Hi!
Are there any opinions out there with respect to "Dealt Hand" Strategies versus "Professional;"
strategies?
Is this a topic that has been dealt with here before? I did a quick search and found nothing
on the subject being covered here.
Thanks.
..... bl
OK, I'll bite, what's a "dealt hand strategy"?
Hi!
Are there any opinions out there with respect to "Dealt Hand"
Strategies versus "Professional;"
strategies?
Is this a topic that has been dealt with here before? I did a quick
search and found nothing
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@...> wrote:
on the subject being covered here.
Thanks.
..... bl
Yes! I had not heard of this before, either. But this is verbatim:
A "Dealt Hand" strategy guide is the simplest to use of all available strategies.
Unlike a professional card, your search does not begin at the top. Rather, it is
indexed by the starting value of the dealt hands . "Winning hand strategies" or dealt
hands from Jacks or Better to Royal, are learned more quickly. Once this learning curve is
complete the card can be folded or cut in half to reveal only the NO WIN category.
A Dealt Hand strategy uses more description and is more intuitive.
..... bl
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...>
wrote:
OK, I'll bite, what's a "dealt hand strategy"?
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@> wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Are there any opinions out there with respect to "Dealt Hand"
Strategies versus "Professional;"
> strategies?
>
> Is this a topic that has been dealt with here before? I did a quick
search and found nothing
> on the subject being covered here.
>
> Thanks.
>
> ..... bl
>
A "Dealt Hand" strategy guide is the simplest to use of all available
strategies.
Ok bl, I'll bite too. Who would be the author of this simple little gem?
Nudge
From: "bornloser1537"
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Dealt Hand Strategy
Following up on my own thread ...
Looking at one of these "Dealt Hand" strategies, it appears to me that it is made up of 2
main sections.
The first section appears to list "dealt winners", together with recommendations of when
and where one should "break up" a specific dealt winner, in a quest for a bigger win, like,
for example in JOB, breaking up a dealt flush, if it includes 4 cards to the royal).
The second section seems to be a listing that deals with classes of "non winners". These
are listed in order of decreasing calculated EV (ER?...I always get these mixed up).
In some ways it seems, to me anyway, to resemble a Skip Hughes strategy card that has a
listing of "NO BRAINERS" at the top, above the normal list.
.....bl
Yes! I had not heard of this before, either. But this is verbatim:
A "Dealt Hand" strategy guide is the simplest to use of all available strategies.
Unlike a professional card, your search does not begin at the top. Rather, it is
indexed by the starting value of the dealt hands . "Winning hand strategies" or dealt
hands from Jacks or Better to Royal, are learned more quickly. Once this learning curve
is
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@...> wrote:
complete the card can be folded or cut in half to reveal only the NO WIN category.
A Dealt Hand strategy uses more description and is more intuitive...... bl
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@>
wrote:
>
> OK, I'll bite, what's a "dealt hand strategy"?
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > Are there any opinions out there with respect to "Dealt Hand"
> Strategies versus "Professional;"
> > strategies?
> >
> > Is this a topic that has been dealt with here before? I did a quick
> search and found nothing
> > on the subject being covered here.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > ..... bl
> >
>
Sorry, doesn't make any sense to me. The "winning hand strategies" is
the same as the "paytable" which is prominently displayed on older
machines, newer machines require going through some touch screen
options to display this information, which by the way is required by
law. I assume, for example, that 9/6 Jacks or Better looks like this:
Royal Flush: 800 coins
Straight Flush: 50 coins
Quads: 25 coins
Full House: 9 coins
Flush: 6 coins
Straight: 4 coins
Trips: 3 coins
Two pair: 2 coins
Pair of Jacks or Better: 1 coin
Then the "non-paying" hands are a printout of VPSM without the paying
hands:
18.4255 4 Royal
3.4282 4 STFL, Open, 2345s-9TJQs
2.2307 4 STFL, Inside
1.3867 3 Royal
1.2646 4 Flush
0.8723 TJQK
0.8237 Low Pair 22-TT
...
Is there really value in separating the paying hands from the
non-paying hands?
The term "professional strategy" is kind of ambiguous, but Dancer
publishes a set of strategies that he calls "professional" so I guess
that is a reference to published Dancer strategies which are mostly
max-EV strategies.
There is an FAQ on strategies:
http://members.cox.net/vpfree/FAQ_S.htm
Yes! I had not heard of this before, either. But this is verbatim:
A "Dealt Hand" strategy guide is the simplest to use of all
available strategies.
Unlike a professional card, your search does not begin at the top.
Rather, it is
indexed by the starting value of the dealt hands . "Winning hand
strategies" or dealt
hands from Jacks or Better to Royal, are learned more quickly. Once
this learning curve is
complete the card can be folded or cut in half to reveal only the NO
WIN category.
A Dealt Hand strategy uses more description and is more intuitive.
..... bl
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@>
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@...> wrote:
wrote:
>
> OK, I'll bite, what's a "dealt hand strategy"?
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > Are there any opinions out there with respect to "Dealt Hand"
> Strategies versus "Professional;"
> > strategies?
> >
> > Is this a topic that has been dealt with here before? I did a quick
> search and found nothing
> > on the subject being covered here.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > ..... bl
> >
>
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...>
wrote:
Sorry, doesn't make any sense to me. The "winning hand strategies" is
the same as the "paytable" which is prominently displayed on older
machines, newer machines require going through some touch screen
options to display this information, which by the way is required by
law. I assume, for example, that 9/6 Jacks or Better looks like this:Royal Flush: 800 coins
Straight Flush: 50 coins
Quads: 25 coins
Full House: 9 coins
Flush: 6 coins
Straight: 4 coins
Trips: 3 coins
Two pair: 2 coins
Pair of Jacks or Better: 1 coinThen the "non-paying" hands are a printout of VPSM without the paying
hands:
18.4255 4 Royal
3.4282 4 STFL, Open, 2345s-9TJQs
2.2307 4 STFL, Inside
1.3867 3 Royal
1.2646 4 Flush
0.8723 TJQK
0.8237 Low Pair 22-TT
...
No, not really! The pay tables themselves, that you have reproduced above, say nothing
about when you should consider breaking up a dealt winning hand (as you sometimes
should do!).
I just saw them when I was searching for strategy charts for Quick Quads games. I am
neither advocating them nor dissing them. I was just asking for opinions. It might just
be that no one else has seen them.
But, thanks anyway.
..... bl
It should be obvious, but you should consider breaking up a paying
hand if you have a draw option that is better. There are different
ways to measure "better", EV is one of them and the most common, the
Kelly criterion is another.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@>
wrote:
>
> Sorry, doesn't make any sense to me. The "winning hand strategies" is
> the same as the "paytable" which is prominently displayed on older
> machines, newer machines require going through some touch screen
> options to display this information, which by the way is required by
> law. I assume, for example, that 9/6 Jacks or Better looks like this:
>
> Royal Flush: 800 coins
> Straight Flush: 50 coins
> Quads: 25 coins
> Full House: 9 coins
> Flush: 6 coins
> Straight: 4 coins
> Trips: 3 coins
> Two pair: 2 coins
> Pair of Jacks or Better: 1 coin
>
> Then the "non-paying" hands are a printout of VPSM without the paying
> hands:
>
> 18.4255 4 Royal
> 3.4282 4 STFL, Open, 2345s-9TJQs
> 2.2307 4 STFL, Inside
> 1.3867 3 Royal
> 1.2646 4 Flush
> 0.8723 TJQK
> 0.8237 Low Pair 22-TT
> ...
>No, not really! The pay tables themselves, that you have reproduced
above, say nothing
about when you should consider breaking up a dealt winning hand (as
you sometimes
should do!).
I just saw them when I was searching for strategy charts for Quick
Quads games. I am
neither advocating them nor dissing them. I was just asking for
opinions. It might just
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@...> wrote:
be that no one else has seen them.
But, thanks anyway.
..... bl
Maybe you're talking about something like Paymar's Precision Play
strategies, for example he has 11 rules for Jacks, rule number one is:
1. Never break any made pay of two pair or better, except ... Break
anything but a pat straight flush for any 4-card royal
See Paymar's Video Poker Optimum Play for details.
nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...>wrote:
Maybe you're talking about something like Paymar's Precision Play
strategies ...
Or maybe he's talking about the structure of Linda Boyd's strategies ...
Why is bl playing charades on this (rather than just telling us
EXACTLY what he saw/read and asking for clarification)?
Charades? Well, I like you too. <smile>
This does not even deserve an reply.
But, I guess this serves as one. LOL.
..... bl
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:
Why is bl playing charades on this (rather than just telling us
EXACTLY what he saw/read and asking for clarification)?
bornloser, can you define Dealt Hand Strategy. If you mean can a
person look at a paytable and be able to determine how to hold any
hand that can be dealt ? The answer is yes, absolutely. Is it the
same as a strategy that a professional uses day in and day out ?
99.999% of the time, yes. There is nothing mysterious about it. But
there is more that a professional does than simply play a machine
accurately.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@...>
wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@> wrote:
>
> Why is bl playing charades on this (rather than just telling us
> EXACTLY what he saw/read and asking for clarification)?Charades? Well, I like you too. <smile>
This does not even deserve an reply.
But, I guess this serves as one. LOL.
..... bl
Harry Porter wrote:
> Why is bl playing charades on this (rather than just telling us
> EXACTLY what he saw/read and asking for clarification)?
bornloser1537 wrote:
Charades? Well, I like you too. <smile>
This does not even deserve an reply.
But, I guess this serves as one. LOL.
No question, I was being a little blunt (but no disrespect was intended).
You ask a few times about "Dealt Hand" strategies. Now, I don't have
much of a clue what you're asking about. It's my guess that no one
else here does either. People seem to have made a few intelligent
stabs in the dark, but I don't see that you've latched onto any reply
with, "yeah, that's what I'm talking about".
Concerning "Dealt Hand" strategies, what you came forward with was:
Yes! I had not heard of this before, either. But this is verbatim:
A "Dealt Hand" strategy guide is the simplest to use of all
available strategies.
Unlike a professional card, your search does not begin at the top.
Rather, it is indexed by the starting value of the dealt hands ...
You follow with:
I just saw them when I was searching for strategy charts for Quick
Quads games. I am neither advocating them nor dissing them. I was
just asking for opinions. It might just be that no one else has
seen them.
My only real comment is that the best way to get feedback on what
you've seen would be to refer people directly to what you've seen.
It's my guess that from what you've offered up alone, people don't
have enough to offer the requested "opinion".
- H.