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Dealt Royal (was Palms...nice...us)

Okay, you all had a lot of questions. Here is "the rest of the story."

Yes, the jackpot amount was $100,000 - Brad was playing all 100 lines of the quarter machine. Yes, the machine locked up immediately. (Actually it was the first hand Brad played. We take turns playing when we are on these machines so we can double our watching fun - so we both saw this miracle that happened so fast we couldn't comprehend it for a few seconds. It seemed like it happened instantly - we had the machine on turbo - wonder if it would have spread over the screen slower if the turbo was off???)

How much does one tip on a jackpot like that? The answer for us is "it depends" and needs some explanation. The Palms is our "home" casino and has been since it opened - it is less than two miles from our condo. Brad is there probably 5-6 days a week, although not playing on all those days. He stops by to bring me home a Sunrise drink from the Coffee Bean or to bring home Chinese from the food court. He picks up and drops off our football contest cards and makes bets on our beloved Colts. He often stops by to play for a couple of hours on one of the progressives when I am busy in my office. We both go and play irregularly. We used to play more often and regularly when the bounce-back was higher. Now we only play when there is some promotion or offer. We play high and long when the promotion is very good. We put on limited play when the offer or promo is weaker but still over 100%.

(That latter reason was why we were playing the inferior EV 8/5 Bonus on the 100-play. We had a 4x-point coupon from a coupon book that was delivered to many local zip codes (and it could not be used on the "good" games). Since the coupon had a limit of 50k bonus points, we were planning to play only enough to max out the coupon, which would be 16,667 points. Our play would also plump up our bounce-back because it is not a higher amount if you play only what they consider "good" games.

In addition, we have also done numerous TV shoots at the Palms and they sponsored a big book-signing for "More Frugal Gambling." Therefore, most people who work there know us, many of which are on a first name basis with us. So, we probably tipped more than we would have in other casinos where we didn't know so many people personally. Brad gave $500 to the change girl who brought his check. That will be shared with all the change people. Then we started passing out $20 bills to everyone who was connected to the payoff: the slot mechanic who checked the machine to see if the jackpot was "valid" (he isn't allowed to take tips but he couldn't help it if we stuffed a bill in his shirt pocket); the security guy who stood by the whole hour it took to finally get paid; all the change people who came around to congratulate us; the porter; the cocktail waitress that brought us champagne; and the two camera people (yes, our picture will be up on the slot club wall). Then I went back and passed out bills at the salon where Brad and I had just had our nails done. Time we finish taking care of our friends on the Palms staff that we will see later, I imagine it will take about $1000 total to express our thanks.

I'll post a photo when I get one from the Palms.

And I'll answer more of your questions later.

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Jean Scott <queenofcomps@cox.net> wrote: Okay, you all had a lot of questions. Here is "the rest of the story."

Then I went back and passed out bills at the salon where Brad and I had just had our nails done. Time we finish taking care of our friends on the Palms staff that we will see later, I imagine it will take about $1000 total to express our thanks.

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  Besides myself, I can't imagine anyone who is more deserving of this! Jean has taken shots from all sides for crap I can't even believe, and yet she still continues to help anyone that asks. Many years ago she helped my wife and I get started, and I know we are not alone.
   
  If it is true that good things happen to good people this is no surprise! It might also explain the constant losing streaks I seem to endure....(-;
   
  Oh yeah, one question Jean. Brad has his nails done? In a salon? Does he know you told 7000 people this? When I try on my wife's underwear I am very careful to try and keep it a secret.........
   
  Congratulations!
   
  Steve Kent
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"They told me I was gullible, and I believed them."

"Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when
he grows up, he'll never be able to merge his car onto a freeway."

"Two can live as cheaply as one, for half as long."

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

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story."

so we both saw this miracle that happened so fast we couldn't
comprehend it for a few seconds. It seemed like it happened instantly -
we had the machine on turbo - wonder if it would have spread over the
screen slower if the turbo was off???)

If the machine is not set to turbo they will spread slow, much slower,
than the set deal speed....at least they did for me on a nickel 100play
a couple years ago. :wink:

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:

Okay, you all had a lot of questions. Here is "the rest of the

Okay, you all had a lot of questions. Here is "the rest of the

story."

Yes, the jackpot amount was $100,000 - Brad was playing all 100 lines

of the quarter machine.

Congratulations on a great win, and the interesting question on how
much to tip. My wife has given a lot of thought on what to do if we
won the Megabucks (which will never happen since we rarely play). It's
just that we heard a story about a Megabucks winner at Palace
Station who didn't tip anyone ... for a win of about 34 million. If we
were ever that lucky there would be a lot of big tips passed out. The
employees in casinos deserve a piece of a lucky result IMHO. These are
not high payed employees, and the working conditions aren't that great
either.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:

Jigger Woodruff said some nice things about us. Thank you SO MUCH, Steve.

And Brad says he remembers a time when he wouldn't have even thought about getting his nails done in a salon, but he is more secure about his manhood now that he is old!!!!!! :slight_smile:

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________________
Jean $�ott
The much-expanded new edition of my tax book,
including a new chapter on poker, is now available
to order at my Web site, http://queenofcomps.com/.

Okay, you all had a lot of questions. Here is "the rest of the

story."

Yes, the jackpot amount was $100,000 - Brad was playing all 100

lines of the quarter machine. Yes, the machine locked up
immediately. (Actually it was the first hand Brad played. We take
turns playing when we are on these machines so we can double our
watching fun - so we both saw this miracle that happened so fast we
couldn't comprehend it for a few seconds. It seemed like it happened
instantly - we had the machine on turbo - wonder if it would have
spread over the screen slower if the turbo was off???)

________________
Jean $¢ott
The much-expanded new edition of my tax book,
including a new chapter on poker, is now available
to order at my Web site, http://queenofcomps.com/.

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gilbert wrote:
Congratulations!!! Jean and Brad -- nice early X'mas present!

So that's the secret of winning BIG in vp!?
Partnership of 1 guru/teacher/tutor and 1 lucky person as in:
Bob Dancer and Shirley
Jean Scott and Brad

Who's next?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:

Okay, you all had a lot of questions. Here is "the rest of the

story."

Yes, the jackpot amount was $100,000 - Brad was playing all 100

lines of the quarter machine. Yes, the machine locked up
immediately. (Actually it was the first hand Brad played. We take

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:
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Wow! Congratulations Jean!

What a weird coincidence that JUST I found this board. A few days
ago I told my wife the story of you hitting a dealt royal on a triple
play at the Orleans quite a while ago.

You probably don't remember me . . . we only met once. I was a
member of Skip's first VP board (I think there were maybe 20 of us at
first). I read about your triple play dealt royal and "dancing in
aisles" on a later version of Skip's VP board.

Many years ago on a New Year's day I was playing a 10/7 machine at
Four Queens when it hit me that the lady playing next to me might be
Jean Scott. Turns out it was you. I remember you were very friendly
and sold me one of Skip's new strategy cards. Brad was playing
across from us and I think you were playing for comps for visiting
relatives. I hit a royal while we were playing. That was a fun
day.

You, Skip and many of the fine VP poster taught me much . . . thank
you.

I got married seven years ago and tried to introduce VP to my wife,
but the volatility didn't suit her and we stopped playing VP (for the
most part) and now only visit LV on rare occasions.

We just returned from a trip to LV and I actually convinced my wife
to play some VP (again). She hit four aces on DB, four times in
about six hours of play. She had fun and it was then I told her of
your dealt royal on triple play. And I thought that was something
special! I bet you've had more since, but now I hear of a dealt 100
play . . . Wow!

I'm glad to see some of the familiar names are still posting. I'm so
glad I found this site. I plan to check in from time to time and see
what's happening in VP land . . . it's amazing how much the full-pay
landscape has changed since I was an active player. I HOPE to drag
my wife to LV a little more often and get her to play a little VP
from time to time. (She doesn't like losing money--even winnings--so
any kind of significant losing streak and we'll be out of commission
for a few more years)

Good luck to you and all the VP players.

mianmike2 wrote:

I got married seven years ago and tried to introduce VP to my wife,
but the volatility didn't suit her and we stopped playing VP (for
the most part) and now only visit LV on rare occasions.

I'll offer up a bit of related experience. In our case my wife had
ZERO interest in gambling initially and saw it as a surefire losing
proposition. $100 lost was $100 very ill spent.

The first step was to gain Bev's confidence that intellectually I
understood the game inside and out and had done my homework
thoroughly. On that front I gained complete credibility and
ultimately instilled the basic concepts in her so that she "got" the
whole game.

The second step was a greater challenge -- setting aside an adequate
bankroll for play that in ALL respects we would consider "play" money.
We wouldn't mindlessly shrug off losses, but would take them in
stride as to be expected (and try to steel ourselves for them
adequately, both being very fiscally conservative). The agreement was
that if the bankroll was depleted we would quit the game for good.

This was challenging for two reasons:

Short of consistent play opportunities with a 1%+ edge, the oft cited
bankroll guideline of 3-5 royals is unrealistic. Loosely speaking,
8-10 might be more practical, and even that can be tight, depending
upon variance of the plays involved and how thin the edge. Coming to
grips with a cash set aside of that magnitude, even on initial quarter
play, was difficult initially. (If you contemplate largely near
breakeven "recreational" play, I advise against it. In your
circumstance, the downside volatility in absence of a steady positive
advantage, is prone to unappetizing cumulative loss.)

The second challenge was a greater hurdle: Satisfying Bev that I
wouldn't become so hooked on play that, should the bankroll be
exhausted, I'd compulsively pouring funds into it to continue (likely
behind her back ... not that there was a precedent). My upfront
eagerness was a bit too strong for her taste. (I won't delve into
details on how this was surmounted :wink:

I've been an active player for about 8 years now. After about three,
Bev caught the bug, reinforced by the comp angle, and has been quite
serious in refining her play -- anxious that we both optimize our
bankroll. In all truthfulness, she's now the greater risk taker :wink:

- Harry

gilbert_616 <gilbert_616@yahoo.com> wrote: Congratulations!!! Jean and Brad -- nice early X'mas present!

So that's the secret of winning BIG in vp!?
Partnership of 1 guru/teacher/tutor and 1 lucky person as in:
Bob Dancer and Shirley
Jean Scott and Brad

Who's next?

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  Well, I vote for Jigger and...umm, let's see, damn. Was it Bambi? I'll have to get back on the Strip and get another of her cards from the nice man. Either way, she can find me within 30 minutes, according to her business card.
   
  Jigger
  "Love means never having to say, "Does that twenty include the spanking?"

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Sounds like a line from Firesign Theatre?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

My upfront
eagerness was a bit too strong for her taste. (I won't delve into
details on how this was surmounted :wink:

Okay, you all had a lot of questions. Here is "the rest of the

story."

(That latter reason was why we were playing the inferior EV 8/5

Bonus on the 100-play. We had a 4x-point coupon from a coupon book
that was delivered to many local zip codes (and it could not be used
on the "good" games). Since the coupon had a limit of 50k bonus
points, we were planning to play only enough to max out the coupon,
which would be 16,667 points. Our play would also plump up our
bounce-back because it is not a higher amount if you play only what
they consider "good" games.

Jean,

Not being a local and having never played at the Palms, what do they
consider to be the "good" games? Is 9/6 JoB considered to be
a "good" game and not eligible for this promo?

Just wondering why the 8/5 Bonus quarter 100 game multiplay was a
better play for this promo than the $25 9/6 JoB that's also listed in
the database.

I understand that given the choice between $25 9/6 JoB and 100 play
$.25 9/6 JoB that the 100 play is normally the way to go. But in
this case the games weren't the same.

Do the multiplay fractional paybacks (of the $125 bet) make up for
the decreased expected value or was the JoB machine just not eligible
for the promo?

Bill

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...>
wrote:

I've been an active player for about 8 years now. After about

three,

Bev caught the bug, reinforced by the comp angle, and has been quite
serious in refining her play -- anxious that we both optimize our
bankroll. In all truthfulness, she's now the greater risk taker :wink:

- Harry

I appreciate the reply . . . it's good to hear a success story. I
hope to have the same success and no doubt with some of the same
hurdles to overcome.

Fortunately (or unfortunately depending on your view) my wife is in
accounting and therefore is very good with numbers. She picked up
the DB strategy amazingly fast . . . penalty cards and all. Things
got off great on our honeymoon, she hit her first royal, but it also
turned out to be her last royal . . . things had been downhill ever
since. We hit a losing streak unlike anything I have ever
experienced. I knew the odds and bankroll requirements and was not
overly concerned. She on the other hand intellectually knew the
odds, but emotionally felt things could get really ugly. I sensed
her unease and decided to stop playing VP as it was very stressful
for her. We took almost three years off before our last trip to LV.
The trip was a lot of fun. I hope this is the springboard for us to
ease back into a few trips to LV over the next few years.

On this latest trip we stayed at CP . . . played a little, won a
little and had a great time. (Would have done quite well if they had
any decent VP) Although we hadn't been to LV for quite some time I
was surprised that Caesars comped us upfront three nights and charged
$105 for the fourth night…..not bad. We saw the Phantom which we
enjoyed, then "Love" which was a little weird for us, but being a
huge Beatle fan I enjoyed it, and then we saw Jubilee……what a
mistake…….I knew there were topless girls in the show, but had no
idea they were the centerpiece. My wife was not amused and I spent
the rest of the trip begging forgiveness. She's not a prude, but
topless women are not her idea of entertainment. We really like
staying at Caesars, and plan to stay there in the future but can't
see playing there enough for comped rooms……figure we'll pay rack rate
and eat the cost and play full-pay elsewhere. We "earned" back our
diamond status doing the diamond in a day thing (3,000 points in one
day 6:00am to 6:00am).
  
I'm ready to go back to LV next week . . . my wife on the other hand
won't be ready for at least another six or more months. :0(

mianmike2 <mianmike@qwest.net> wrote: I'm ready to go back to LV next week . . . my wife on the other hand
won't be ready for at least another six or more months. :0(

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  Like you, I could go every week as well. Now I am able to get a pass and just go alone, and we both love it. she gets to putter around the house, I get to do the three things I enjoy the most - ride a mountain bike in the desert, drink beer, and play video poker. Absence does make the heart grow fonder......
   
  Jigger
    "My anger management class pisses me off"

"You can"t drink all day if you don't start in the morning"

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I always thought the quote was "Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder."

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On Nov 29, 2007 8:33 AM, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@yahoo.com> wrote:

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Like you, I could go every week as well. Now I am able to get a pass and
just go alone, and we both love it. she gets to putter around the house, I
get to do the three things I enjoy the most - ride a mountain bike in the
desert, drink beer, and play video poker. Absence does make the heart grow
fonder......

Jigger
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"You can"t drink all day if you don't start in the morning"

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That may be, but my wife's interpretation is Abstinence........etc.

gmblnmn <nktalbrch@gmail.com> wrote: I always thought the quote was "Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder."

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On Nov 29, 2007 8:33 AM, Jigger Woodruff wrote:

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Like you, I could go every week as well. Now I am able to get a pass and
just go alone, and we both love it. she gets to putter around the house, I
get to do the three things I enjoy the most - ride a mountain bike in the
desert, drink beer, and play video poker. Absence does make the heart grow
fonder......

Jigger
"My anger management class pisses me off"

"You can"t drink all day if you don't start in the morning"

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As in "...Thou shalt fast and abstain on the days appointed..."?

A quote stuck in my brain from my 2nd grade Catholic School catechism....<smile>.

..... bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@...> wrote:

That may be, but my wife's interpretation is Abstinence........etc.

I always thought the quote was "Absinthe makes the heart grow

fonder."

Actually, that quote is:

"Absinthe makes the hardcore founder."

Neil

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, gmblnmn <nktalbrch@...> wrote:

Harry Porter wrote:

> My upfront
> eagerness was a bit too strong for her taste. (I won't delve into
> details on how this was surmounted :wink:

nightoftheiguana2000 wrote:

Sounds like a line from Firesign Theatre?

I've been stretching for material lately ...

- H.

<<Not being a local and having never played at the Palms, what do they
consider to be the "good" games? Is 9/6 JoB considered to be
a "good" game and not eligible for this promo?>>

Correct!!!! That's why we were playing 8/5 Bonus.

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________________
Jean $�ott
The much-expanded new edition of my tax book,
including a new chapter on poker, is now available
to order at my Web site, http://queenofcomps.com/.

Harry

A very good plan you laid out.

In my case my $$ are mine and hers are hers. We don't keep tabs on
each other and we seem to have a system that's worked for over 40
years.

However, gambling is different. My playing bank is mine and her
playing bank is funded by me. When she wins the profit is hers. When
she loses her next trip bank is filled up by me. You might say SHE
has a can't lose system. One thing we have always done for years;
all royals are shared at 75% for the hitter and 25% for the other.
Therefore, if one gets wacked out of their bankroll for the trip
the other is most likely to hit something to keep the other going.
Of course, there are trips when we both bankrupt our trip bankroll.

Cheers...Jeep
.
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.--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...>
wrote:

I'll offer up a bit of related experience. In our case my wife

had

ZERO interest in gambling initially and saw it as a surefire losing
proposition. $100 lost was $100 very ill spent.

The first step was to gain Bev's confidence that intellectually I
understood the game inside and out and had done my homework
thoroughly. On that front I gained complete credibility and
ultimately instilled the basic concepts in her so that she "got"

the

whole game.

The second step was a greater challenge -- setting aside an

adequate

bankroll for play that in ALL respects we would consider "play"

money.

We wouldn't mindlessly shrug off losses, but would take them in
stride as to be expected (and try to steel ourselves for them
adequately, both being very fiscally conservative). The agreement

was

that if the bankroll was depleted we would quit the game for

good.

This was challenging for two reasons:

Short of consistent play opportunities with a 1%+ edge, the oft

cited

bankroll guideline of 3-5 royals is unrealistic. Loosely speaking,
8-10 might be more practical, and even that can be tight, depending
upon variance of the plays involved and how thin the edge. Coming

to

grips with a cash set aside of that magnitude, even on initial

quarter

play, was difficult initially. (If you contemplate largely near
breakeven "recreational" play, I advise against it. In your
circumstance, the downside volatility in absence of a steady

positive

advantage, is prone to unappetizing cumulative loss.)

The second challenge was a greater hurdle: Satisfying Bev that I
wouldn't become so hooked on play that, should the bankroll be
exhausted, I'd compulsively pouring funds into it to continue

(likely

behind her back ... not that there was a precedent). My upfront
eagerness was a bit too strong for her taste. (I won't delve into
details on how this was surmounted :wink:

I've been an active player for about 8 years now. After about

three,

Bev caught the bug, reinforced by the comp angle, and has been

quite

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serious in refining her play -- anxious that we both optimize our
bankroll. In all truthfulness, she's now the greater risk taker :wink:

- Harry