My wife and I often debate vp strategy (she likes to use intuition
and/or the machines' "karma") and just what is the long term. I
guess that when it comes to dealt royals, the long term is probably
is the millions of hands............I have played vp for about 7
years and never had one after several million hands (best
guesstimate) and then had 2 in the course of 2 months. One on a .50
triple play and the second on a $1 single line. A sweet way to end
2003!! Good luck to all in 2004, and hopes for a dealt royal to
everybody!
PapaPete
dealt royals
Congratulations on the 2 dealt royals. We frequent Windsor and I got a dealt
royal on a ddb machine about a month ago ($.25) and a Royal yesterday on a
redeal on a $.50......................Happy way to start the year and we are
heading for Vegas on Friday for a week...........Can't wait..............
Hope the luck holds for me and for all the group!
mj
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From: "pmalench" <papapete57@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 8:43 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] dealt royals
My wife and I often debate vp strategy (she likes to use intuition
and/or the machines' "karma") and just what is the long term. I
guess that when it comes to dealt royals, the long term is probably
is the millions of hands............I have played vp for about 7
years and never had one after several million hands (best
guesstimate) and then had 2 in the course of 2 months. One on a .50
triple play and the second on a $1 single line. A sweet way to end
2003!! Good luck to all in 2004, and hopes for a dealt royal to
everybody!
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Hi Pete,
Congrats on those dealt royals. I did a lot of playing before
getting a dealt royal for the first time. It happened at the Gold
Coast in Las Vegas. I bowled in a league there on Thursday nights,
and I usually went to the casino about an hour early to play quarter
DB triple play for a while. I would play until 8:30, and then go up
to the bowling center to get my equipment out and prepare for my
league. On this particular night, I looked at my watch, and saw that
it was 8:28, so I had just a couple of minutes left. Two hands
later, I was dealt J-Q-K-10-A in diamonds, for $3000. My first
reaction? "S**t, now I'm gonna miss the first game!"
Regards,
Perry
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pmalench" <papapete57@h...> wrote:
My wife and I often debate vp strategy (she likes to use intuition
and/or the machines' "karma") and just what is the long term. I
guess that when it comes to dealt royals, the long term is probably
is the millions of hands............I have played vp for about 7
years and never had one after several million hands (best
guesstimate) and then had 2 in the course of 2 months. One on a .50
triple play and the second on a $1 single line. A sweet way to end
2003!! Good luck to all in 2004, and hopes for a dealt royal to
everybody!
PapaPete
I guess that when it comes to dealt royals, the long term is
probably is the millions of hands............PapaPete<<
The odds are 1 in 649,740 for all games except Joker Poker (1 in
717,421). These odds are about 4 times better than getting a
Reversible RF. Congratulations ... you definitely beat the odds!
I got my first in 20 years at the Mohegan Sun, last
month. It was on the redeal, playing Dueces Wild
Bonus.
Dan
I have played vp for about 7
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--- pmalench <papapete57@hotmail.com> wrote:
years and never had one after several million hands
(best
guesstimate) and then had 2 in the course of 2
months. One on a .50
triple play and the second on a $1 single line. A
sweet way to end
2003!! Good luck to all in 2004, and hopes for a
dealt royal to
everybody!
PapaPete
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Being dealt the royal on a re-deal is slightly more favorable than
on your initial draw. Remember, the deck is less 5 cards.
TBFlorida
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Dan Elmore <zelmo41@y...> wrote:
I got my first in 20 years at the Mohegan Sun, last
month. It was on the redeal, playing Dueces Wild
Bonus.Dan
> I got my first in 20 years at the Mohegan Sun, last
> month. It was on the redeal, playing Dueces Wild
> Bonus.
> Dan
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "lizurdlips" <lizurdlips@y...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Dan Elmore <zelmo41@y...> wrote:
****************************
Being dealt the royal on a re-deal is slightly more favorable than
on your initial draw. Remember, the deck is less 5 cards.TBFlorida
****************************
"Slightly more favorable" only as a conditional probability. To get
a royal on a re-deal, you have to throw away your first 5 cards
which may or may not contained an A,K,Q,J,or T. This depends on the
game you play as you tend to throw away more hands in Deuces Wild
type games than in JoB type games.
L.Wluiki
Since the value(in money won) of the various poker hands is directly
related to their comparative frequency, I've always felt that a dealt
royal(or dealt fullhouse, etc.) should be worth MORE than
one "constructed" from hitting "deal/draw(again)". Afterall, a dealt
ANYTHING(one 5-card hand gets it for you) is definitely rarer than
that same hand "constructed" from more than 5 cards.
Thus I've always wondered why _dealt_ winning hands aren't worth
more. Other than that the casinos just don't _want__to_ pay more(for
them), that is.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pmalench" <papapete57@h...> wrote:
My wife and I often debate vp strategy (she likes to use intuition
and/or the machines' "karma") and just what is the long term. I
guess that when it comes to dealt royals, the long term is probably
is the millions of hands............I have played vp for about 7
years and never had one after several million hands (best
guesstimate) and then had 2 in the course of 2 months. One on a .50
triple play and the second on a $1 single line. A sweet way to end
2003!! Good luck to all in 2004, and hopes for a dealt royal to
everybody!
PapaPete
My wife and I play alot of Dueces wild and she is always exasperated when she gets a natural 4 of a kind, and usually says 'they should pay more', then I remind her that if naturals paid more then something else would have to pay less. Otherwise I vote everyting should pay lots more.....
> My wife and I often debate vp strategy (she likes to use intuition
> and/or the machines' "karma") and just what is the long term. I
> guess that when it comes to dealt royals, the long term is probably
> is the millions of hands............I have played vp for about 7
> years and never had one after several million hands (best
> guesstimate) and then had 2 in the course of 2 months. One on a .50
> triple play and the second on a $1 single line. A sweet way to end
> 2003!! Good luck to all in 2004, and hopes for a dealt royal to
> everybody!
> PapaPete
Since the value(in money won) of the various poker hands is directly
related to their comparative frequency, I've always felt that a dealt
royal(or dealt fullhouse, etc.) should be worth MORE than
one "constructed" from hitting "deal/draw(again)". Afterall, a dealt
ANYTHING(one 5-card hand gets it for you) is definitely rarer than
that same hand "constructed" from more than 5 cards.
Thus I've always wondered why _dealt_ winning hands aren't worth
more. Other than that the casinos just don't _want__to_ pay more(for
them), that is.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pmalench" <papapete57@h...> wrote:
Jeff wrote:
Since the value(in money won) of the various poker hands is directly
related to their comparative frequency ...
This might seem to be the case upon first thought, but a quick
examination of Jacks or Better demonstrates otherwise:
-- A full house pays 50% more than a flush and over twice the pay on a
straight, however you expect a full house more frequently than either
of these.
And when it comes to payouts and comparative frequencies, there's a
considerable disparity between relative wins and hand frequencies.
-- Two pair is expected 11 times more often than a straight and yet
the straight only pays double a two pair.
-- A straight has approximately the same frequency of a full house. A
full house pays over twice the straight.
-- For every straight flush you can expect to hit about 21 quad, yet
the straight flush will get you only twice the payout.
I don't know this for a fact, but it would likely be the case that the
game that best achieves relative "equality for all" in terms of
payouts and length of the expected hand cycle is the aptly named All
American.
Bottom line, vp machines truly AREN'T FAIR 
- Harry