoid even playing in the casino...what
little thing are they going to stop me for again?....The supervisor
says everyones entitled to a mistake....but in his/her case this
number may be larger than the Chinese army.....Bottom line....A
complaint letter goes out to Fitz Vice Prez Luke Darley....I cut my
stay short and keep an o-so-low profile for the rest of my
stay.....Questions to the VP community.....Many of you have gone on
VP hunting trips checking out paytables in casinos...Have you ever
heard of someone getting stopped and questioned/detained
happening?....Also is it true in Las Vegas that you must show ID
upon demand by casino security...Thanks for your response
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpstarhunter" <starhunter@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
"If a casino is unable to identify a suspect on the date the
suspicious transaction is initially detected, the rule provides the
casino with an additional 30 calendar days to identify the suspect
before filing a SARC..............
All of this quoted material pertains to government reporting
requirements for large cash transactions, under the pretext of
preventing money laundering. And in these situations, it will be
someone like the cage cashier asking you for your ID, not a security
guard who is randomly harassing people on the casino floor.
The act of checking pay tables on video poker games has nothing to do
with the "suspicious activity reports" related to large cash
transactions.
EE
Okay, we are finally gonna do it. We will be in Vegas for the 4th this year - in spite of the crowds, heat, and the fact that we have a waterfront place on Lake Pend Oreille in Idaho. of course, it will be 85 degrees this year on the 4th - it usually rains sideways!
The wife really wants to see the fireworks. There will be plenty of fireworks if i haul her away from the lake and she doesn't see any fireworks - if you catch my drift!
Where? When? How? Don't know the best place to watch, but thought about the Voodoo Lounge? Are they gonna be Wednesday? time?
We could just lay on a bus bench for most of the evening and look up - but the way I dress i might get carted off to jail.
Thanks!
Royals to all who respond....(-;
Jigger W.
"I married my wife for her looks...
but not the ones she's been giving me lately! "
"Everyone has a photographic memory, some just don't have film."
"If carrots are so good for the eyes, how come
I see so many dead rabbits on the highway?"
"My mind not only wanders, sometimes it leaves completely."
"I finally got my head together, and my body fell apart."
"I started out with nothing & still have most
of it left."
"The Bible was written by the same people who
said the Earth was flat."
"If you can remain calm, you just don't have all the facts."
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no real fireworks this year on the Strip except possibly a little something
from the LV Hilton after dark....
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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
Jigger Woodruff
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:33 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] fireworks?
Okay, we are finally gonna do it. We will be in Vegas for the 4th this
year - in spite of the crowds, heat, and the fact that we have a waterfront
place on Lake Pend Oreille in Idaho. of course, it will be 85 degrees this
year on the 4th - it usually rains sideways!
The wife really wants to see the fireworks. There will be plenty of
fireworks if i haul her away from the lake and she doesn't see any
fireworks - if you catch my drift!
Where? When? How? Don't know the best place to watch, but thought about
the Voodoo Lounge? Are they gonna be Wednesday? time?
We could just lay on a bus bench for most of the evening and look up - but
the way I dress i might get carted off to jail.
Thanks!
Royals to all who respond....(-;
Jigger W.
"I married my wife for her looks...
but not the ones she's been giving me lately! "
"Everyone has a photographic memory, some just don't have film."
"If carrots are so good for the eyes, how come
I see so many dead rabbits on the highway?"
"My mind not only wanders, sometimes it leaves completely."
"I finally got my head together, and my body fell apart."
"I started out with nothing & still have most
of it left."
"The Bible was written by the same people who
said the Earth was flat."
"If you can remain calm, you just don't have all the facts."
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of fireworks if i haul her away from the lake and she doesn't see any
fireworks - if you catch my drift!
Jigs,
You want to see fireworks? How about inviting Dancer and Boyd to lunch.
Maybe toss in a few of their supporters too. That might work.
Don
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@...> wrote:
The wife really wants to see the fireworks. There will be plenty
lunch. Maybe toss in a few of their supporters too. That might work.
Hey Don,
I think we have potential pay-per-view material here. How about two
out of three, UFC style??
You and I could be partners...D&D Enterprises...no arguing about whose
name comes first...they have a venue at the Palms we may be able to
use...wonder if I can use my points to rent the joint? No, the Joint
is at the Hard Rock...I mean rent the ring...Live audience gets in
free if they act as if they really care who wins...
Don the Dentist
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "donald_forsythe" <DonBoats@...> wrote:
You want to see fireworks? How about inviting Dancer and Boyd to
Okay, we are finally gonna do it. We will be in Vegas for the 4th
this year - in spite of the crowds, heat, and the fact that we have a
waterfront place on Lake Pend Oreille in Idaho. of course, it will be
85 degrees this year on the 4th - it usually rains sideways!
The wife really wants to see the fireworks. There will be plenty
of fireworks if i haul her away from the lake and she doesn't see any
fireworks - if you catch my drift!
Where? When? How? Don't know the best place to watch, but thought
about the Voodoo Lounge? Are they gonna be Wednesday? time?
We were there last year and the only fireworks we saw were when the
LVPD shot a guy outside of our hotel - Barbary Coast. We had a very
hard time making it back from Wynn because the strip was lined with
people waiting for a fireworks display. We were aware that there would
be none, but it didn't make it any easier for us to get through the
crowd. When we got back to the BC we played for awhile and then my DH
tried to go outside to see if there were any visible displays. He was
blocked by security because there had been a shooting and traffic
accident at the corner of Flamingo and the strip. It turned out that
there was a guy playing his music too loudly in his car and a LV
bicycle cop asked him to lower it. He refused and the cop reached in
the car to lower the volume himself. At this point the drive gunned it
with the cop's arm in his car. He hit a cab that saw the whole
incident and blocked him. The driver's airbag inflated causing
a "bang" that the cop's partner mistook for a shot fired. He shot the
driver killing him.
Stick with the fireworks in your room!
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@...> wrote:
Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@...> wrote:
We were there last year and the only fireworks we saw were when the
LVPD shot a guy outside of our hotel - Barbary Coast.
We were there for this incident, too. We were staying at the Flamingo and coming back from the Strat, and got caught in all the traffic.
We had dinner at Top of the World on the 4th. We could see lots of fireworks all over town. A different perspective from the usual fireworks display. You just had to look out, and you could see them popping all over town.
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The Fitz is a funny place - they prohibited me from entering a Keno Tourney due taking 1st place in Aug 2004 on my second buy in due opportunistic play (in English noticed biggest winner thus far was only about $2700 and decided to rebuy, played 1/8, 4/7, 8/6, 12/5 at 40 cents a way at their 40 cent truly special rate (house edge <15%) and hit 2-1-1-1-1 our of 2-2-1-1-1-1 for a solid 6 and 4 solid fives for about $2800 to take 1st). They still advertise their tourneys on their website without mentioning that tghey can exclude palyers because they win.
Hello Gang...Some of you may remember me from my past Starhunter
Surprise Trip reports....Well Im back and promise to post a most
interesting report upon my return from LV.....However I wanted to
report than with 5 minutes of my arrival at Fitzgeralds I was stopped
and detained by Security for suspicious behavior.....Have you ever
heard of someone getting stopped and questioned/detained
happening?....Also is it true in Las Vegas that you must show ID upon
demand by casino security...Thanks for your response
Casino security staff have no right to force patrons to show ID. If
you refuse, they have a legal right to eject you from the premises.
If a casino security officer asks to "speak to you in private"
immediately head for the nearest exit. If they try to physically
restrain you, inform them that you are attempting to leave the
premises and they are kidnapping you. If they continue to detain you
against your will, do not physically resist as they can then try to
pin a bogus "disorderly conduct" charge on you. Try to remain calm
and mentally note details on all staff involved with your involuntary
detention...you'll need this for your future civil suit.
I would advise ALL knowledgeable players to read this book:
http://tinyurl.com/yocfuo
I also advise ALL knowledgeable players to program this number in
his/her cell phone: (702) 385-5454. The number is for Bob Nersesian,
an attorney who has represented numerous skilled players in cases
against casinos. Don't think that just because you aren't cheating,
or breaking any laws, that you can't be detained against your will.
Ask any skilled BJ player that's been around for a while and I'm sure
you'll get some enlightening responses about how casino management
handles players who they perceive to be a threat to their bottom
line.
···
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